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SO worried about sister in law

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Shoegal27 · 14/02/2012 14:26

I am a regular user of this site but have signed up again due to the sensitive nature of my topic, I appreciate anyone who is reading this because I am agonising over what to do/what not to do.

To give you some history, both my husband and my sister in law grew up with their mother suffering from mental illness (amongst other things) in and out of hospital for most of their childhood, their father going in and out of their lives and not really being around and being brought up mainly by their grandparents, so never really having any stability or self worth. When SIL was a child she was raped by their step father, this only came to light when she was about 17 when she felt brave enough to speak up. She was pregnant twice and had terminations both times. She then went into a physciatric hospital some months later as she was self harming quite badly and also tried to kill herself. When SIL was only 18 their mum died, she died tragically & suddenly when she went missing from hospital. I don't say any of this light heartedly, they have had a very sad and hard life.

However SIL has done so well for herself and we have helped her to get her own flat, furnish it and help her to live her own life, she has friends and she has family who love her. Suffice to say that step father is no longer around. However about a year ago she met a chap and I encouraged her to be brave and go out on a date when he asked her. Shortly after they became a couple (first relationship understadably) and she seemed so happy, until one day when she found out he had cheated on her. She gave him a second chance and so did her family, knowing that if she was happy and he could prove that he could be good to her then that was all that mattered. However husband and I think she is in a destructive relationship which is no good for her. I find her boyfriend intinimadating and once DH went to the football with him and he was very aggressive towards other people. I have heard him talking in such a derogetory manner and mentioned it to DH a couple of times. I also know that when their mum died she and DH had some of her life insurance money, DH put his into our house, SIL (now 21) was planning to use it to go to University but instead has spent it, on him, going out, drinks, clothes, pub etc. When they got together he wasn't working and she funded his lifestyle, up until recently he was working but I understand he had a disagreement with his manager and so walked out...he's now looking for work. She's recently started to confide in me about some of the things he does. She is very upset as he asks for her money, says he will pay her back and doesn't, she is getting into debt because of him. He gave her £100 recently to 'pay her back' but I well know he had £7.5K which is now gone. This £100 seems to redeem him in her eyes. What concerns me most of all is that she tells me all the time that she doesn't want to be with him forever, she cringes when I she talks about possible marriage, apparently he has suggested it and is horrified by the idea. She has also said this to other members of her family and is always asking for their advice. In the last month they have been 'on a break' twice which only lasted a weekend. The last time, she came to see me in a state. It turns out that she woke up in the middle of the night she woke up and he was having sex with her, she told him to stop and he did. He claims her was 'sleep walking', what a load of tosh, I'm not being funny but that is the lamest excuse ever. Due to her past they don't have sex, she has a lot of emotional baggage and they did it once but it brought everything back so she's going for counciling to help her feel more able to be intimate with someone, he does not understand this. She was in a complete state about it when she first told me but now she seems to have brushed it under the carpet.

I told my husband and he was on the verge of tears, he was angry but remained calm. I spoke to my mum about it and she was great, she said all I can do is keep supporting her. I however feel like she is in a destructive relationship and worry A LOT about what goes on behind closed doors. So I called the samaritans because I've been so worried and don't know what to do. They can't advise but after the call I had a cleaner head, called her and invited her to stay the weekend. I want her to remember that she has other people in her life. She is getting further and further away from us, when we invite her she can't come because she's with him. At Christmas for example I practically had to twist her arm. When we were all at their grandparents house their gran said "oh it's been so long since I've seen you", you know she's a little old lady, it's what they say, but he got really defensive and jumped down grans throat and said "no it hasn't, it's only been 3 weeks".

Last week I confided in her Aunt and told her everything, she is also worried but neither of us know what to do. She's pretty much left the ball in my court since SIL is the one talking to me. I just feel like if I don't say anything that she could be in a very bad relationship and he could be doing all sorts to her and what if it comes out further down the line that I knew and I could have done something about it, I'd never forgive myself if anything happened to her. Then again what happens if I say something to her family and it pushes her further away or she never talks to me again because she told me in confidence. Maybe I should just be there to listen to her and support her, it's just that I hardly get to see her anymore (because of him), so it's harder to support her. I'm thinking about all of this almost constantly now and I just want to help her. Maybe I'm over reacting and actually I'm adding 3 + 3 and coming up with 27.

Any advice would be welcome because I just don't know what to do.

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Lueji · 14/02/2012 14:42

I suppose that all you can do is to be there for her and let her know that you will support her when she wants to leave. :(

ChitChatFlyingby · 14/02/2012 15:27

Oh your poor SIL!

Be there for her, and perhaps next time they break up 'for the weekend' do what you can to get her to your house where he can't reach her. If she's with people she cares and trusts, she might be less likely to go back to him straight away, and the longer she stays away from him the more likely she is to stay broken up.

ImperialBlether · 14/02/2012 18:33

In your position I'd want to stage an intervention - just swoop in through a window and lift her up to safety.

Why don't you suggest she stays with you for a while? Would you be able and willing to do that? Does he live with her?

The thought of her being raped by her step father and then waking to find that bastard having sex with her is enough to make anyone feel ill. The poor woman is in serious need of help.

izzyizin · 14/02/2012 18:40

Has this man moved into your sil's flat and is the property in her sole name? Is she working?

You've said that she's having counselling - does she have any additional support from a mental health service or other agency?

Shoegal27 · 15/02/2012 18:42

The trouble is, what if we're wrong? She has said to us and other family members on numerous occassions that she's unhappy BUT then she'll turn around and say that they've sorted their problems out and everything is ok - I don't want to push her away by "butting in". Other family are worried but not as worried as us because they don't know everything. My dilemna is whether to tell them.

She lives in a council property, she moved there when she came out of hospital around the time her mum died. Her mum was in a council property and so she was effectively homeless and out of a psych hospital. This is another concern, this boyfriend stays there quite a bit and I keep telling her it's not allowed and she could lose her home. She says she knows and she's going to stay at his more often (he lives at home with his parents). She told me about two weeks ago that he wasn't staying over as much anymore but when we went to drop her home one day the blinds were shut and she wouldn't let us in. She's not working either, although she's job hunting, her problem is that she's been out of work so long because of all of her troubles she's having a hard time getting back in. We keep encouraging her and I recently sent her some info about modern aprenticeships and she's looking into it. We keep saying how good she'll feel having some new friends and some things to do every day. She had an interview on Wednesday but didn't get the job. When she was job hunting a few weeks back she told me that the bf was very unsympathetic to her not being able to find work.

As I'm writing all of this I know how horrible he sounds but I can't help but feel what if they're just lots of big coincidences and I just want to see the bad in him. I feel that I need to be certain if I'm going to tell her family.

On Monday we (me, DH, DD, SIL, her BF, their cousin and her BF) went to the New Forrest, where their mums ashes are scattered. Their Gran (their mums mum) was supposed to be coming too but the night before SIL phones and asks if her BF can come in our car as there's no space in the other car for him. We say no as our suspension was not in a good way and due to go into the garage (now fixed and good job we didn't take him or else the garage say our exhaust could have dropped off!!) and that if we took him the weight might cause damage to the car (he's a big chap). So Gran says "oh don't worry about me I won't come". I was shocked. I said that DD and I would stay at home (I'm BF her so she would have to stay too). Gran said no that we must go because it would be first time for DD to visit the place where her Granny is resting. So Gran dropped out and SIL's BF came instead. Surely it's not just me and a real gent would have said "oh no don't worry about me"??!!! This all resulted in me getting a text today from their cousin asking why we were in a funny mood on Monday and why we didn't stay any longer. She doesn't know the half of it sigh.

We would be more than happy to have SIL here for a bit, she has lots of family who would love to have her stay. I often try to get her over here and have to be so creative so that it doesn't involve him. It's tough now though because on those occassions where they're in a bad place she will pour her heart out and I can comfort her and offer advice but more recently she's been singing his praises...so I can hardly criticise and I am SO worried that by butting in she's going to run in his direction.... Confused

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Shoegal27 · 15/02/2012 18:44

izzyizin - I don't think she does have help from a mental health team. She did when she first came out of hospital and she lived in a sheltered housing unit for a year with their support but now she's on her own in terms of support (unless you count family).

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 15/02/2012 21:26

He is clearly an angry and controlling man, to say the least.

Definitely continue to be there for her, show her she is loved and valued, show her that there is a better life for her in which she gets the respect she deserves as a matter of course.

The man is clearly bad news, and bad for her, but it is no surprise - sadly - that given her abusive past, she has gone straight into an abusive adult relationship.

I wish her and you all the best. You are a very kind and caring SIL to her.

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