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I have found evidence of an inappropriate relationship. What to do? Long. Sorry.

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separated · 13/02/2012 19:14

My husband is a therapist. He deals with fairly severe cases of depression and other mental health issues.

Background info. There is a history of his domestic violence against me. He was arrested once but denied it. My word against his. My son has recently become quite aggressive with me. An ongoing problem.

We are divorcing, his choice, and selling the house but we are still living in the house at the moment with our two teenagers. I have started several threads in the last few weeks. He ended our relationship at Christmas but assured me that there was no one else.

I have found evidence to the contrary. And the evidence proves without a doubt that it's with a client/former client. This is strictly forbidden. I confronted him about it. He denied it but asked me to jog his memory by showing him the evidence. I knew what would happen to it if I did so I have copied it and given copies to close friends until I decide what to do. He is a psychologist and incredibly good at appearing innocent. He is wily. He always used to say that he would never hurt me in such a way that there would be evidence.

For the first time in this increasingly twisted twenty year relationship, i actually have some solid evidence of yet another thing that he is denying. Essentially it's several sides of A4 paper with him weighing up various solutions such as: tell no one, admit it to his boss, discuss it with the BABCP which is his regulatory body or something or to continue the relationship (he sometimes refers to it as a friendship in this evidence) but make it non sexual for 2 years. I assume this two years refers to a period when a therapist cannot have a relationship with a client after treatment finishes. He considers drip feeding the information to his boss as another option.

I thought that he would admit what has happened. He hasn't. But this time I know. I thought that this would give me the space I need; it was bad enough finding out over Xmas that he no longer had feelings for me. And he didn't even leave for a few days to let the dust settle, instead he asked me to pretend that everything was normal, for the sake of the children. Which I did. I really thought, now that I know that he has started some sort of relationship, or thought about it, with a client that he should leave for a while. And he won't. It's so disrespectful. And it's actually wrong. He has crossed a line with someone.

Please do you have any words of wisdom? Really, he should lose his job. But do I want to be the person that makes that happen? I had intended to walk away from this marriage with a clear conscience. But would this just be revenge? Incidentally, this is what he told the police that it was when I had him arrested. He told everyone that and still maintains to everyone, including me, that that is what it was.

My other worry is that this could kick start his violence again. He hasn't laid a finger on me since he moved back in in August 2010 when we agreed to try again. Actually, when I agreed to try harder and he agreed to try to forgive me for his arrest(!)

He came back home at lunchtime today. He never does this. I thought that it was to explain to me about this woman. It wasn't. All he wanted was the paperwork that I had found (under his mattress). He accused me of stealing his property and asked to have it back. When I refused, he took my car keys. I only got the keys back because I said that he was frightening me, he was, and that I would have to call the police if he didn't let me leave in my car. Simultaneously, my sister phoned and I remained on the phone, with her listening, until I was safely in my locked car.

What a mess. But at least I know that this wasn't really about me. It's not my fault that the marriage has ended. He found someone else.

Any advice gratefully received please.

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anonacfr · 13/02/2012 23:43

It sounds like your husband deserves any shitty situation he might himself in.

Hope you're safe.

eandz · 13/02/2012 23:53

do you think something is going happening right now? or that separated just got tired?

whethergirl · 13/02/2012 23:59

Maybe she just can't get back online. Must admit everything I've read about him sends shivers down my spine.

Separated, seeing as you have given copies to your friends, I would just give him back the original.

eandz · 14/02/2012 00:04

yeah, but what if he freaks out and goes mental?

ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 14/02/2012 00:08

Hopefully she's OK.

separated · 14/02/2012 00:09

just had a 25 minute conversation with husband. he admitted nothing. just said i am accusing him of thought crime. got whole conversation recorded. can hear the fear in his voice and the control that he is trying to take back.

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blackcurrants · 14/02/2012 00:14

oh you canny thing! DO take care, a lot of abusive men become more dangerous as they sense control slipping.

wishing you a peaceful and restorative night.x

eandz · 14/02/2012 00:16

thought crime?

i don't understand; he just wants the proof? just say you don't have it. that you threw it away or something. or that the cleaner found it (if you guys have one) and she read it--told you and threw it away.

say your bluffing. just make him feel like he's safe so that you can be safe.

eandz · 14/02/2012 00:16

unless he thinks that if he's safe he can keep intimidating you. i'm really worried for you.

separated · 14/02/2012 00:20

Thought crime - he can write what he likes and it doesn't need to be true. What he has written are just random thoughts that don't prove anything. Apparently.

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Charlotteperkins · 14/02/2012 00:20

Get out and get safe first, then report him.

eandz · 14/02/2012 00:27

yes he can write what he likes, you can too; and if he dates said patient then his thoughts go hand in hand with the relationship he's planning.

but forget all that, safety first.

Eurostar · 14/02/2012 00:29

Hi Separated - did you post before about break up? I remember someone posting about psychologist husband who did CBT and it was chilling to think of him working with vulnerable clients. This man, I remember, came across as deeply resentful of women, particularly his female colleagues who he called the "flappy skirt brigade" - was that your posting?

I think you need to make sure that you are safe and then, if you could report him, it would seem like the right thing to do as he should not be working with clients it would seem. It would be a selfless act in that he may well lose his job and be struck off BABCP and BPS registers for unethical practice.

How old are your DC now? It sounds like your DD in particular is taking on a rescuing role here?

anonacfr · 14/02/2012 00:29

So he can make up musings about how to conceal an imaginary affair with one of his patients from his bosses?
Yeah right.
He's seriously worried if that's the only excuse he can come up with. Get out and report him ASAP.

LadyPeterWimsey · 14/02/2012 00:30

If you were to give him back the originals, I would have certified copies made first. You need some legal advice to tell you whether he is right about what the papers can be made to prove - maybe post in legal.

But do keep taking care. A frightened man can be very dangerous.

BasilRathbone · 14/02/2012 00:30

OP does he know you mumsnet? if so, get HQ to move this thread to Off the Beaten Track.

He sounds really dangerous. Again, not wishing to overdramatise or frighten you, but this man is highly manipulative and has a massive sense of entitlement. He really is dangerous, don't underestimate how much just because you're used to him.

Can you get someone else to come and stay with you if you are having to stay in the house with him for the forseeable future?

I don't think you can counter-sue for divorce because you won't get legal aid - afaik, they will only give LA to the first party who sues for divorce.

separated · 14/02/2012 00:32

OMG, yes that was me \eurostar.

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separated · 14/02/2012 00:36

To my knowedge, he doesn't know that I frequent Mumsnet. He is manipulative, I've just listened to the whole 25 min recording that I made. He's really good at it. I've just sent a copy of it to my sister in case anything happens to my phone. No damning evidence on there but he skirts around the issue completely which tells its own story.
I know that I should put my safety first. I know that really.

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garlicfrother · 14/02/2012 00:41

Please do realise he's done a MASSIVE number on you. The degree of self-doubt in your posts is heartbreaking. Remember you can rely on the evidence of your own senses and on logic. You can test any of that here and with the DV support people. Also, please, remember that no violence is acceptable and no spouse needs the other's permission to end a relationship. Debates about the validity of your thoughts are spurious; you have independent rights.

Have you already been in touch with the DV people? I think they will help you feel 'real' about the abuse you're suffering and get your priorities sorted out. Try here if you haven't found them yet.

Be cautious and surround yourself with as much support as possible. Thinking of you.

separated · 14/02/2012 00:52

I had some involvement with the DV people nearly 2 years ago and I convinced myself really that I didn't need their help. I shall make contact with them again tomorrow. There's no physical abuse now. He may not have admitted to it, but it stopped it from happening again after he was arrested and then returned to the house 3 months later (they told him that he should stay away in case I accused him of anything else, apparently).

I do struggle with trusting my own experiences. Not helped by an incident with a man many years ago, pre husband, when I was fondled in my sleep and awoke a shape of a man in front of me (it was dark) and screamed and screamed until the shape moved and then the light was switched on. The shape turned out to be my sister's fiance (actually he had been my boyfriend but fell in love with my twin sister, but that's another story!) who said that he had come downstairs for a drink (I was staying on his parent's settee so I could be at my sister's and his wedding). Apparently it never happened. He didn't lean over me in the dark and stroke right up my leg. He just came in for a drink (through the living room to get to the kitchen)and I semi woke up and screamed. The word that was used again and again by my family was 'mistaken'. They all said it. Because the implications of believing me were too huge: the wedding would have to have been called off. I even still went to the wedding as their chief bridesmaid two days later.

So this is why I always doubt myself - because the consequences of making a mistake are huge for other people.

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BasilRathbone · 14/02/2012 00:55

oh separated.

That was a dreadful thing to happen. Sad

BasilRathbone · 14/02/2012 00:58

And the consequences of not having the truth acknowledged, are terrible for you.

And you matter just as much as other people. Please believe that.

Good night separated, hope you'll be OK.

separated · 14/02/2012 00:59

Yes it really was at the time. I was isolated from everyone apart from the man who is now my husband. We were newly in a relationship and he was the only one who believed me. But he never forgave me for having been the girlfriend of my sister's husband, if you see what I mean. He hated that there was a man always around who had 'known' me first. And of course there was nothing that I could do about that.

I do know that I am much better off without him.

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separated · 14/02/2012 01:00

Goodnight. Thank you.

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separated · 14/02/2012 01:30

Can't sleep. Unsurprising really.
So, so grateful for everyone's input tonight.

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