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Difficult relationship with mother - am I overreacting? (sorry - epic vent)

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70sLadygarden · 06/01/2012 11:41

I've been an infrequent mumsnetter for years but always find the advice on here really helpful.
My mum has always been quite tricky to deal with. She had me at 20 and she and my dad got married while she was pregnent, although this had never been mentioned ( did the maths aged 10!).
I don't have many warm memories of childhood - my first memory is of being told off for playing with the child next door when i was forbidden as mum had fallen out with the childs mother. Mum often seemed angry and easily upset. We were often walking on eggshells around her.
She was (and still is ) horrrible to my dad - speaks to him rudely, criticises him. They have never seemed to really like each other - no affection towards each other. She doesn't have any friends and any new friends she gets she soon falls out with,

As a teenager I did not confide in her or talk to her about any problems growing up as i didn't trust her or value her opinion. She was either overbearing with her advice or disengaged. She was quite critical, rarely praised. She took offence if you did not take her advice. If I confided in her, I would be fearful of it being thrown back in my face, which it often did. I realise now that she was depressed for most of my childhood, ESP my teenage years.

At the same time, she had a difficult relationship with her own family and ended up cutting off her brother and sister about 20 years ago. At a similar time, the brother and sister cut off their mother. I don't know why exactly but there had been mistrust between them all for years which culminated in a falling out about inheritance. She hates them quite openly. Says her brother bullied her as a child. Wished her mother dead to my face several times. I know she feels that she was a victims of their bad behaviour, that her mother didn't protect her from bullying brother.

During my twenties I had a distant but ok relationship with her. She left my dad, twice, both times by leaving without telling us where she was going. Both times she had bought a house and moved into it without telling anybody. The second time she bought the house with a man. I saw her occasionally and made it clear ( i think) that i unsderstood why she left but did not agree with the way she had done it. I never had a go at her about anything she had done. I woudn't dare plus I could see it was the behaviour of a damaged person.

I got engaged in 1999 and at the same time her relationship with the other man ended and my dad took her back. I was very upset about them getting back together as they had never got on and had by this time been sparated for 7 years. But they did and I have had one conversation with each of them about it - both claim at they only got back because the other cannot cope financially without them and it is for this reason alone.

I got married to a lovely DH and we have 3 children and for the last 10 years my mum has been a brilliant grandmother. It has brought out the best in her. I still limit what I say to her but the children and our mutual interests such as books and gardening have provided enough fodder for an acceptable relationship.She seems to have occasional depressive episodes still but they are blips rather than long episodes.

However, she has recently fallen out with yet another friend due to alleged bullying. It has triggered a new depressive episode which seems to be worse. I have advised her to have some counselling as I feel that the bullying she says she experienced as a child has scarred her. She thinks everyone is going to treat her the same way. She accepts this is a pattern but also thinks she is right to look for bullying tendencies in people and challenge them about them. She is paranoid I think and at the stage of depression where she is blaming everyone's else for her unhappiness. She came to see me before Xmas saying she was on beta blockers as the stress of living its my dad was unbearable. She can't sleep.

I have always felt quite sorry for my mum and have excused her behaviour because of her upbringing. But since this latest episode i don't really like my mum. I think she's now reaping what she has sowed. She recognises some of her behaviour but not the effect it has on other people. She always looks for people's faults but does not shine e same harsh light on herself. She has started criticising her GC (who adore her) with a comment on boxing day to my db's girlfriend ' grandaughter is a bit cheeky and does't look you in the eye but is not a bad kid really. ' is this a bad thing to say or am I overreacting?

So sorry for long post. Very cathartic!

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CleopatrasAsp · 06/01/2012 12:48

I just want to say that you aren't responsible for your mum or for her happiness. She is an unhappy woman but that is largely through her own choices - yes, she may have had an unhappy childhood but she has not sought counselling to help her cope with it, ditto her relationship with your dad. You also had an unhappy childhood (largely due to her) and yet you sound lovely and seem to have a functional family unit. You only get one life, if you really can't cope with your mum then limit the amount of time you spend with her. You don't have to like or 'mend' adult relatives, give yourself a break.

70sLadygarden · 06/01/2012 16:14

Thanks cleopatra. I know you're right. Had a difficult time with her at Xmas for the first time in years and it has churned things up again. I guess I'm worried about her repeating history with my DC.
Thanks again. xxx

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lesley33 · 06/01/2012 16:32

Waht she said to her GC wasn't wonderful, but really not that bad. I think it is all the very difficult times you have had with her that is influencing how you reacted to this. Probably wise to keep to the distant relationship you have had with her in the past.

Mollydoggerson · 06/01/2012 16:41

She sounds lonely and insecure. Can you communicate to her in some way that you want to show her love but it upsets and alienates you when she criticises your children.

She probably lashes out or critices those who are most dear to her, those she feels comfortable with.

jollyoldstnickschick · 06/01/2012 16:44

I agree with the others .....I admire the way you have obviously tried to understand your mums behaviours and your acceptance -your post isnt all woe is me.

I think you need to concentrate on your feelings and your family and keep your relationship with your mother distanced and 'surface'.

It might be an idea to let DD know that her grandmother can say things without thinking and without reason so not to take anything to heart.

70sLadygarden · 06/01/2012 17:20

Thankyou everybody. She is lonely and insecure, I think because she finds fault with people and then drives them away before they can hurt her.

She has no contact with her family and has fallen out with all of my dad's family - in every case it is because she thinks they are horrible to her or conspiring against her.

She sees sinister behavior in everyone, even her own grandchildren. The boxing day comment was fairly innocuous but she had also said to me recently that she thinks my kids take advantage of me and that I don't notice it.

I do wear rose coloured specs where my kids are concerned (who doesn't??!!) but i know this is not true. I get plenty of compliments about how lovely they are.
I will try and carry on praising the good with her and respectfully ask her to refrain from criticizing DC or anyone for that matter. Thanks again everyone. Xxxx

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mathanxiety · 07/01/2012 08:08

She sounds like a typical narcissist if she can dish it but can't take it, is paranoid (thinks everything is always about her, sees sinister motives behind innocuous behaviour even of small children), has a string of relationships in shambles behind her, is trying to introduce doubts into your mind about your children's behaviour (perhaps out of jealousy of your good relationship with them and her feeling of being sidelined).

The way you have shielded yourself throughout your younger life from her (by keeping your distance and not sharing your life with her) is a defence mechanism against emotional vampirism that you seem to have instinctively stumbled upon. Make sure you limit contact between her and the DCs as a Narcissist can do a lot of damage to young children.

70sLadygarden · 08/01/2012 23:17

Mathanxiety - thanks for your comment. I have read about NPD before and thought it too harsh a diagnosis of my mum's behavior. But reading the 'narcisstic traits' section of your link - we're ticking all the boxes bar one! Blimey. What a revelation. I think she may have inherited it from her mum, as well as the treatment she received from her siblings. Lots of food for thought. Hope I haven't inherited it. I
Thanks again.

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