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Who's right?

40 replies

hyperbeans · 20/01/2012 11:35

History:

FIRST OFF, I want to make it clear that non of us have children, but use
and lurk on the site as I am aware that the people on MN are very wise souls.

History: we are all in our early twenties and me, dp and dps best mate are currently house sharing/renting. We are all at uni. (final year)

DP's best mate also has a gf that is the same age as me, dp and dps friend being 3 years older.

DP is lovely, has had alot of issues in the past, some of which earlier last year I wrote about on MN, and although the general consensous was "get rid" he has sought professional help and made dramatic improvements which have improved our lives for the better, and appreciates at times he was really unfair on me and has done everything currently in his power to put things right. I am also very proud of the changes he has made. I realise I am not perfect too, and have many faults. DP is obviously loyal to his mate, having known him from uni for 3 years,and lived with him for 3 years. DP is also going through the assesment process for a suspected condition.

DPs best mate is on the whole, a lovely guy. He will often cook meals for us both (but normally involves typical student diet of chips, so not saying he's a jamie oliver :P) ,we have really good chats whether we are with him together,or chat on one to one. He can be really lovely and generally has his head screwed on. BUT. He does have issues that he needs to address, namely not raging over the top at frustrating situations.

All of us have lived away from home for the last 3 years. The closest is 85 miles away, the furthest nearly 200. I go home probably between every 2-6 weeks, they only see their 'rents in the summer, easter and christmas. I am a home bird and like to see my family every so often, but as much as I love them I get itchy feet if I'm back for more than a week or 2. All of us work, and I am on a placement as part of my course that involves getting up just before 6 and coming back just before 6. DP and DPs mate work about 3 days a week as well as studying.

DPS best mate, lets call him "A". A's girlfriend lives (lets call her B) at home as she goes to the same uni, and is in her final year, but only lives in the next county. She pays for her food at home, and her pets expenses.

All of us come from relativelyMC backgrounds.

B is lovely and I really get on with her due to shared interests and just how geuinely nice she is. We can tell eachother anything. We were both severely bullied at school for learning differences. She was home ed from 11-16, and then went to college. She admits she can be very insecure at times and has been diagnosed with severe anxiety (and has had proffessional help). She gets badly homesick if she is away for more than a couple of days and has panic attacks. However, she has not told A about her diagnosis (not saying it excuses her behaviour, but if she told B, perhaps he might be able to help her help herself). Also, more about this will be revealed below.

Me and DP think as long as they iron out some issues (like we have done) think they are very much suited and good for eachother.

DP and A have a mutual friend that lived i n the next corridor to them in the first year. Lets call her C.

I must say, I didn't initially warm to C. I have made a huge effort, but she just seems rude, oversteps the line alot and generally gets on me and Bs tits. However I havent let DP or A know this as I didnt want to hurt them and thought they would think I was overeacting, so I still try to invite her to flat getogethers, although I constantly think that C thinks I'm a bit of a snob.

Anyhow. C is a bit borderline chavvy. She has quite a history of trying to get in with 'taken' men, and according to various sources, will do anything she needs to get there. B knows this. A always has said he hates cheating but C can do no wrong and is constantly seen in rose tinted specs according to B.

B is worried that C's next target is A as: (hope this isnt too confusing!)

  • When A apparently came back to B's parents for christmas, B's parents prepared him a 3 course "welcome home" meal, and obviously told him to save himself. However, on the way up (long journey) he stopped off at Cs, and C made him a homecooked meal, meaning that A couldnt eat Bs family meal, cue B being pissed off.
  • A has constantly said to B that C is someone he can confide in, despite the fact B is aware that if A moans about her to C, C will turn it around like "Oh, so B never lets you do xyz? Oh so B never lets you go out with your friends? Oh so B is jealous? Oh so B still hasn't lost her V plates to you yet (that one had me frothing at the mouth as you can imagine!)?

-B has had random people come up to her in clubs and say "Oh so I hear you keep A on a tight leash?" "Oh I hear you're frigid?" " Oh I hear you never want A to go out with friends?". B has had texts from random numbers that is of this sort of theme. So C must be the one spreading nasty stuff, unless its A which I would find very hard to imagine.

Which is of course horrible.

-B has also spotted texts from C on As phone (on his phone even if its locked you still get to read the beggining of the message) saying form A to C "Yay got some" and texts from C to A saying "Finally!"

  • A gets VERY protective of his phone. It has a pin on it so even if she wanted to read the rest she couldnt (not that she says she should)

_compared to me and DP where both of us pick up and send messages for eachother, and even randomely text eachothers mates from the others phone as a joke (nothing horrible!)

  • B has seen As parents an amount that can be counted on one hand. They have been toggether for a year. We have been together for nearly 2 and saw more of eachothers parents in the first month than them in the first year
  • Which leads us on to the next point
  • B doesnt feel that close to As parents as when B goes down to As they hardly talk. B initially said she was fine to go down for a couple of days to As before christmas to celebrate there, but got called into work, so A saw that as making excuses.
  • A then told C, and then B got asked byC why dont you like As parents and are so controlling.
  • The other day, when I was at work DP and A went out for lunch. C happened to be in the area so joined them. A didnt invite B, despite her wanting to go out to this particular place for ages. That caused friction when B asked whether they fancied meeting up even if it was just for 10 mins and A replied no im busy having lunch with my mates.

-A is aware that B can be unreasonably demanding at times (and as her mate have told her she is which she says is fair)and is aware that he was spending less time with dp who felt a bit put out. A said to B he didnt want to let his mates down.

  • B was thinking about going out one night and asked whether A fancied up for it. A siad he had work to do. B said fair enough. B rang him late that night to see how he was getting on, when A replied he was out with C and DP
  • B will arrange things with A but occassionally has been dropped for C
  • B isnt a jealous person- it just seems to be this C she feels funny about( for example, A will throw me in something for dinner occasionally if DP is at work, will offer paracetomal if not feeling great, and he feels as though hhe can talk to me about private stuff. )so she isnt funny about me and him if you get what i mean.

-A once got really drunk and pushed B over in a club because she apparently ignored him although was unsure whether he was half shoved

-Both DP and me believe both of their behaviour detoriotates when drunk

  • C will often cook things and have A come to her house alone, and if B calls he wont answer
  • B cant feel as though she can tell A about her dx because she feels it will get back to C and C will hurt her in some way
  • when B and A are together A will say to B that C only says lovely things about her, but I know A and C will joke about B or poke fun at her if she isnt there.

Whos right? What would you do?

OP posts:
hyperbeans · 20/01/2012 11:42

Should B be worried? Is A overstepping a line that would make you uncomfortable?

OP posts:
Helltotheno · 20/01/2012 11:44

That's one helluva long post!

But if I get the gist of it, all I'll say is this. Firstly, it's not really anything you can do anything about because you're not directly involved... what I'm saying is things will play out the way they're going to play out, with or without you.

Secondly, if this C person has form for robbing peoples' men, she will probably attempt to rob B, if that's not already happened. Nowt you can do about it really.

Thirdly, A and B don't sound suited, and it's defo be a red light if their behaviour deteriorates when drunk... but again, that's up to them, not you.

Leave well along is my advice to you girl.

Helltotheno · 20/01/2012 11:45

alone of course :)

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 20/01/2012 11:47

Honestly? Report this thread and repost it with about 1/8 of the information you've posted here and you might stand a chance of actually getting some replies.

FWIW I did manage to read all this through (slow morning at work) and all I have gleaned is that you have two friends and you think he might be cheating on her. He might be, he might not be, but it's not your business and I don't understand why you're getting involved. If this blows up, no matter how well-meaning you are, nobody will thank you for it.

hyperbeans · 20/01/2012 11:48

Thanks, I have been trying very hard to let them just get on with it! Doesnt stop me form messanger eyeroll. Maybe I need to start my own daytime tv show, move over jerry springer. Its sad because C has only came into the picture more intensly recently, at the beginning B just found it funny and laughed it off. sigh

OP posts:
RoloTamasi · 20/01/2012 11:50

The man has to take the chicken in the boat first, and leave the fox and the grain on the shore. Then he comes back, takes the fox with him, and takes the chicken back. Next he takes the grain with him and leaves the chicken, leaves the grain with the fox, and comes back. Finally he takes the chicken to the other side.

BuenTiempo · 20/01/2012 11:51

sorry too long to read

Conflugenglugen · 20/01/2012 11:51

No, hyperbeans, I don't think they are suited at all, and I can't see it is going to end well.

What interests me more, though, is your very long and detailed post about two other people, and I'm wondering what it is that you aren't saying, if anything ... if there is, perhaps, something between the lines - maybe about you and your partner. It is sometimes easier to focus your attention on the minutiae of another partnership as a way of dealing with your own by proxy. I might be wrong, but hey ho.

hyperbeans · 20/01/2012 11:53

dickiedavisthunderthighs, I havent said he might be. I just have said some bits and bobs, I might feel uncomfortable if I was in the same situation. I know very well B loves A to bits and the feeling is VERY mutual. All I'm wondering here would it be reasonable for B to ask A to distance himself from C when they have arguments. Bloody hell! Not accusing anyone of anything, they are both lovely people with faults but I thought about if i was in that situation, and realise I may not be the most independent source of neutrality! I am close to both A and B, but I suspect A may be crossing a line here, and I know B needs to back off a bit.:)

OP posts:
TooEasilyTempted · 20/01/2012 11:56

Here's what I think:

You clearly don't like C;

B is not stupid, she suspects something is going on with A and C;

You need to keep your nose out and your opinions to yourself. Offer a listening ear to B, but your clear dislike of C will colour any opinions or advice you may offer which could make the situation between A and B worse.

hyperbeans · 20/01/2012 11:56

Conflugenglugen , appreciate your view point, and you may well be right, but we are both close to A and B but don't want to see them upset, all I am asking whether you would worry in the same situation.

OP posts:
hyperbeans · 20/01/2012 11:57

TooEasilyTempted- Very true, and I am aware of this.

OP posts:
LunarRose · 20/01/2012 11:58

Ok so let me get this straight, both A and C seem to be overstepping the line totally. B seems totally to not actually be in a very nice relationship with A.

A seems an utterly awful bit of work. I would advise B to dump A, I think I would probably be backing out of the relationship with A a bit too. A and C deserve each other. But be there for C when it all goes wrong....

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 20/01/2012 12:00

OK, I understand that, but it's down to B to deal with this, not you.

They are your friends, but their relationship is NOT your concern. YOUR relationship is your concern and this is where I second what Conflugenglugen said, and I think you need to consider that.
You've made this massive post, bumped it, and also posted a link on AIBU pointing to it, and it's not even your problem.

You seriously need to back off.

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 12:00

good lord

kill C

LunarRose · 20/01/2012 12:01

actually reminds me very much of a 3 way relationship I ended up in my teen, only I was C and ended up with B after B and A broke up. turns out my A was an emotionally abusive twat - noone around had realised, but he certainly made B's emotional issues an awful lot worse

youcantpolishaturd · 20/01/2012 12:03

Hmmm. Whilst I agree with others you are getting too involved, I also think there is some serious BS modding going on and yes you are right, like others have said, you are never going to be neutral!

ShirleyForAllSeasons · 20/01/2012 12:07

D is the problem here.

Helltotheno · 20/01/2012 12:10

kill C
Bwah-ha-ha! problem solved...

LadyGahGah · 20/01/2012 12:12

Sorry I got bored reading the opBlush ....that's a first for me!! I think your relationship is all you need to care about....will read it fully later...v long btw

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 12:12

Algebra.

Pah.

SeaweedNK · 20/01/2012 12:18

When I was at Uni I was too busy having a good time to write essays about my friends wacky relationship issues. Wouldn't have entered my head to lurk and post on a site about ttc/pregnancy/parenting either.

Maybe you need some more 'outside interests and hobbies'??

LunarRose · 20/01/2012 12:24

helltotheno - I would have to disagree, kill A and you'll probably get along a lot better with B and C and DP, infact even B and C might even get on!!!

MooncupGoddess · 20/01/2012 12:27

Oh God I remember all the student relationship dramas. It all seems so intense and important at the time. I used to get drawn in and spend ages agonising over this sort of thing when actually it was nothing to do with me.

OP - sorry to sound like a patronising old bag, but you need to work out your boundaries - be sympathetic and supportive by all means, but don't let your own life get overshadowed by other people's emotional dramas.

Hullygully · 20/01/2012 12:28

You are all young and students.

Why the fuck aren't you all drunk and full of E and having an orgy instead of all couply and dull?

What a waste.

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