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If you have ever experienced a partner being unfaithful.................

49 replies

hecantpossiblyunderstand · 26/01/2012 22:31

My H had an affair and left. We have been together for around 14 years, married for 6 years and have 2 DC's under 5. He wanted to come back and I agreed. Months after, I realised he was still/back in contact with OW. I asked him to leave. We've been separated for a few months now and he is apparently very sorry.

I know that he can't possibly understand the depth of hurt he has caused me and others. I find it difficult to describe/explain to him (and even myself).

I would love to hear from others (so I can show him this thread) who have been betrayed by an unfaithful partner, how they would describe their hurt both in the early days after discovery and later (months/years) on also.

OP posts:
FabbyChic · 26/01/2012 22:37

Feels like someone has died. Grief insurmountable, because it is a loss, loss of trust, the love you thought you had and cherished. The betrayal that someone you thought loved you could do something so selfish and evil, because that is what it is evil. Intentionally hurting someone you know loves you, has faith in you etc.,

Pippa5l · 26/01/2012 22:40

Grief for the loss of the assumed future.........

ClaraSage · 26/01/2012 22:58

And for the past because it was not what you thought it was.

strictlycomedancingdiva · 26/01/2012 22:58

5 years on, and I still grieve for the future the DC and I should be living..... I should be angry with him but I'm just sad..

cutteduppear · 26/01/2012 23:11

What ClaraSage said. Your whole store of memories has been pissed on and they are not yours any more.

ThePickledGerbil · 26/01/2012 23:11

Great idea for a thread; so sad it has to exist, though Sad

The pain at first was so acute it was physical; panic, uncontrollable shaking/crying, inability to concentrate.

Closely followed by confusion; desperation to know the depth of deceit-the whats/whens/whys and the awful, awful picturing the 2 of them together. OP's H; imagine your wife cuddling, confiding in, having sex with, falling for, thinking about another man...crap innit?

On top of this a sense of shame, guilt and embarrasment; what should I have done different? Is it my fault? What will everyone think? Will people blame me? All irrational, but that is what the experience did to me. That's what my H made me do to myself.

When that subsides you're left with the overwhelming grief, sense of betrayal and huge difficulty in ever being able to trust another person again, or indeed trust your own judgement and mind.

From what I've seen and experienced, some damage is pretty much permanent and completely, completely unavoidable.

Cannot comment on the effect on DCs, but hurting their mum is hardly a positive.

ThePickledGerbil · 26/01/2012 23:13

d'oh, meant avoidable

Firepile · 27/01/2012 00:36

I am about 18 months in.

H leaving me for (current) OW and learning the extent of his infidelity and lies (he slept with several others in the course of our decade-long relationship, and started shagging her within weeks of our wedding) has been the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I completely agree with everyone who has posted about the unimaginable scale of the grief and sadness. For the first few weeks, it felt like I could not breathe, eat or sleep - the only way I could function at all was to pretend it wasn't happening.

I have never cried so much, or so loudly. The day he told me he wanted a divorce I cried all the way home on the train and all the way from the station to my house. My neighbour stopped me a couple of days later and said how sorry he was because he had heard me sobbing. I spent hundreds of pounds phoning friends in other timezones because I was so lonely and unhappy in the middle of the night.

I spent months blaming myself for not being good enough, comparing myself with the OW and feeling like a complete failure. Worrying that all our mutual friends and his family would reject me too.

Things are better now, but I still feel so sad and lonely at times.

Thank goodness for my dc, friends, family and my excellent counsellor!

familyscapegoat · 27/01/2012 01:40

The worst experience of my life.

The trauma and shock of discovering the texts completely accidentally. The feeling of heat that spread all over my body in what seemed like a second. The vomiting straight afterwards, then the adrenaline and searching for other clues. The flashbacks about that scene for years afterwards.

The sleeplessness and destroyed appetite and the physical pain in my throat and stomach for weeks afterwards. The animal-like howls that took me by surprise and which I'd never heard coming from my body in the 40 years before that. The fear and feelings of not being safe any more. The terror that two people had been changing the course of my life without me knowing anything about it, or suspecting a thing. The lack of control.

The tears that would come from nowhere and without notice. The feelings that everyone who looked at me knew. The feeling that I was a lesser person for this happening to me, that my value had been diminished.

The anger that scared me in its intensity.

Then when the crisis passed and the forgiving path was underway, the highs of falling in love again, followed by the terrible lows and thinking it was impossible to forgive.

The overwhelming sadness. The terrible listlessness and lack of energy a few months later and feeling that I would never look forward to anything ever again with the same excitement, or experience uncomplicated pleasure ever again.

But I did and we are happy. I am wiser and stronger, but harder. More judgemental and yet able to understand that few people (if any) set out to cause these terrible effects. No-one knows until they've been through it or lived with the effects of it every day.

If this thread stops one person from inflicting this on the person they are meant to love, it will be worth people reliving their pain.

FlatCapAndAWhippet · 27/01/2012 01:55

gosh family....I relived every part of that with you Sad

BayPolar · 27/01/2012 04:14

Yes, it is like somebody has died.
In my case, it was a one night stand (would have been more if I hadn't found out) and my entire view of this man, this man who I loved like no other, changed in a flash, and even though we are still together - kind of, I am thousands of miles away right now..long stupid story - it is different, it is so different, and I hurt almost every single day because he told me that I was the best ever, gave him the best loving ever, so even though I was 'the best', it still wasn't enough, was it, which ended up putting stress on me forever.
I am not sure I can go on feeling like this.
I am thinking about going it alone even though he is sorry and loves me so much.
Stupid fkcing men and their cocks.
And a pox on all women who go with men they know are attached to another.

My guy hasn't experienced the same 'best' loving since.
He ruined it.
Unless we can get back on track, four years on, but it's so hard, the pain is searing.
And for what? He went out for hamburger when he had steak at home.

BayPolar · 27/01/2012 04:15

Family

Ditto re: so much of what you wrote.

Abitwobblynow · 27/01/2012 06:38

The worst thing of my life. I thought I was going to die from the pain. Heartbreak really is physical. Both my parents died at this time - both of them! - and it was nothing compared to the loss of the person I had chosen to share my life with, who I thought was my friend, who I chose to give my trust to.

Why does it hurt more than anyone who has never lived it can fathom (I had no idea before)? Because of the lies and the hidden secret facet to him, this person I thought I 'knew'. Because I don't know what was real and not real. Because I was THAT replaceable. Because he isn't who I thought he was. Because we didn't have what I thought we had. Because, actually, I don't know him I just made assumptions. Because I am Fallen (the scales have fallen from my eyes and I am no longer innocent). Because of my humiliation. Because of my shame. Because I look at my innocent friends as the outsider and see their innocent security and listen to [ie, how wearing an old t-shirt to bed doesn't matter/putting their H down] their assumptions and think, 'you have no idea of your husbands secret thoughts, feelings and life' - its awful! I am the outsider.

Because I found out that even though I was despised and mistreated whilst compared with imcomparable OW I still had my uses as housekeeper and nanny and so shouldn't be got rid of. Because I find his ability to split himself (talking to OW on the phone, then phoning me, buying us both gifts) quite frightening.

Because now he finds my rage unacceptable and 'hurtful'. Because he thinks it is very unreasonable of me not to accept his explanation that it was a 'mistake' and 'didn't mean anything' and 'wasn't a relationship' even though he chose being with her right up until he got caught, and that he doesn't have to answer my questions, and 'why aren't you getting over this YOU are the problem'. Because he is still not sharing his truth. Because he used another woman (although being married with children WAS a big fat CLUE) and screwed us both over.

My husband has been diagnosed as a narcissist, but I am suspecting that Midlife Crisis and adultery have huge, huge elements to narcissism to them. Not all men cheat. But you do have to be incredibly self-absorbed, feel very special and ENTITLED to think the rules don't apply to you/not care about people you are supposed to care about, in order to develop a secret life of self-gratification.

So, to the OP: it is agony. I think you must (with hindsight I should have done this) act decisively, find a therapist who understands infidelity. Ask him if he is aware of Shirley Glass, Peggy Vaughan, Myra Hirshenbaum and Linda MacDonald [THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, OTHERWISE YOU WILL GET THAT MUMSNET GUFF about forgiving* and what needs did you not fulfil? (old fashioned and minimising)], who will help you with your rage AND require him to face up to himself.

*I do not think my H's IC (old fashioned) is helping at all. She told him that he shouldn't traumatise me by giving me details when I asked for them, which has basically gave him carte blanche to shut down, and that my rage is unreasonable and over the top, and she told me I should make him 'feel safe' enough to share. So, I must nurture him!!!!!!
When actually, I think 'this is your consequence' and 'you must tell her if she wants to know, it is the only way she will get over it' and 'healing is hard work, this is what it takes, to listen to her pain that you caused' is what I THINK he needs to hear. But hey, who am I, just an unqualified person with hurt feelings and broken trust.

hecantpossiblyunderstand · 27/01/2012 09:15

Thanks to everyone who has replied and I'm sorry you've had this brutal and devastating experience. I was close to tears reading your responses.

Family

"The sleeplessness and destroyed appetite and the physical pain in my throat and stomach for weeks afterwards. The animal-like howls that took me by surprise and which I'd never heard coming from my body in the 40 years before that. The fear and feelings of not being safe any more."

You've described my feelings very well. Its all a bit hazy but I recognise it as you've written it.

Abitwobblynow. I also feel angry but mainly sad for the loss of my innocence (and that of my family, inlaws and friends and even my H - we have all been damaged). I know this feeling will fade in time but it's very acute now.

OP posts:
EirikurNoromaour · 27/01/2012 10:05

I feel like she is a sickness, a poison in my body. I can deal with it when I don't think about her, but when I do - and I searched for her on facebook, so I know what she looks like - I feel poisoned. I get out of control rage and feel like spewing.

ThePickledGerbil · 27/01/2012 11:38

wobbly I am absolutely outraged on your behalf for what your h's therapist has advised, absolutely disgusting!

But it has reminded me of something else; the guilt and feeling of inadequecy that you are not 'over it' within a few weeks/months. After practicalities have been sorted, him staying or going etc., there is the expectation from family/ friends/ your partner that the crisis is over, business as usual is resumed. And while day to day jobs/ childcare may get back to normal, YOU will never be the same again. Unless you have the most fantastic friends or use a counsellor, people will get sick of you talking abouting, "milking it" etc.

Within about a month I could see my friends' eyes glazing over and invitations drying up because my H's actions had made me such bad company/miserable so I stfu about it as much as possible and felt inadequete and weak for not getting over it. Even my GP said my response was 'extreme', but that was bullshit, from reading and counselling my reaction was natural and textbook.

People who haven't been through it can NOT understand fully. The good ones will try though.

Abitwobblynow · 29/01/2012 15:07

Thanks, Gerbil, but (trying to be less mental) she could be trying to treat his narcissism first. Who knows. All I know is that I think she is WRONG!!! And that she cocked up!

MaryPoppinsMagic · 29/01/2012 15:25

I have been cheated on, i think like others describe it is like a death of a loved one, the feeling of pain and grief went in different stages...

Firstly it was shock and numbness with disbelief that it was happening to me

Then, i went into meltdown. Not eating, sleeping, drinking or doing anything but sobbing my heart out at the betrayal

then, lonelyness set it that feeling of being empty when i woke in the morning was so painful, like a part of me was missing

and lastly.... ANGER I had the need to get mad and shout, scream and throw stuff and also a feeling of wanting revenge for what had been done to me, i felt alot of anger towards the other women as they were ruining my life, then realised it was the shit of an ex doing the ruining.

LadyMedea · 29/01/2012 16:38

I came across this the other day, was very impressed be the truth of it survivinginfidelity.com/forums.asp?tid=324250 . Good site in general to help both sides understand.... But no contact is the only way to go, wish my DH understood that as then he wouldn't be moving out...

Friendlymum67 · 29/01/2012 17:00

I echo all those who have already posted.

Absolute, cold, gut wrenching shock and fear. The disbelief that the man I loved and had children with, could be so duplictuous, deceitful and downright cruel!! That he was such a coward too - he wanted to leave the night I discovered the affair because he didn't want to face my absolute outrage/shock and how distraught I was.

Even now, nearly 8 years later, I look at him and think he's not the man I married. We share past history, in some ways I know him so well, in other ways, he is a complete stranger to me .......

I hate him for taking away the life I imagined for our DC's, they don't deserve this. His parents are still happily married and so were mine (my df died a few yrs ago) yet thanks to his selfish, self absorbed behaviour, in an instant our lives were turned upside down.

My DF cried for me and what the future held. Even when he discovered his prognosis was terminal, he thoughts were for me and how I would cope without him. :( The impact it has on so many people is incomprehendable!!

To this day, I really don't think he has ANY idea of the impact it has had on the children and I. Not sure if he really even cares, if he did, surely he would have thought about it before wrecking everything?! :(

Omgomgomgomg · 29/01/2012 18:15

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Abitwobblynow · 31/01/2012 19:35

Fantastic link, thanks.

I was able to use it to tell notsodearH that I felt betrayed by his IC and the old-fashioned and outdated advice she gave him.

He read it in silence and sulked off to bed. But at least he read it.

wiseoldowl · 31/01/2012 20:49

Everything Gerbil,Family & Wobbly said. & Friendly:I hate him for taking away the life I imagined for our DC's, they don't deserve this. His parents are still happily married and so were mine how true
The hurt,the pain,the sleepless nights. The guilt about the DCs,the impact on other family members. The torture of wondering how long it had been going on, thinking about them together,,,plotting to split up my family.
I am stronger now, I will not let those horrible people who I thought I knew ruin my life, I HAVE to make a better life for myself, to learn to trust again.

DonkeyTeapot · 31/01/2012 21:00

Even thinking back to that time is still hurtful, and reading this thread brings a lot of it back, even though it happened eight years ago. We'd been married about four years. I accepted him completely, exactly as he was, with all of his faults and shortcomings, and I thought he did the same for me.

Bracing myself to go out in public, feeling like everyone was looking at me. It was like I'd taken off a layer of skin over my whole body.

The worst thing was dreaming about him, and crying in my sleep til my own sobbing woke me up.

LiarsWife · 31/01/2012 21:11

The way he treated me as though I was an idiot and let him convince me that my gut feeling that he was up to no good was wrong. This for me is the worst part.

The fact that he threatens to move back into my home when I don't do what he wants after he totally fcked me over .. the fact that when I found the flirty texts and warned him if he was unfaithful it would be over and he did it anyway , the fact he went on fake training, fake conferences, fake shopping trips (popping into town when in fact he was popping into her)

Someone in work said it was like a bereavement but I think it is unfortunate that it isn't!!!