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Relate counselling broken down - where next?

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midlandsmother · 25/01/2012 09:34

So me and DP have been going to Relate counselling. To keep a long story short, one of the points of contention between us is his brother, who has no girlfriend or family of his own and comes round to ours virtually everyday, and furthermore is often aggressive and abusive towards us. In the last few months he has also started to harrass me, following me home etc. My partner just won't or can't do anything about it, he makes excuses for him all the time like he's depressed.

The Relate counsellor advised us to compromise on how often we see him - of course I would happily never see him again, except at family occasions like weddings and funerals, whereas my partner wants him to continue to visit us regularly - and we came up with an agreement that he could come round once a week on a fixed day, e.g. Tuesdays. My partner told him about this (and he's had a mardy and not been round since) but it hasn't stopped him hassling me. So last week I rang Women's Aid for some advice. The woman I spoke to was completely shocked that Relate had advised us to compromise, particularly as he has physically threatened me one time. She made me see that it's perfectly reasonable of me to not want him in my house and some things have to be deal-breakers.

So I lost faith in the Relate counsellor, understandably right? And yesterday I phoned Relate to request another counsellor. I was put through to a supervisor who asked why I wanted to change counsellor. Initially I just said coz it's not working out but she pushed and pushed and in the end I was completely honest and said because I felt the counsellor gave us poor advice, told her all about the situation and the conflicting advice WA gave me about it. She then very snittily said that I have to make up my own mind about what to do, and I said oh don't worry, I have - I was never comfortable with this whole compromise thing and talking to WA has made me realise that that's ok. She said, again really snittily, well, why don't you be bold and in your next session tell your current counsellor you think she gave you rubbish advice and get it all out in the open? She then said we could have another counsellor but we'd have to start again from scratch. I said because of the financial implications of starting over (Relate is damn expensive) I'd have to think about it. I then put down the phone and burst into tears.

She made me feel so stupid, like I was making a fuss about nothing. As did the counsellor and as does my DP. The only person I feel has really listened to and understood where I'm coming from is the woman at WA.

When DP got home I told him all about it and we agreed not to go anymore - we can't afford to start over and if I don't trust the counsellor there's no point. DP wasn't overly bothered about going, he (unbelievably) feels we don't need it - it was my initiative.

I feel like I'm now trapped in an unhappy relationship with no means to make things better. His brother is not the only problem we have. Regarding that, I've told DP I won't have him in the house. DP said he would think about it. At some point brother dearest will come out of his mardy and start trying to come round again and then I don't know what will happen. I know that if he harasses me again sod family harmony - I'm calling the police.

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nectarina · 25/01/2012 09:55

Harrassment is not the sort of thing you can compomise on - WA lady is spot on. You would be totally justified if you go to the police if DB harrasses you again.
As for issues between you and DH, understandably he would be feeling caught in the middle, but its not good that he doesn't put your safety first.

midlandsmother · 25/01/2012 11:02

Thank you nectarina. I'm just desperate to talk to somebody about all this. There is nobody I can talk to in RL except DP's sister-in-law and she doesn't "want to take sides". The thing is, if you have relationship problems you go to Relate, don't you? They are supposedly the gold standard when it comes to relationship counselling. So if it doesn't work out with them where do you go? I really don't want my family to break down. For one thing I want more children. The thought of splitting up with DP and starting all over again with somebody else is terrifying, exhausting and frankly seems implausible (having children has fucked my body up and I've just been hurt too many times by men - I haven't got any emotional energy left to go out there and kiss thousands of frogs in order to find a prince).

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midlandsmother · 25/01/2012 11:04

But I can't carry on as things are.

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RoughShooting · 25/01/2012 11:11

Check out relationship counsellors on www.bacp.org.uk. I found Relate to be worse than useless, whereas the independent counsellor we found here was amazing.

Please don't get pregnant while you have these issues going on. It may be that you can resolve them, and you can move forward in your relationship to a place where it's a good idea to have more children, but as it stands now it seems to me that staying with a twat just so you have the chance of more children is really not a good plan.

nectarina · 25/01/2012 11:26

I understand how you feel - i bet you're feeling let down by what seems the last option available. But its not the the only solution to working things out - you can do this by yourself. And you seem like someone capable of seeing things clearly.
If i were you i'd say to dh that i felt threatened etc by db, and although i understand it must be hard on him caught in the middle, i can't have db in the house anymore. Then gauge his reactions - does he seem to genuinely take on board what you're saying? Does he respect your wishes when you've told him calmly and clearly that you can't put up with this anymore Because if he doesn't the this would be a big problem for me - as regards to db AND other areas of the relathionship.
How does he deal with other problems in relationship?

I'd second not getting pregnant whilst things are difficult. Try not to let the issue cloud your judgement either.

midlandsmother · 25/01/2012 11:46

Yes, I've told DP numerous times how uncomfortable DB makes me feel. His way of dealing with problems is to bury his head in the sand and pretend they're not there. If I try to raise issues with him he gets very defensive. Quite often he tells me I'm being "over-sensitive". I feel a lot of the time that he's indifferent to how I feel.

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midlandsmother · 25/01/2012 12:12

RoughShooting, guess you meant to post a link to the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy - I've just realised their website is www.bacp.co.uk/

Thank you anyway.

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nectarina · 25/01/2012 12:28

Again if it was me, I'd tell him that I find it hard having a relationship with someone who doesn't take my feelings seriously. I'd tell him that if he wasn't going to put me first for a change then I'd feel obliged to look after myself - and then I would look after myself and go to the police to talk over the situation. I wouldn't wait until another incident occurs I'd report past issues.
What would DH do if you did this?

nectarina · 25/01/2012 12:33

Sorry I mean't to add
what would DH do - would he be angry or secretly relieved? You said before that he can get aggressive with both of you. I imagine that Dh has normalised DB's behaviour so he doesn't realise the impact it might have on others.

Ilovedaintynuts · 25/01/2012 12:34

I think you are projecting blame onto the woman from Relate when in fact you are angry with your DH.

He should be protecting you. Any normal husband would be furious that you were bring followed and harassed.

I don't think it is reasonable that your DH is 'caught in the middle'. You feel unsafe. That should be his overwhelming priority.

I sadly can't see how your relationship could recover from this.

nectarina · 25/01/2012 12:39

daintynuts - Sounds to me like DH has problems of his own relating to family, and won't address his own feelings, let alone the feelings of others. Does he acknowledge his problems or not? Would he agree to counselling? I agree I'd find it hard to be with someone like that but I'm not OP.

MaMattoo · 25/01/2012 12:53

It might be that he is unable to resolve issues with his family. This might have something to do in the past you might not be aware of. In calling the police you shall take the issue out of your control but that might not resolve anything.
I am sorry that I am being very helpful here but I have a DH who has similar 'blind spots'' with his family putting our happiness and that of our child at risk. He lacks the ability to say 'no' to any member of his own immediate and extended family. It has caused issues in our marriage as I have built up resentment about this and it manifests itself in other ways.
What I am trying to say is - you will have to find a solution yourself. Do what makes you feel right and if it means leaving he house when the brother comes in - so be it. And call the police if you want to. Be safe. Don't rely on husbands ability or intention to protect because some have a complete loss of perspective and/or critic analysis when it comes to their own family.
Hth in some way?

RockinD · 25/01/2012 13:21

A small point, but surely it is not the function of a counsellor to give advice.

D

midlandsmother · 25/01/2012 13:59

Thank everybody for your thoughts. Yes, DP is totally unable to say no to his family. Many years ago he tried to commit suicide (had split up with a long-term girlfriend, was homeless, jobless, drinking too much and doing too many drugs) and as a result was left with long-term health problems - he admits freely that he feels very guilty for the worry and stress he has put his family through. It has always seemed to me that he is scared of conflict and confronting problems because he is worried about going back to the dark place that led him to do that. (Would just like to add that he hasn't touched drugs or alcohol since and has completely turned his life around, including going to university as a mature student, building a successful professional career and being a great dad). He didn't have much counselling at the time - the hospital made him see somebody who met him just twice before decreeing that he'd acted on a spur-of-the-moment decision and didn't need to be there. So yeah, he should quite possibly have some individual counselling!

Don't worry, I'm not going to rely on DP to protect me and will call the police if I have to.

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midlandsmother · 25/01/2012 14:01

Sorry, that should have been thank you.

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DCgirl · 25/01/2012 17:48

You should encourage him to go for individual counselling and then maybe have couples counselling when he's through with that.

sternface · 25/01/2012 18:36

I don't think you're projecting your anger on to Relate. I think you're justifiably angry about being let down by your DP and Relate and they are two separate sets of angry emotions. Personally, I would report your experience to their Board of Trustees and make an official complaint with Relate HQ, because they have in all probability acted against their own policies about safety first.

If your DP's brother were not harassing you, I'd suggest you advised your DP to see him outside of your home, pursuing a relationship with him without your involvement. However, that's not going to work in this case and you are in danger from this man. Your DP is putting your safety far below his relationship with his brother and by staying in the firing line, you're putting your relationship with DP above your own safety. I think it's ultimatum time then - for DP: you or his brother and for you: safety or your relationship.

springaroundthecorner · 26/01/2012 07:18

I agree with the other posters about finding a different counsellor. Personally I dont think Relate are the gold standard. Have a search around on the BACP website and read information about counsellors in your area. Go by instinct, and choose one and give them a call. A good counsellor will give you a free initial consultation anyway and you can see if you are suited and go from there. I had this advice from a friend who is a counsellor and it worked for me. Good luck with it

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