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shame and guilt - long

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howdiditcometothis · 24/01/2012 16:16

I am engulfed with guilt and shame for my actions (in short ? an emotional affair that got physical twice ? backstory
) and I expect that I will always feel this way. I?ve ruined my life and trashed my wedding vows and we will never recover from it.

Sorry for using this place to vent. It has been a safe place for me to do that in the past and people have given me so much to think about previously and helped me to order my thinking (as well as some deserved b***ings).

Recognising the damage that I?ve done and the pain I have caused and continue to cause haunts me. I?ve spent a lot of time trying to redirect my energy and pouring my attention into my family life. Things have improved to a point I didn?t think we could get back to. Having come this far I can see that the relationship is salvageable and that is what I must do for everyone. This is a step forward from the brink I was on where I was definitive about wanting out and wanting to be on my own. If we can make it work it will be so much better for DD (3).

So, to the present. I cannot bring myself to be intimate with DH. I can see that he is attractive and I want to be able to be intimate because I can see that it will help to heal things and without that intimacy, the relationship will surely never survive. We are now into years plural rather than months since. I have quite a physical reaction to any suggestion of it (aversion) which I try and suppress. I don?t know why but I suspect it is linked to the guilt and the shame I feel. However hard I try to overcome it, I hit a brick wall.

And there is a pervasive sadness and sense of loss in my life now. I miss the OM although I do not want him in my life. We have extremely little contact now, working towards none at all. I cannot shake a sense of responsibility for him and what has happened to his life in the last 2 years. We have met up twioce in the last 9 months and each time was painful in the sense of sharing an understanding of the awfulness of our actions. These were not meetings to regress to what had happened but to try and make sense of it. He expressed anger at himself, at me at our mutual stupidity and selfishness. He talked about the impact of his actions on his family and how disgusted he is with himself. How he feels unable to get over the fact that he crossed such a moral line. How much he believes in marriage and how he cannot believe how he could be capable of messing with two marriages. He talked of completely losing it with someone who was attached who he (maybe mistakenly) felt was coming onto him. Verbally assaulted her in rage at the prospect of it. We both have struggled with previously thinking of ourselves as good people and not feeling like we have any solid ground under our feet any longer. If we were capable of adultery, what hope is there. I?ve sat and cried with him. Sad, stupid, selfish fools in crisis finding solace together. He says that he does not know what he can be to me. Best to withdraw altogether but we have both found it difficult to make the definitive and final push away. We both know that there is no future of any kind for us and nor do we deserve one but it is hard to push away somebody altogether that you feel understands you so well. We can?t be friends to each other and we certainly can?t be ?more? but for all that I pray to find the strength to never ever see him again in any capacity. He is clear that he would never ever cross any line with me. There is no sense in it. I miss him more for his friendship and advice and guidance, wit and sharp thinking than for any of the other stuff. I know I have to leave it be but it is very difficult when it feels like the best friend you?ve ever had who can read you and see right into you is so toxic to you. Meeting him ruined my life but the disgust I feel at my actions cannot bring me to hate him or even dislike him.

So many lies and damage done. The shame I feel is like a burning sensation in my chest. It wakes me up in the night and makes me want to throw up when I catch sight of DH or DD on certain days.

I?ve tried to tell DH but I?m too much of a coward to force the rest of the truth on him. To admit that I fell deeply in love with somebody else. That the pain of not seeing him has caused me to question my sanity at times. That I became a bad person as a result of it.

I?ve made progress with my DD in the last year, I?ve found a better balance with work and home. I feel a better mum for it although I still loathe myself for what has happened.

I know that the guilt and the shame are part of the punishment and I know I don?t deserve anything different but I want to heal things, I want a better future and more stable home for my DD and I want to try and repair some of the damage I?ve done.

OP posts:
DearBeirdre · 25/01/2012 12:22

Having read through the OP - and the OP's subsequent posts - I would suggest that it probably isn't going to be in anyone's long-term interests for her to stay with her DH.

Let me say firstly that what I am about to say is not intended as an attack on the OP - it is just my objective assessment as a stranger on the internet, based purely on what I have read in this thread:

The marriage is doomed to failure because the OP is trying to make it work for the wrong reasons.

OP, if you are being completely honest with yourself, would you say that you want the marriage to work because you dearly love your husband, or is it more about being seen to be "doing the right thing" because you have a young DD?

"Having come this far I can see that the relationship is salvageable and that is what I must do for everyone"

"Salvageable"?
"What I must do..."?

Well, I'm sure your DH couldn't help but feel a glowing sense of optimism if only he knew how wholeheartedly and enthusiastically you felt about rebuilding your relationship with him...

From what you have written I would personally conclude that the guilt seems to be a form of self-validation, in that you can tell yourself you are a good person, because you feel so ashamed.
As for the desire to make things work, this sounds more "obligation" than "desire". Could you honestly say you would be fighting to save this marriage if there was no DD in the equation - and consequently no fear of being seen as the homewrecker?

Children are not stupid - growing up watching an unhappy parent in a loveless marriage isn't the best thing for DD.

I do hope I am wrong and that you do want to make the marriage work because DH is the man you love and want to spend your life with. If this is the case, start by cutting all contact with OM. If you cannot bring yourself to do this, I think that will tell you all you need to know about where your true feelings lie.

ilovemyteddy · 25/01/2012 13:31

Howdi I remember your other threads and am sorry to see you posting again after all this time with your situation seemingly no further forward than it was when you first posted over a year ago.

Most of what I wanted to say to you has already been said on this thread, but the thing that hasn't been discussed on this thread, is the fact that DH has been physically threatening to you and, the last time you posted, you talked about how you were the main breadwinner and that DH wasn't bothering to look for a job. You hadn't told him about a potential serious illness that you were facing, nor about a promotion you had achieved at work. There was a serious inbalance in your relationship and a total lack of communication and I wonder if that has changed at all.

To slightly paraphrase what Vander said "One needs to decide once and for all to put the happiness of someone else above your own pain....the definition of love [is] what you will sacrifice for that person."

Do you think DH is 'worth' that sacrifice? Or is it just easier to stay? Do you want to be seen to be "doing the right thing" as DearBeidre says? I remember posting to you before that you seemed to be committed more to the institution of marriage than to your marriage. Nothing you have posted here has changed my mind on that.

Oikopolis picked up on your deep-seated self-loathing and that is something else that you really need to deal with, Howdi. You need to accept that good people do bad things, but that it's what we take from that experience that keeps us being 'good' people who made bad choices. You really need to understand your motivation in continuing to live your life like this. Stop sacrificing yourself on the altar of guilt for what you have done, and are continuing to do.

tb said "Perhaps in some weird way you feel that you are being unfaithful to the OM by resuming your sex life with DH." IME that's how I felt after my affair ended, certainly until I stopped grieving for OM. Because you have not ended your affair you are still detaching yourself in order to give yourself permission to cheat with OM, if not physically then definitely emotionally. Maybe also sex with DH seems dirty and sordid because you are continuing to lie to him about your continued contact with OM. Maybe you have lost your respect for DH because you see him as a 'victim' in all of this?

I am truly amazed at the wisdom of many of the posters on this thread. I have read alot about infidelity and posted, in the three years since my first affair ended, on many threads both here and elsewhere, but I am struck by the many insightful comments on this thread. It makes me realise that I still have a lot to learn!

SirSugar · 25/01/2012 18:35

Unfortunatley, there is going to be no way out of this situation where no one gets hurt; your DH, You, OM. But, you are all protagonists in different ways so don't waste more time on carrying the blame squarely on your own shoulders.

The only thing you have control over is yourself.

We can all sit here behind the screens and be a moral compass, but each persons take on your situation is based in their own experience.

People stay together, people run off with each other, people go it alone; the main thing to remember is that commitment is a choice and you can chose where your commitment lies then act upon that.

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