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The justice system is so rubbish

18 replies

babyhammock · 05/01/2012 00:15

I have an abusive ex (emotionally, verbally, financially, sexually, physically). Twice now he has issued proceedings against me with devastating conseqences for me and DS. I then spend a huge amount of time proving he's lying, gathering evidence, witnesses etc. Incredibly stressful. Proving the truth beyond all doubt as much as I can. Then it eventually gets to the actual hearing, he decides to drop whatever it is just before the hearing, to cut a long story short, as the truth (if it would ever be heard) would show him to be a total psycho. Then all the evidence becomes irrelevant. The judge doesn't even look at the stuff which proves he's a lying abusive arsehole and he comes across like the good guy prepared to let it drop and I'm left reeling. Months of hell for nothing everytime :(.

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Summer2012 · 05/01/2012 00:20

Hello baby, What are your -arses- , ex's accusations?

Some people can be utter shytes. Angry on your behalf x

babyhammock · 05/01/2012 00:35

Thanks summer x
I Pm'd you with the details.... don't want to out myself!
There's loads more, but I'd be here all day. I just can't believe the way things are..

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catherinea1971 · 05/01/2012 08:59

Hi Baby, I totally sympathise, my ex has had me back and forth to court for 8 years now. The justice system is so annoying you don't seem to be able to get your point across, they don't seem to care....although I have found it much better since I have been acting as a LIP, at least now I can try and get my point across. Ex keeps taking me back for failure to comply with the orders from the divorce, threatening me with prison....I can't comply because he isn't and so it goes on!

Good luck it is just another way of keeping some control by these twatish excuses for men!

ArtVandelay · 05/01/2012 09:06

I don't much about this kind of this but didn't legislation come in about stopping people making malicious proceedings like this? Or is that just stopping giving them legal aid?

fiventhree · 05/01/2012 09:11

Art, I used to think this too, but my SIL's horrible and controlling nutty ex has managed to get the children living with him, since they are too nervous not to take sides with him. SIL is a nursery nurse and quiet and kind, and he is a nutcase with a criminal record.

So just goes to show!

singingprincess · 05/01/2012 09:13

Yes my first abusive xh did this to me....for years, with the added driving force of my mother to gee him along if he started to flag.

I ended up representing myself as it cost me tens of thousand and I simply ran out of money.

I ended up with complete contempt for the courts, especially the family court...what a pile of shite, I even simply got up ad walked out of one hearing, declaring that it was completely pointless to go over the same stuff YET AGAIN! Nothing happened, nobody cared.

Eventually, he gave up, but even though the courts get pissed off with abusers using the court to further abuse their victims, they let them carry on, over and over and over again.

This should be highlighted by the courts, it should not be a route to further abuse victims...and the courts KNOW what these men are doing!

catherinea1971 · 05/01/2012 09:13

They call them vexatious litigants I believe and little is done to be fair... the judge who has been presiding over the case my ex keeps bringing back to court is well aware of ex's game, but ex never turns up to court himself, he sends his solicitor.....a different solicitor from the same firm by the way as every time were are in court the solicitors try once again to put across ex's crap case and get shot down in flames by the judge, the last time it was a male solicitor, he got really heated with the judge who threatened him with contempt! But still the crap goes on.

singingprincess · 05/01/2012 09:17

My solicitor suggested something about some route to stop it, which would have got axh a contempt conviction, but was never prepared to go down that route, eve when I said that that was what I wanted....which is why I dumped the solicitor.

Maybe it was because axh was a probation officer and it would have affected his job...Like I cared!

babyhammock · 05/01/2012 09:22

catherinea1971
Thankyou. Yes I was representing myself too.. but you still aren't allowed to hardly speak. The truth seems to be irrelevant. Yup just all about control.

ArtVandelay, thankyou too. The thing is he starts proceedings that he has no chance or even intention of winning then drops it at the last minute and the evidence doesn't get heard.... and is then irrelevant.
Trying to prove they are malicious is impossible when this keeps happening. No one is interested :(. I thought yesterday was so water tight with regards to what he was doing, but the judge hardly looked at it.

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babyhammock · 05/01/2012 09:26

Just read all the other posts.
Thanks to all of you and so sorry its not just my experience. Its a joke isn't it :(

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TheGoldRoad · 05/01/2012 09:33

I have also been through this. Three years my case went on, so similar to the replies so far. It's very spooky because at the time you think you're the only one going through it etc yet everyone's story seems so familiar.

I always remember the judge who presided over my case, every directions hearing he would say "yes, yes Mr.Fuckface, I understand you are frustrated and hurt" , and just falling short of hugging him Hmm yet the judge at the finding of fact found against him and basically he was a fucked up psycho. I remember being so angry that all the findings were practically ignored and I was made out to be the one in the wrong.

I was dragged through drug tests, accused of sending the kids to schol with no shoes on, not feeding them, DNA tests right at the end of the hearing (as a last ditch attempt to give him a legitimate excuse to give up) as if I would have gone through those three years if my do we're not his Angry

Even though the whole case should have been about him proving he could be a good dad and be trusted with contact, instead it became all about making me out to be a bad parent, all of which the judge went alon with, until CAFCASS said hang on, we are not reporting etc until mr. Fuckface completes the things set out by the finding of fact hearing - psych assessment, domestic violence perpetrator programme, accept and understand what he'd done and write Xmas cards and letters to dc to ease him into the contact he apparently so badly wanted.

The upshot being when CAFCASS went to his house he just gave it all up. Never did find out the exact reason or what went on but it came down to : either do the orders or give up.

The tears of relief, unbelievable.

Aargh sorry tis so long!! Blush

babyhammock · 05/01/2012 09:47

TheGoldRoad That's really awful. So glad it worked out in the end. Bet it took a long time to get over x

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Seabright · 05/01/2012 09:59

Can you have him declared to be a vexatious litigant?

Seabright · 05/01/2012 10:01

this might help too.

singingprincess · 05/01/2012 10:19

Yes, their motivation seems to be to prove what terrible mothers we are, and nothing whatever to do with contact or children's welfare.

It's like everything else with domestic abuse...the perpetrators are so similar in their behaviour, and language...this use of the courts is almost part of the pathology! And yet, as with the proposals to include coercive control.....the rest of society seems to be in the dark ages!

There is enough research and information on the behaviour of abusers now, it's time it was brought to the attention of the wider society, and it's institutions,such as the courts.

There was a debate on having a mumsnet campaign on this, and this should and would be the kind of thing that could and should be highlighted.

singingprincess · 05/01/2012 10:20

....and don't get me started on CAFCASS.....Grrrrrrrrrrr.

neuroticmumof3 · 05/01/2012 18:39

Unfortunately it seems to be quite easy for abusive men to pursue and harass their victims through the legal system. They never seem to be held accountable for their actions or the impact it has on their ex partners and children. I keep thinking about doing a research project on the subject but as I'm not currently at uni I'm not sure if I can ifyswim. The family courts do seem to be spectacularly poor at protectiong women and children from this type of secondary abuse.

TheGoldRoad · 06/01/2012 09:44

I'm currently doing my dissertation on male perpetrators of domestic violence and how there is so little attention on them throughout society but in the Criminal Justice System generally.

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