Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

excuses for abuses (long, sorry.)

18 replies

Zombi · 05/01/2012 09:59

My Husband has recently started on his journey in bettering himself. He finally sought help for his temper a few months ago and was put on pills to stop him getting angry (Fail).

I could use some support and advice as to what to do. I feel very vulnerable, embarrassed, scared and guilty posting about this so please, please try to be kind.

I've put up with it for so long (Nearly 9 years) because I love the man and because I suppose I'm used to it as I came from a dysfunctional home. Dad has drink problems, Mum enables it and my childhood was shocking. I'm also disabled and was widely bullied at home and in the community and to this day I have to deal with snide, smart-ass remarks about me. I also have to deal with my parents being in deniak about my life and making me feel guilty for my feelings.

It's transferred to adulthood because I've always felt immensely guily about feeling badly toward my husband dor his actions and he is also unable to take responsibility for them.

BUT

I have been in therapy for a year and my wonderful psychologist has helped me to gain the self-confidence that I was never raised to have.

My disability (partial sight) was used as a weapon against me by my Mum to ensure my dependence on her. She never taught me to cook but I could make her coffee from age 7.

She was horrified and shocked when I moved out at 19 after another violent altercation with my Dad. I met now DH 3 weeks after moving out and we ''clicked'' from the get-go.

While I've always thought of him as my best friend, our relationship has been me trying to get him to stop yelling at me. He has hit me before kids and once when pregnant with DD1.

Since then, it's been verbal abuse and thumping around with him getting offended by me calling him out for it.

Constantly trying to gague his moods so I can see if it's OK to ask him a question has become too much. He says I'm strong because I stand up to him but I'm as far from strong as you can get. Shouting the odds and saying what you think is acceptable isn't strong. SHOWING him by kicking him out would b strong. Having 4 babies in 4 years with a man who would speak to me this way is about as far away from strong as you can get.

He finally went for help when I told him that I was turning into my Mother by putting my kids through this and had to stand up for them if not for me, no matter what that meant.

He already went for help 2 years ago and skipped the appointment and things went back to normal (shouting at me / the kids / throwing his weight around)

The last bit of very bad was when he almost thumped me in front of the kids three weeks ago because he was just awake and I asked him where he'd put D1's school tights. And this is him ON meds.

Yesterday was the day of his appointment. He went mental at me over my casuallu complaining about being cold.

After his appointment yesterday we had a long talk. I think an impartial ear has done him at least temporary good. He's notr had the easiest of lives himself and I told him that this would only work if he was doing it for HIM and no-one else. He says he is, that he is hopeful and is glad and greatful to have me still with him through it.

I also said that I was becoming aware that I am in an abusive relationship and that I had the strength to kick him out if I had to. I also said that had he not gone to his appointment I would have asked him to leave yesterday. I brought up him almost hitting me the other week and he was very sorry but I said that I thought all of the physical violence was in the past and now I'm not so sure.

I said that I don't trust him because he lies about things and only tells the truth during a fight. He is manipulative and I have found that love is not enough.

I really don't know where to go from here. I'm his wife but I've felt for a while now that I'm excited about the prospect of living a life free from having to tiptoe around him instead of being afraid of raising the kids alone.

He is an otherwise wonderful man. He cleans, cooks and is generally fabulous with the children. He is also capable of being very loving and kind. At our wedding last year he kept saying how much he loved me and how beautiful I was even with a 6 month old baby bump draped in white! He cried with emotion the whole time (Yes, I'm sure he wasn't miserable lol)

What am I do do if he has an outburst in the meantime? How do I decide what degree of shouting is worthy of him getting voted off the island? I'd suggest living apart for a bit but he has literally nowhere else to go. It's fast not becoming my problem any more though. I'm 28 and I'm not spending the next 28 years being the same little victim.

I don't want the relationship to end. I just want the abuse to stop. I know he loves me and I love him. The children have great relationships with him too. But it is them I need to have the strength to consider first and foremost.

Everyone knows about his temper. His mum and a lot of my family, most of whom have been a great support in helping with the kids.

I wrote all the bad stuff through the years on paper and it looks horrific. There is much I haven't mentioned here. If I was reading it like someone else wrote it I'd tell her to run a mile! Easy to say when it's someone else's life though.

Is there any hope for our family? One minute I love him more than I can say and the next I hate hate hate him for all of it. For doing it. For making me feel like leaving him.

Please help. Thank you for reading. And pray that I have the strength to use this thread to map the situation instead of getting scared and guilty and having MNHQ delete it.

OP posts:
cestlavielife · 05/01/2012 10:09

you've recognized the situation for what it is.
abusers dont abuse 24/7.
look up "cycle of abuse" love/hate/remorse/love/hate/remorse etc

no where for him to go?
let him find somewhere

"good dad" - well he can be all that while you live aprt and share childcare.

get yourself to a counsellor one on one and discuss issues and strategies -call womens aid etc. (see links at top of relationships forum)

"What am I do do if he has an outburst in the meantime?"
you leave or have him leave the house.
set your boundaries.

read about the violent deaths of (mostly) women over the holidays - many of those murderers were described as "an otherwise wonderful man." being otherwise wonderful does not make up for hitting you and being verbally abusive. you know that. the only way to stop it is to get out. protect your DC.

Zombi · 05/01/2012 10:15

Cestla I have a therapist. It's only through her that I have been able to remove the rose-tinted specs.

OP posts:
Zombi · 05/01/2012 10:17

He's also hinted in the past at using my disability as a means to keep the children. I couldn't bear that.

OP posts:
Zombi · 05/01/2012 10:20

You're right that I should read about other women. It might help me.

OP posts:
Besom · 05/01/2012 10:29

Zombi - I think you can use the fact that he is physically abusive and has been given psychotropic medication with regard to his anger to keep the children. Your disability is not relevant.

Your post sounds very insightful and I think you have reached a point of change. You have spelled it out to him - it is his responsibility if he chooses to act abusively towards you. He has no-one to blame but himself if you ask him to leave. I think you should read lots about abusive behaviour, and discuss more with your therapist in order to set your boundaries as the previous poster said, and then stick to them.

There are many, many people on MN who are or have been in similar circumstances. I wonder if you should ask to get this changed to relationships and you may get more responses.

Best wishes to you X

Zombi · 05/01/2012 10:36

besom I actually thought about having it moved. Thanks. He's not on psychotropics as such but heart meds to stop his heart beating too fast.

I'm glad I have my blackberry as I can browse the web about this stuff in a non restricted way. I have wanted to get help for a long time but I have always been afraid he'd find out.

I will continue to plan things with my therapist.

OP posts:
cestlavielife · 05/01/2012 11:54

cant see how heart meds will prevent anger to be honest...sounds like an inbuilt trait and if he does not seek direct help to develop strategies to deal with his anger then he will continue to have outbursts.

if you are caring for the children now then the "worst" would be 50/50 joint care.

KatMumsnet · 05/01/2012 11:55

Hi OP, we've moved this into Relationships for you.

Zombi · 05/01/2012 12:19

cestla tge meds are to stop his heart from beating to fast in an attemp to help him thibk before he acts. He IS seeking direct help. As I have mentioned in my OP, his first appointment with the psychiatric team was yesterday.

Kat thanks.

OP posts:
Zombi · 05/01/2012 12:21

Gah. Bad spelling sorry.

OP posts:
RudolphthePinkNosedReindeer · 05/01/2012 12:23

Welcome to Relationships. Have a look on the abuse support thread, I will bump it as I'm too tired to link Smile I think there might be hope for your relationship as at least he seems to be acknowledging his problems and you are making a stand, and you are both still young.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 05/01/2012 12:29

"Is there any hope for our family? One minute I love him more than I can say and the next I hate hate hate him for all of it. For doing it. For making me feel like leaving him."

I wanted to say that your dilemma is normal. Heart vs Head. When we've committed to someone and invested so much time and emotion and love in them, I think it's fairly natural to want to be optimistic, think they can change with our help, grab hold of those times when they are being 'a wonderful man' and want it to carry on that way. If you're the kind of person that wants to believe that 'love conquers all' and wants to see the best in others I don't think that's a bad thing at all.

And then there's the flip-side that you're being subjected to bad behaviour, anger, threats and all the rest. You've worked out that it's unacceptable to live life frightened of accidentally triggering another episode. You've told the person that it's unacceptable. You're doing all the right things, in fact.... including looking at yourself from the outside and realising that 'run a mile' is damn good advice :)

The only way I found to reconcile the two was to spend time apart. (He did it for me, ironically, by meeting someone new but that's a whole other sob-story.) The longer I had away from this angry person, the more I realised how much I'd been compromising my needs, tiptoeing on eggshells all the time, hoping for the best and so on. The longer we spent apart the more I appreciated that I was actually OK solo... better than OK, in fact, and my confidence grew 100%. It was really tough to start with - almost a grieving process for the good times, feelings of failure, of the terrible waste - but, once his influence lifted it was like the sun came out.

Good luck

cestlavielife · 05/01/2012 14:17

ah ok so he is seeking help. what did psychiatric team diagnose if anything (you dont have to answer specifically on here but you do need to know... )

thing is you are not obliged to live with bad behaviour while he undergoing treatment. (if they are actively treating?)

he could stay with a friend or elsewhere and visit when he is well. for the amount of time he knows he can control himself..

boundary setting - immediate strategies needed -if he feels angry he leaves the house for a walk that kind of thing,

tho as cogito says, sometimes it is only after you take some time apart you realise how much this behaviour drains you... and you can then make the decision whether to have him back in your life full time or not. and it takes some picking apart to identify ok this behaviour is due to some "condition" for which he getting treatment but maybe some of his behaviour is more deep rooted than that...

"he almost thumped me in front of the kids three weeks ago because he was just awake and I asked him where he'd put D1's school tights"

that - you just cannot live with someone who may blow at anything.

sure give him a chance to not do that anymore but go for a "one more of that and you out" approach. doesnt mean you ending everything but make it clear what you will and wont tolerate in your home and in front of your DC.

if he recognizes something is wrong and is actively seeking to address it then he should be open to discussing all this.

NettleTea · 05/01/2012 14:42

I second reading through the emotional abuse threads - they link back over several threads. The links at the top are very useful, but reading of others experiences is often far more helpful because its easier to understand than sometimes clinical and objective views.
A good book is the often mentione 'why does he do that' by Lundy Bancroft.
It is good that he is recognising that he has a problem, so long as he accepts that it is HIS problem and that no one else is to blame for his behaviour. If it stems from childhood then he needs help to deal with that too, and that MAY have some bearing on his lying - he may have self esteem problems which make him fear the truth.
On the other hand he may be a classic abusive partner, which is why reading up is helpful, as well as the help you are getting from therapy. The very quick involvement, displays of looking so 'wonderful' (ie at the wedding) in front of others, and the threat to use your disability to take the kids are red flags that immediately jump out at me.
The advice above is very good. Time will tell whether the sorry words and treatment for anger are genuine, or mearly a ploy to keep you sucked in with hope. They are unable to keep up the act full time for very long. I think Bancroft says that basically thereis a tolerance level of zero for any abusive behaviour for men professing to want to change - one mistake and you're out. Otherwise you find it creeping up on you again and before you know it they are worse than before, but also know the tricks from therapy!
Probably the best thing is that you already know that you could live quite happily without him, and that you are willing to do so if nothing improves. Alot of women are scared to do this. This puts you in a great position of power. Keep that power!

fuzzynavel · 05/01/2012 15:25

OP. You need to tell him to leave first and foremost. If he is willing to commit to changing he will do this whilst going through treatment.

struwelpeter · 05/01/2012 15:56

Use your counsellor to the max to discuss more of what is going on. He has seized on what you perceive to be your own vulnerability - your disability - and is using it against you, which is abusive. Maybe he is scared, maybe he can't cope but he needs to sort himself out and not turn his anger on to you. And he needs to do that away from you.
The reading list on the emotional abuse thread as well as the posts are invaluable into getting some insight.
Cogito really sums up the dilemma, it's not easy.

oikopolis · 05/01/2012 16:03

Zombi I have no advice for you, but wanted to say that you sound an amazing, whip-smart, strong, extremely self-aware person. How wonderful that you found a good psychologist who's helped you see your own worth. Obviously it's a journey and you still have a way to go, but it's wonderful to hear how far you've come within yourself, all on your own steam and with very little support.

Your children are lucky to have you. Yes, they've suffered and seen things they shouldn't have, but they've also had you. And watching you get stronger and take back power over your life is going to change them profoundly, for the better.

Good for you & good luck, you will find a lot of support here x

neuroticmumof3 · 05/01/2012 18:31

The only help this man should be seeking out is a domestic abuse perpetrator programme. He doesn't abuse you because his heart beat is too fast to allow him to think before he thumps you. He doesn't abuse you because he's angry. He doesn't abuse you because he (may) have a psychiatric condition. He abuses you because he is a controlling and abusive arse. Unfortunately women with disabilities are about 7x more likely to live with domestic abuse than non disabled women. I know you say you don't want the relationship to end but in all honesty that's probably the only way the abuse is going to stop. It sounds as though you're ready to start making changes in your life, call Women's Aid and they will help you to end this relationship safely. By abusing you in front of your children he is also abusing them. Social services would help and support you to leave him/get him out of the house in order to protect your children, although it's scary you could ring your local SS and ask for their assistance. You don't need to do this alone, there are lots of people and services in RL for people in your situation.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page