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Help me get some perspective please....

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dana4nyc · 26/01/2012 11:23

Hi all,

I am a regualr lurker and have posted a few times. I really need some help getting my head round an event that took place 6 months ago between my mother and myself. This could be long so I will try my very best to include only the most important and relevant information.

My parents and I have always been close. My mother has always been an extremely difficult person to live with, very moody, depressed and not very nice. She never had any close friends, and her link to the outside world was through me as she rarely ever left the house. I moved to the UK in April 2008 and my husband and I married in May 2008. Our first child was born in 2010 and my parents came here for her birth (this was in March 2010). My mother's defense mechanism when she is hurting has always been to be cruel and start fights. She was horrible at my wedding, rude to everyone in attendance, fought with my Dad (made him sleep on a sunbed b/c she locked him out of their room), she embarrassed me tremendoulsy but I made excuses for her and she got away with it. On their trip here to the UK for my DD's birth she was OK until the last day when she picked a silly fight with me b/c I apparently used a "tone" to my voice when I spoke to her, so the last night there was spent in anger.

At the end of June 2011 my DD and I travelled to the states for a visit (I was approx. 22 weeks pregnant at the time). After a very stressful 9 hour flight, almost 3 hours queuing for customs and getting our bags, then a 3 hour drive to my sister's house to meet up with my mother, then another 1 1/2 drive to my parent's house we made it to where we would be staying for the majority of our visit. As you can imagine I was very tired and stressed and wanted nothing more than to get DD to bed and then go to bed myself. DD didn't sleep well so we were up early hours. I was exhausted and not feeling very chatty and my mother barely spoke to either of us that morning until the following incident occurred:

She walked straight up to my face and shouted at me these exact words - "If you can't even be civil to me then you just need to pack your shit and go back home." To this point, I had spent 32 years letting her walk all over me and I had had enough. I told her ok and I immediately got on the phone to the airline to schedule a return flight home. As I was packing mine & DD's bags and taking them downstairs she got into my face at the top of the stairs (DD - 15 months old at the time) was climbing up the stairs and was about halfway up. I asked her to please leave me alone as I was doing what she told me to do. She would not leave me alone, was shouting at me and her face was so close to mine she was spitting on me. I mumbled that she really was psycho and then she hit me square in the face. She then grabbed my shoulders and tried to push me down the stairs. I admit that I then completely lost my mind. I got her away from me and hit her and scratched up her face pretty badly. DD was screaming and I ran and scooped her up. My mother then hits me with such force that I lost my grip on my DD and she slipped and I thankfully caught her around her neck. I had to wait several hours to be picked up by a friend but while we were waiting she locked DD & I out of the house in 100 degree heat (we were in Alabama) with nothing to drink.

I must also add that my mother tried to commit suicide in June 2010 she she does have severe mental health issues.

There is loads more to this story that I can add but I am going on and on. The point is basically that my father has taken my mother's side and both parents haven't contacted me in 6 months. No questions about their grandchildren (my DS was born in Nov. 2011). I received an email from my father on my bday (Aug 2011), it was a one line email and I received an email again after the birth of DS, again a one line email, but he congratulated me on the birth of Colin, which is not my DS's name.

My mother is toxic and I do not ever want a relationship with her again but the rejection from my father hurts terribly and the lack of care for his grandchildren breaks my heart a little more every day.

I'm not sure what I'm wanting to get out of this post, I know I was wrong calling her psycho and hitting her back in retaliation but I just saw red. If I could go back in time I would take it all back, I would just walk away after she threw the first blow. The terrified screams of my DD just pushed me over the edge.

Should I reach out to my father? Is this all my fault? I have a wonderful DH, 2 beautiful children and a fantastic MIL & FIL but my heart feels so heavy. I feel rejected by the people that are supposed to love me no matter what. I spent so long being told by my Dad that he knows how difficult my mother is and that she has serious problems to him telling me that I need to seek help for what I did to her. It's like he thinks that what she did was OK. I am so sad and confused about it all.

Sorry for writing a total novel. I'm pretty sure no one will have read this far but it feels a bit better writing it all down.

Thanks for reading.

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squeakytoy · 26/01/2012 11:39

That sounds horrific, and you really shouldnt feel guilty for defending yourself, even if your mum has mental health issues, your own safety was compromised and your children too.

I imagine your dad has a very tough life if your mum is almost constantly on the edge of sanity like this, but I would try to keep a line of communication open with him.

Is it possible that your mum vets his email and he struggles to get in touch without it causing huge problems for him with her perhaps?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/01/2012 11:39

Hi

Well I've read it all and it certainly sounds like both your parents are toxic and dysfunctional (certainly your mother and you have commented she has MH issues). People from dysfunctional families end up play roles and your Dad has likely now chosen the role of bystander within it; i.e acts purely out of self preservation and want of a quiet life. Its no point reaching out to such people as they don't want to know or face their own shortcomings as people or parents. I doubt very much for instance you have received any semblance of any apology from either parent. Toxic parents do not take any responsibility for their actions nor apologise for them.

I would not let your Dad off the hook here either; two one line e-mails from him is frankly pathetic. He would not bring anything positive into your childrens' lives let alone your own (he got your child;s name wrong) and is therefore not someone I would want to maintain any sort of relationship with now. You would not tolerate this from a friend; family are truly no different.

Children now adults of toxic parents are often caught in the FOG - fear, obligation and guilt. I think you are caught in this and counselling for your own self would be perhaps helpful now. BACP are good and do not cost a fortune.

You did not, repeat not make them this way. Your mother's own childhood was likely to have been an abusive one. You did not cause that to happen to her. Your mother also goaded you and started that argument; you acted yourself out of self preservation.

Smellslikecatspee · 26/01/2012 11:45

Sorry I?m a very slow at typing so hopefully someone with more experience will be along to give advice.

All I would say from reading your email is that I can understand why you are hurt as you said your parents are meant to love and support you, but your experience is showing differently.

Be honest, if it had been a stranger who had attacked you in this manner you would have had them arrested. I don?t think your reaction was wrong your instinct was to protect your daughter and your unborn son came to the fore.

That is normal!

Your father seems to be used to being controlled and /or enabling her and expecting you to do so as well and in his own way is as bad as her. You have now bucked this trend. He should have protected you from these issues when you were a child. Having mental health issues is not an excuse for abuse.

I think that you are starting to realise that in his own way he was as much a problem as your mother, but a part of you doesn?t want to believe this and you are trying to give him chances to ?prove? himself.

And that must hurt so much.

I am very sorry that you have had these experiences; I wish I could do something to help, but I can say there are some very wise posters on here who will give you excellent advice.

I hope that someday you can work through this and be fully happy

dana4nyc · 26/01/2012 18:58

Thank you all for taking the time to reply. Smellslikecatspee, I think you are completely right by saying my dad is an enabler, I have always felt that way. Growing up I was constantly told this little gem - "you know how your mother is" any time she did anything remotely cruel or said anything harsh to me. She always criticised me in small ways, constantly picking on me about the way I plucked my eyebrows, if I had a spot, if my roots were a bit grown out, she ALWAYS had to point things like that out but I never said anything, just grinned and beared it because that was just "her way". No one ever put her in her place, told her she was cruel, she was just allowed to treat everyone like shit whenever she felt like it. I will write more later but the baby is screaming so I need to go for now.

Thank you all again for reading, it's nice to know there are other people out there (besides my DH & in laws) who don't think I am totally to blame.

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RunningWithSharpScissors · 26/01/2012 21:26

This must be truly horrible for you, I don't have any advice for you, but I just wanted to say that I can't see how you could be to blame in any way.
I'm sure there's a thread on here somewhere to help people with toxic parents - it's called something to do with 'stately homes' I think ? But I'm sure someone with more experience will be along to offer some wise advice soon.

oikopolis · 26/01/2012 21:47

dana you have nothing to feel guilty about. Your mother assaulted you and terrified your child, and your father is more concerned with having a quiet life than he is with doing the right thing.

Deep down you're probably more angry (rightfully so) with your dad than you realise right now. He could have chosen to stand by you, but he didn't, because he preferred to please his wife. That's not how a mature, healthy father behaves. He did wrong by you. You deserved more than that from him.

Both your mother and father sound really ill. Frequently MH issues are shared in couples, or the healthy spouse develops subtle MH issues in defence against the existing MH issues of the "sicker" partner. And they don't sound like they're interested in changing that. That is not your fault or your responsibility.

I'm sorry your parents have let you down so so badly. You really deserved better than that, both as a child and now as an adult. Your little ones deserve more too. The pain of that is sometimes really difficult to bear, but please know that none of this is your fault (sometimes that makes the pain feel worse, because your suffering is so unfair... but eventually that feeling fades).

Invest your time, attention and love into your little family and your ILs. Try to get some counselling to put your r/s with your parents to bed... one day you will be able to maintain a good distance from them, while still being open to contact if they initiate it. It will be ok. You sound like a devoted mother and wife, and a lovely person. I wish your parents had been better to you. I hope you find solace in the good people you have in your life x

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