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Please help me stop enabling my father's behaviour

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NeedsASpine · 03/02/2012 20:06

I need the wisdom of you mumsnetters who actually are grown ups and have more backbone than me. I'm sorry, I've namechanged as the following makes me pretty recognisable and I'd rather keep it seperate from my usual, more cheerful persona. This is going to be long and its taken a lot of courage for me to post this, as the circumstances are fairly unique and I'm frightened people will not believe me.

I've been having problems with my Dad using me as an emotional leaning post for a few years now. He rings me every day and tells me all his woes and it's really getting me down. I'll start with a little background if that's ok.

I had quite a nice childhood really, my parents gave me and my brother lots of emotional support, we both felt loved and we never went without, materially. When we were teenagers it became apparent that my Dad had depression. My brother and I were pretty well 'protected' from it for want of a better word. It's not something that was ever discussed really and my Mum was the one who tried to support us all. Dad started drinking heavily. He would have several glasses of wine with tea then stay up late drinking before eventually falling into bed beside my Mum at 3am every night. We were aware of it happening but we are all guilty of burying our heads in the sand and hoping he would get better. He was never violent or innappropriate, he would just quietly fall down drunk.

My Dad has always said that me and him have a 'special bond', and that I was 'on his wavelength'. He has always favoured my company to my brother, but was not quite so obvious about it when we were younger. My Mum has always been very equal. He started confiding small things in me about his emotions and what worried him. This has grown really gradually over time. I've alwas been more of a softie than my brother, so I would listen to him because I felt sorry for him and wanted to make him feel better.

Time passed, I met DH, moved out and got married. I remained close to both my parents and we would go most weeks for Sunday dinner. One Sunday my Dad asked me to go to the shops with him. He was very uptight and tearful. On the way there I was obviously concerned about him and asked him a few times what was wrong. He (after very little probing) told me he was having an affair and that he was going to leave my Mum. I realise now he very deliberatley set out to tell me that day, and wanted to unburden himself to me, without considering my feelings. I was very shocked, and asked him to at least talk to my Mum about what was happening. I'm very ashamed to admit I didn't shout at him, I even gave him a hug because he was upset Sad

What made it even more horrible was that my brother was getting married two weeks later. My Dad begged me not to say anything because he 'didn't want to spoil the wedding'. I agreed for my brother's sake, and spent truly the most awful two weeks of my life hiding this awful secret from my family. I thought my Mum and Brother would never speak to me again, that they would think I thought it was ok for him to do it, and that everyone would judge me for holding this secret (I still do worry about that last one). I couldn't even tell DH because he loves my Mum very much, I knew he would react (understandably) badly and not be able to keep his thoughts (and possibly fists) to himself. The wedding was awful. Not obviously for my family, but for me to watch my mother, so proud and happy, and my Dad, who in a fit of selfishness, insisted on doing a reading in the church about the wonders of love. I was the only one in that church who knew he wasn't talking about my Mum.

I'm sorry this is so long, I just need to keep typing.

The day after the wedding I met up with my best friend. I couldn't keep it to myself and had a bit of a breakdown. She was horrified and urged me to talk to DH. I did, it was awful. He'd known something was up, and was waiting for me to tell him when I was ready. I rang my Dad in tears about the whole thing, and he told me very calmly that it would all be ok and that he didn't regret telling me. I realise now that he must've been drunk at the time.

It took him a week to tell my mum. My brother was away on honeymoon and was blissfully ignorant. My mum was devastated, didn't have a clue and didn't want him to leave. It was awful, he left, then came back, then left again. I had to take time off work to look after my mum, and we also got a lot of support from my mum's brother and nan. One of the first things my mum asked me was 'did I know?'. That has got to be the second most awful time of my life. I started to cry and begged for her forgiveness. She was absolutely horrified that he had done that to me, as was the rest of our family. They were wonderful with me, but it's still something I find very painful to discuss and still feel so guilty about it.

My brother came back from honeymoon and was told all about it the next day. Obviously he was very upset aswell and helped me to support our mum.

My dad eventually left and moved in for good with the other woman. We didn't speak for a long time and to be honest it was a relief. I grew very close to my mum in this period and can honestly say if one positive thing came of the whole thing was that we have an even deeper relationship than before.

Fast forward a couple of years, my mum has moved on successfully and has remarried now. My Dad, after a bit of leg work on his part and a lot of forgivness on mine and DB's has re-established a relationship with us. He stayed with TOW, who was diagnosed with cancer early on in their relationship. They got married, he nursed he through ill health and unfortunately she died last year. I do genuinley mean this, she did a bad thing being TOW (although was fed a few lies about my mother's behaviour which I soon corrected) but no-one deserves the end to life that she had.

I'm really sorry for the length, it's theraputic to write this and I undefstand anyone who wants to give up at this point!

Whilst TOW was unwell and dealing with her cancer, I was having rather a bad year myself. I had my lovely DD, who was (and is) wonderful in every way. Unfortunately I think the traumas of the year before caught up with me and I sank into deep PND. I tried to go back to work, but ended up on long term sick, and finally got 'let go' from my job due to ill health. DP and I went through a very rough patch, but fortunately now are stronger than ever. I got lots of support from my HV and from my mum and extended family. I didn't bother my Dad too much with my problems because he was dealing with a dying wife, and plus whenever I did talk to him about it he often ended up talking about his depression and how difficult he found it to cope.

After losing my job, DH and I ended up having to go bankrupt, I couldn't find another employer willing to take me on and we couldn't pay the bills. Going to court that day was a terrifying experience. Since then I've been a SAHM, and DH and I have found ourselves expecting another baby (despite using contraception). At first I was horrified, but when it looked like I was miscarrying it suddenly dawned on me what a blessing and a gift this baby was. We went through three terrifying weeks of scans and bleeding but our baby remained safe. I'm now well into the third trimester of my pregnancy.

Now I'm getting to the present! My main issue now is that ever since TOW died, my Dad has reverted to using me as his confessor. He rings me every night and tells me how bad he is feeling. He asked me to escort him to his GPs appts and to see the psychiatrist because he couldn't face going alone. I'm an idiot and I agreed Sad I can't get away from the fact that he's widowed and lonely. He is still young (in his 50's) is retired (due to depresdion) and on a very decent pension (I know all the ins and outs of his financial situation because, well, he tells me!) He also can drive and owns two cars so he is not isolated. The only family he has is me and my brother.

His favouritism of me over my brother remains. He very rarely speaks to my brother, and never travels the short distance to visit him. My DB gets upset about this sometimes, although doesn't really discuss it with me (my SIL tells me instead) He never rings my brother to unburden himself, only me. He tells me about his deep thoughts, how he feels nervous going out and how much he hates TOW's kids (who are in their early twenties, have never known their father and habe now lost their mother who they loved very much). What is frustrating is that he obviously feels ok when it suits him. He has dated several women in the few months his wife has been dead, and been abroad on holiday twice. He also has made quite a few friends at his local restaurants, and eats out most nights to mix with other locals in his town. I recognise that (most of) these things are good things, and that it's good for him to get out and about. The frustrating thing is that then he calls me, tells me how awful he is to be dating again, how he's not ready, then goes out and does the same thing again. I've never passed judgement to him about the dating, told him their was no particular time line for grief, and he's agreed with me and said he would take himself off the dating website, then a week later he will be ringing me in tears about a lovely woman he's been out with but how guilty he feels (again)

When he calls, he never ever asks how I am. Ever. He never asks about my pregnancy, never asks about my wellbeing. The only thing he does ask is about my bills, and has given us money on occassion which u fortunately I can't seem to say no to. I hate that every night I have to listen to him, that it's completely one sided. I hate that I tiptoe around his feelings, never say what I really think. Mostly I hate myself for enabling this behaviour. I keep feeling sorry for him, being alone and widowed, having made a big giant mess of his life. He never visits, expect me to go up to him all the time. Never takes much interest in DD, other than buying her expensive presents occasionally (she is 2, she is unaware of this and barely knows who he is)

It's starting to really affect me. I can't stand being his constant means of support. He sees a councellor, and his GP on a regular basis. He is on meds and is now under the care of a psychiatrist. He has had a lot of help in the past 15 from the health service but unfortunately has never improved. I'm not qualified to make him better, and I'd really rather step back from the whole thing.

I know him well, if I was to confront him on this he would cry and put on his spoilt child voice about how he never intended to make me feel that way and that he loves me. Then he would behave for about a month and then start slipping into old habits again. I can't face the thought of falling out, my life has been very stressful and dramatic these past few years, I want no more. I want to wait excitedly for my new baby, cuddle my lovely family and pray very hard the PND doesn't strike again.

I don't know how to extract myself from the situation. I don't know how to stop him confessing all in me without having a major fall out or leaving him completely alone in the world.

I'm fed up and so is my family. They know how much he uses me. They hate him for doing it but they are also getting impatient with me for allowing it (then getting upset and crying and all of their shoulders) I just don't know how Sad

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crje · 06/02/2012 09:17

linerunner -yes he is a drinker too.

Its tough :-(

Have one sibling who is also estranged also-the others are older and my dad was a better man when they were younger so they are not as hurt by him. Our family feels really divided now-there was a 'family'meal for my dad's birthday recently and it was really hard to see plans on facebook for it......my big supportive family is not supporting us at all.

NeedsASpine · 06/02/2012 09:48

crje That must be awful to not even be supported by your family. I'm very lucky mine have been great. I've had a similar experience when I had a fall out with my Dad earlier last year. He got drunk and composed a letter to my former employers about how awful they were to me (I actually posted about it here under a different name) It was hideousely embarrasing, and would have blacklisted me forever from a major employer. He tells me he never sent it, I hope to god he didn't. Anyway I got really annoyed with him and basically told him where to go. He then started ringing my brother every night Sad He said some awful things about me (that I was cold and heartless, I'll never forgive him for that after all I'd done for him) Fortunately my brother has more sense than me, told him in no uncertain terms that speaking like that was unacceptable and that we (my brother and I) don't keep secrets or bitch about one another. It hits home a bit now, thinking about it, how easily he moved on to his next emotional crutch.

You've all been wonderful sources of support here, I keep re-reading all your replies to give me strength. When he rang yesterday afternoon, I was actually in bed having a nap Blush DH answered again. Bless him, he tolerates my Dad for my sake but would gladly see the back of him really. He told my Dad I was tired, and fortunately Dad didn't ring back (he was going on yet another date apparently Hmm) so no doubt tonight I'll get the 'Oh she was a lovely lady but it felt so wrong! I don't think I'm ready for this' speech again. Apart from anything else I'm feeling really sorry for these women he's stringing along. I'm not sure how I'm going to handle it yet. I'm certainly going to do the feigned disinterest/distracted by DD thing, but I'm trying to build myself up to actually verbally disagreeing with his actions, instead of my usual sympathetic tones and no pulling him up on his actions.

I just don't know if I'm strong enough. I've been through so much. All I want is an easy peaceful life. Sad

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Helltotheno · 06/02/2012 10:19

All the power to change the situation is in your hands op. He is manipulating you and will continue to do so until YOU call a halt to it.

LisasCat · 06/02/2012 10:33

I noticed you said he was seeing a counsellor. Would it be worth asking him to take you along one day for a joint session, and then set up a further session just for you, to discuss the best way forward for both of you. I think the counsellor would agree it's not good for him either to be using you as a crutch, so it would aid his recovery as well if you and the counsellor could decide some strategies to wean him off. Obviously you would benefit, but I think you need to sell it to your dad as you trying to help him, because he would have to be the one to give his counsellor permission to discuss it with you.

Familyguyfan · 06/02/2012 11:12

Hi, my mum is a recovering alcoholic (6 years without drink) and I still remember the horror of those calls. The emotional crutch I provided was 'vital' to her, but really I just enabled her to justify her actions.

I can say all this as I'm at the other end of the tunnel with a fully recovered parent, who would never be such an emotional leach again, but I have to say, it was me that changed the calls well before mum stopped drinking. I stopped answering. I stopped engaging. I stopped worrying. If something awful happened, someone would let me know. There was NOTHING she needed that badly that I had to speak to her then and there. It's hard, but YOU have to stop taking the calls, and get that backbone. Sorry! And good luck!

RabidEchidna · 06/02/2012 11:39

I know I sound harsh but for the sake of your family, that would be your HD and children, tell your father you do not want to listen to his self pity and guilt, put the phone down change your number and do not let him ruin your life a second time.
You can not cure him, walk away

crje · 06/02/2012 13:46

My father also doing councelling asked a sibling if I would talk to him to help him see the problem.I said I would need proof that he was no longer drinking before I would commit. Two weeks later he was in A&E having fallen down drunk and split his head.

My distance from my father is something ive made my peace with. The knock on affect has been a building resentment to those who continue to enable him......

The whole situation makes me cross and sad....... :-(

SORRY FOR DUMPING ON YOUR POST OP-HOPE YOU FIND A WAY TO RESOLVE IT WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK AWAY!!!!!!

NeedsASpine · 06/02/2012 17:51

crje you are not dumping at all, we are in this together and hopefully can both gain some support from this thread.

Lisascat His counsellor specialises in alcoholics so I don't think he'd be able to help me on my own, although it's a good idea in principle. To be honest, I took him to his psychiatrists appointment last week but refused to go in with him. I just really don't want to hear it (I know I sound heartless) but I'm pregnant, emotional, and mostly just tired of hearing him talk. I know from his other appointments (GPs etc) that he doesn't hold back just because I'm in the room, he will talk about his deepest darkest thoughts, and he should be able to do that with them, I just think I don't really want/need to hear them.

Thank you to everyone who's posted here, and shared your experiences. Especially to linerunner and rosie who keep coming back to reassure me.

He hasn't called so far today. But I'm sure it'll be soon.

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newbiedoobiedoo · 06/02/2012 17:55

Needs be strong if (or when) he calls. IT IS YOUR RIGHT to have a break. IT IS YOUR RIGHT to decide who you talk to and when. You are not obliged to him. He has made you feel as though it is somehow your job to be his sounding box, his emotional punchbag but you're not!!!

Look after YOU and the best way to do that is to stop looking after HIM. Little steps at a time. Reduce the phone calls and texts. Starting today! Good luck :)

NeedsASpine · 06/02/2012 18:02

Thank you newbie Smile

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newbiedoobiedoo · 06/02/2012 18:14

:) you'll do great! One day at a time!

Fragglicious · 06/02/2012 18:33

Hi needsaspine, so sorry to read your post. Have you considered finding a local Al Anon meeting? They are there to support the relative of the alcoholic & talk a lot about "detaching with love" which I found really helpful.
Congratulations on your pregnancy

CinnabarRed · 07/02/2012 07:57

Hi Needaspine

I don't have anything helpful to add about your father, but have experience of PND that might be relevant.

I had devastating PND (I was near suicide) after both DS1 and 2 were born. With DS1 I didn't seek help and it took 18 months before I was even within throwing distance of better. With DS2 I sought help as soon as I felt the depression return. My GP referred me immediately to my local mental health team, and I was prescribed ADs (Sertraline). Happily I came out the other side much quicker with DS2, and felt myself again by the time he was 8 weeks old. But I kept taking the ADs because my CPN recommended staying on them for a good year before reducing the dose, to ensure I remained stable and healthy.

As it happens I fell pregnant with DS3 before the year was up. My GP spoke to the mental health team again, and confirmed that it was safe for me to continue taking my ADs, which I did through out my pregnancy and after DS3 was born (he's breastfed, but Sertraline is compatible with breastfeeding). I haven't suffered a day of PND with DS3 so far - he's 5 months old today - and have plans in place to come off the ADs once I have returned to work and am settled back into the WOHM routine.

So I wanted to reassure you that PND is manageable with subsequent children. I would strongly recommend talking to your midwife and GP now (it's worth changing doctor if your current GP isn't sympathetic) and put plans for support in place now. Hopefully you won't need them, but you will find it reassuring to know they're there just in case.

All the very best.

rosie0000 · 08/02/2012 01:05

Well done for refusing to go into his therapy session. You don't sound heartless at all.

Hope you are ok.

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