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How do you know when it's just another row, or when it's over?

36 replies

UhOhJo · 01/02/2012 21:24

My DP works away a lot and we have a weird Jekyll and Hyde kind of relationship, we get on fine when he's home, we're a team, share chores, laugh a lot, and moan about our hard work kids together. Then when he's away we barely speak, and when we do we regularly row about little things. He often doesn't feel like ringing, we always interpret each others texts the wrong way and end up falling out about nothing much.

His job involves travel to lots of different countries, he starts at midday so gets precious lie-ins, he has meals out every night then drinks with friends. I try not to get resentful, it's not his fault he's got a great job and 5 star hotels all over the world! But when he's away my life is quick after-work fishfingers, endless nights alone in the living room, and getting up at 6.30am when the kids wake. He is a good man, a kind man, and in some ways this doesn't help, he feels massive guilt about leaving the kids, he has a huge chip on his shoulder that I'm blaming him for the inequality of it all - and to be honest I sometimes used to. Now I try to stay calm and even when we row I attempt to make it clear there's no blame in any of it.

He's a quiet private person at the best of times, but when he's away he feels like a stranger, he would never think to tell me what he does or feels, I feel cut off. I trust him, but it is a different world from family life, it's full of young single guys on holiday. I'm the opposite to a quiet stranger, I send him endless texts and emails, updates on the kids, just chat. He doesn't always appreciate it, especially when I tell him I've had a bad day or that I'm lonely.

Yesterday we had a usual row about not much, something about our DS's lost teddy, it was me who lost my rag first and I phrased something badly in a text. It was nothing, just a text-row misunderstanding, but he didn't see it that way. He sent an email that was full of how much he loathes me, how I'm mad, depressed and depressing, selfish, and that we have no relationship and he can't stand me.

I was upset of course, and did my usual firing off of too many emails back - up until 1am (I couldn't sleep!) but I was calm and trying hard to calm things down to make them better. I asked him to apologise and told him how hurtful it had been, and that it must have been heat of the moment stuff and not true.

This morning I expected things to be back to normal. Instead they were worse. He said he wouldn't apologise, more stuff about what a horrible person I was, and that he didn't want to talk to me 'I could stew.'

So I told him I was leaving him. I guess it was the nuclear option, but I really don't know what to do. If I believe that he hates me as much as he said then I can't be with him.

I can't go crawling back to him and tell him I love him and don't care that he thinks I'm a selfish loathsome bitch, can I? I think he meant those things. He said we have no relationship. In some ways he's right, we have no relationship when he's away, and he's away an awful lot. We've been together 5 years and we've talked endlessly about the 'him away' issues and got nowhere. Maybe I do just have to accept that it's too big a barrier to this working. He's home just one week this month, which adds extra complications as we have so little time to fix things and have a history of making things worse when we 'talk' by email or phone (he just cuts me off if things get difficult.)

In some ways I'd be relieved to end things to avoid the 'him away' rows and silences. But when we're together he's brilliant and we have a good life whenever he's home. I'm so confused and have no idea what to do for the best.

Bit of an essay. Oops. I just needed to talk to someone, as usual. At least I got that off my chest.

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kodachrome · 02/02/2012 13:04

I think you should definitely move back to your work and friend network. Your dp really shouldn't get the final vote or veto on where you live when he's only home one week in four or something - that's not fair.

Ahhhtetley · 02/02/2012 13:14

It does sound like you need to move back to London and get your life back on track. If he's only home one week out of three then for those three you need to be happy too.

I've done the working away from home and it's really not very glamorous as it might seem. A hotel in Singapore is the same as a hotel in Blackpool, the same for conference centres. But, he also needs to work out his priorities. His priority is either you and your DC or his job.. It's sometimes very easy to say you can't leave a job because of the money etc. But myself and my DH went through a really bad patch a few years ago because he had a very stressful job. He always said he couldn't leave because of one reason or another, then he got made redundant. Got another job, which is a lot less stressful and, low and behold, we're blissful again. If only he'd left sooner..

So, I guess what I'm saying, is that he needs to look at his priorities too and sort his life out. Everyone has a choice, he either wants to be away from home all the time or not. If not, then maybe he needs to compromise on money or the job..

But, you've got to be able to tell him this, maybe cool the texts and emails then talk to him properly when he's home next.

oldwomaninashoe · 02/02/2012 14:39

You've moved to a new area and you don't appear to have any friends to chat with and to mull over the day to day things with. You definately need to work out of the home that is your biggest problem.

I guantee when you have a life outside the home things will improve.
Stop texting him with what he propbably sees as trivia, when he is obviously because of his situation unable to offer you any practical assistance.

rabbitfeet · 02/02/2012 15:06

I have something similar with my DH - When either of us goes away to visit relatives etc, communication pretty much shuts down and arguments can appear out of nowhere. We are both over-sensitive and tend to misinterpret and overreact.

My advice is to accept that when he's away, you won't talk much and you just need to both get on with your own thing. It doesn't mean you don't love each other, just some people aren't great at long-distance communication. Write your grievances on a piece of paper and then throw it away - Do not text him with anything that could be misinterpreted. It's just not worth it.

Don't email him again until he comes home. You are both just going to incite each other into worse and worse statements!

UhOhJo · 02/02/2012 17:32

Yeah, all very good advice. Emails/texts don't work with us at all, but I've never thought about conciously deciding not to send them! Working at home or stuck at home with the kids it feels like easy human contact. We've talked about me working out of the house - it's what I really want, I'm a real people person and I feel sure that if I worked away from home I'd be busy and happy and cope so much better.The problem is that it's near impossible to find jobs in my line of work in this small town, and he says he hates London where I could work in my company's office (and have much better promotion prospects to boot!)

I've decided I'll hang in there until he gets home, then find a way to say that something has to change in this work/relationship situation that makes me so unhappy. We either have to accept that I take a vastly reduced income in any kind of job here in SmallTownLand, or we move to London and I stay with my company, or he turns down some of his work away (he's freelance so it's possible - but I don't think he'll choose this as self-employed people find it hard to turn things down.)

On a brighter note he has replied to my Relate email. Just to say he doesn't want Relate and is still cross and needs to calm down, but he's talking a bit, and I hope I'm not reading too much into it but I think this means he doesn't want it to be over. Phew!

And I told him to take his time and get calm, and won't email/text unless he shows an interest.

I really feel like MNers have saved my life. Thanks so much to everyone.

I have a real firm plan now, where yesterday I was a wreck who thought the world was ending. :)

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QuintessentialyHollow · 02/02/2012 17:55

Considering how little time he spends at home, I think it is pretty unfair that he gets to decide

  1. where you live, it is you who has to live there the majority of time
  2. where you work, taken into account that this affects both your work life and your daily life, and your career prospect.

Is he usually calling all the shots?

BalloonSlayer · 02/02/2012 18:11

I think he's behaving like a complete arse.

He gets to swan off doing the job he loves, earning loads, content in the knowledge that his DP is looking after his children. He knows she is unhappy because she doesn't see anyone as she has to work from home, but refuses to move to London where she can get a job in an office where she will be happier.

In other words, the family is allowed to suffer because of HIS job, but not because of hers.

He tells her they have no relationship. Well whose fault is that?

"He's told me bluntly that he's not willing to give me any more sympathy or support when he's away," arse arsey arse arse - arse arse.

Then he has the nerve to call HER selfish! Selfish behaviour is behaviour that gets you everything you want the way you want it, disregarding other people's feelings. So which of the two of them is the one with everything they way they want it and which is the one with practically nothing the way they want it?

Who the fuck does he think he is?

kodachrome · 03/02/2012 12:18

Don't know if you're still about OP, but please rethink the option you give in your last post of taking a lower paid job locally.

Now is not the time to make yourself more dependent on his income, just because you're relieved it doesn't seem to be over after all.

There is no guarantee that you will find the companionship you crave through working in your new area - it takes time to make friends and you may not click with the people in this potential new sphere.

The worst possible outcome could be that you sacrifice your current career, take a hit in income, still feel very lonely & isolated where you are - and then the marriage still doesn't work!

Would you be able to just walk back into your current job?

Don't risk everything to stay where you are at his behest. The temptation is to do everything you can to keep it together - but if it's you doing all the compromising, you could easily get royally screwed over.

kodachrome · 03/02/2012 12:27

And he can't possibly hate all of London. It's a varied and wonderful place. Look in different areas if he hated where you were before.

UhOhJo · 03/02/2012 21:57

Thanks kodachrome, I suppose that is a point I hadn't thought of. A sad point, but I suppose I do have to think about it. It's a shame because he is so very anti-London and he has a point that we won't get a nice house with a garden in a decent area. I did try to persuade him to move back about a year ago but we barely got anywhere, he just saw the sort of area/house we'd end up in and refused to budge. We have a large 3 bed house worth about £250k here in Smalltownland, I'm not even going to look at Rightmove it will only make the whole situation seem more impossible!

It's a ridiculous situation because if we do split up (still don't want to) and I move to London without him, with him working this much away he'll only see his DS a couple of days a month, at least outside school hols. He is a very hands-on brilliant dad when he's home, it would be a huge shock to his system, and so very sad for my boy.

My DD's dad lives in London, it will be good for her as she'd see him more.

I still haven't heard anything more from him, but really wish I would.

It was a day off today so I invited a neighbour around. I barely know her but we ended up drinking fizzy wine and I splurged the whole sorry tale - I felt much better for doing that, she thought I should move back to London too. It felt nice to make a new local friend - but it turns out she's moving away to a city. Hmm

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kodachrome · 03/02/2012 23:35

It should be more important to him that you can be happy and fulfilled than you have a nice house in a pretty place that he barely lives in.

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