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So sad right now. opinions/advice?

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Reggaegirl · 02/01/2012 20:26

Hello I've namechanged and I'm looking for a bit of advice I guess.

Bit of background - we've been together for 6 years, not married but lived together since preg with DC1. 2 DC aged 4 and 2 years. Usual ups and downs with DC behaviors, who is responsible for what, struggles with in-laws etc and also a period of 6 months where P was unemployed and drinking too much just after DC2 was born which caused heartache and turmoil but that has been knocked on the head and he is now self-employed running a business which is doing OK.

In October though everything came to a head as we have been having really bad arguments since he started his business 2 years ago, coinciding with the birth of DC2. Basically, he was very rarely actually at home. He was always working. Literally he was working 15 hours a day 7 days a week (well coming in for a big lunchbreak at lunchtime so prob 12 hours of actual work a day but I'm at work then anyway). The DC never saw him in the house with me, never saw us as a couple really because it was just "handover time" if one of us had the kids. Never ate dinner together except on special occasions like birthdays. He would leave at 7am every morning and not back until at least 9pm when kids are already in bed. I begged and begged him to cut down his hours, I got suspicious of an affair etc but that was largely assuaged by being able to call him at work (you can hear the unmistakable 'work' noises in the background due to what he works as) so I knew he was actually there. He never did so in Oct I finally had it with feeling lonely and neglected and him never seeing the DC unless for 5-10mins which really hurt. So I asked him to leave. I felt I had tried my hardest to get him to see sense and just ran out of steam and the resentment was unhealthy.

He went to his parents only 5 miles away, and I basically became a single parent to all intents and purposes. It hurt like hell, but started to feel better and more normal after a while. he would see the DC as frequently as he did before (ie hardly ever) - usually just picking them up from activities etc and driving them home was the extent of it.

So just before Christmas it seemed he had a change of heart. I actually had a wobble and phoned him crying one night and he started crying too on the phone and promised to change things and come back. The stipulations were/are :

He has to come home early enough to see the DC and have dinner here at least 3 nights a week, and plan one holiday a year with us.

He has to agree to come home early to look after DC if I want to go out sometimes instead of always moaning about not being able to be oncall to work.

So we set a date of him coming back and starting the new 'rules' at the end of this week (ie after 5th Jan) as Christmas and NY is busy for his work.

Christmas was great - he spent the whole day with us from 2am on the 24th to boxing day and he bought lots of food and spent 5 hours in the kitchen cooking dinner. New Year was also good - he asked his dad to babysit and took me out at 8pm and then left for work next day after he collected DC and brought them back.

But...... it still seems to me like he is not serious about making these changes to be at home more. I've made it very clear to him that there is no way I'm going back into this if he doesn't keep it up consistently because there's no way in hell the kids are growing up never seeing their parents together and barely seeing their father. The 4 year old has already started saying things like "daddy lives at work" to the 2 year old Shock. So I think it would be preferable for them if we were clearly separated and they knew he lived with their grandparents and not to have stressed fighting parents (right now they can't tell much difference tbh because he has always left before they wake at 7.30 and not been in til after their bed). he knows all this. We spoke about it on new year eve too and i asked again. Yes he said. But he didn't seem sincere somehow, I can't put my finger on it. And since yesterday afternoon his phone has been switched off. I just don't think it's reasonable to have a phone switched off for well over 24 hours when you have 2 kids depending on you - what happens if he needs to be contacted in an emergency? his parents have no phone, they just use that skype. I know he will say I'm being unreasonable, but this is a common occurence recently - not for whole days - but for like 12 hours his phone will be off - him uncontactable. He will then say the battery was dead etc. Bullshit - you keep your phone charged you don't leave it off for that long when you have kids if it's your only method of being contacted. maybe a few hours yes, or overnight even whilst charging, not all day. I get delivery reports so I know if I text him at 7pm and it doesn't deliver until the next day at lunchtime Shock.

This doesn't seem like the actions of someone determined to be in more and a better "family" person, does it? Sad

Apologies for the super long post, I just feel so sad at the moment and have been analysing this too much. I know about deal breakers etc and no regular time as a family is most certainly mine now, so I know what I'll have to do if this doesn't materialize or he makes excuses about work etc. I did say no excuses - that I'm prepared to deal with long work hours as long as that regular time is carved out of dinner with me and DC then helping put them to bed and spending time together 3 nights a week -but no excuses cause other self employed people manage to carve out a little time. I just don't want to be hurt again Sad I feel like I've let him in again for him to hurt me all over again.

Any wise words? If you have got this far that is! x

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loosyloo · 02/01/2012 20:29

starting up your own business sometimes takes long long hours and dedication

Reggaegirl · 02/01/2012 20:29

Oh, and just to say also - I did think he was drinking a lot again maybe and trying to hide it - that crossed my mind - however I don't think so. i think the drinking was caused by him being made redundant when i was pregnant and feeling down about himself and bored due to not working. He has been employed in what he is doing now for a good while and he wouldn't be able to get away with drinking there I don't think - He drives for work and operates machinery and has co-workers there on shifts 95% of the time someone else is around at his work.

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Reggaegirl · 02/01/2012 20:32

I know loosyloo, but not 15 hours 7 days a week for 2 years surely?! Missing all your youngest childs milestones, counting on one hand the number of dinners had with family, and basically being absent from all aspects of your partner and kids life? surely? eeeek.

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chubbasmum · 02/01/2012 20:37

sounds like he still has alot of growing up to do i dont think its a good idea for you two to get back together because its only day two and he has broken his promise already, he will hurt you all over again :(

RudolphthePinkNosedReindeer · 02/01/2012 20:39

You are jumping your fences a little early if this arrangement is not due to start till Jan 5th. Can't you give him the benefit of the doubt for a while?

RudolphthePinkNosedReindeer · 02/01/2012 20:40

But yes, as the DC's father he should be contactable.

Reggaegirl · 02/01/2012 20:42

yeah chubbasmum, that's how I feel Sad

He is not actually supposed to be coming back to live here until this Saturday because of various practical arrangements on both sides. So not really 2 days in (yet), but I have that feeling of dread now.... fear of being hurt again I guess. I don't think it's right for him in any case, especially having (apparently) made that commitment, to have had phone switched off since yesterday afternoon when he has 2 kids here and is therefore uncontactable in case of anything happening.

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RachyRach30 · 02/01/2012 20:45

Seems strange. Could there be another woman?

TooEasilyTempted · 02/01/2012 20:47

My DH worked similar to yours for the first 3 years when he set up his own business. It was hard. But now, 5 years on we are reaping the huge benefits of all his work. But like you, effectively I was a single parent for 3 years. You don't sound like you want to stick it out any longer. He's promised he will make the changes you've asked for, are you prepared to give him a chance to go through with his promise?

NotMostPeople · 02/01/2012 20:48

Well I'd say it's down to his attitude rather than the actual number of hours he puts in. My dh works long hours often away from home, but makes it clear that he'd rather be at home, calls & texts every day he's away and not only tries to make it home for all the important events but feels wracked with guilt if he can't. I can cope with that - just. If you are having to beg him to be with his family I'd definitely see it as a problem and feel very hurt not just for myself, but for the dcs too.

Couldn't you agree to try to make it work on a softly soft.y basis so that he comes home three night a week, spends time with you all but continues to stay with his parents? Then when you're ready (both of you) he moves in and if not then you know you've given it a good go.

Reggaegirl · 02/01/2012 20:50

I know when I have the "I need you to keep your phone on most of time in case of anything happening with DC. I shouldn't have to tell you this...please can you make sure it's charged and on?" conversation with him he will say something along the lines of "i'm not a receptionist, you can call "S" (his workmate who usually works same shifts but not always) if it's an emergency. what did they do in the days before mobile phones eh?" or something along those lines and it will be turned into an argument. I don't think he is abusive, I just don't feel inside that he is at all, that he does it on purpose to hurt, but he does have a habit of being a bit selfish and also diverting from some needs I have or things I want to bring up, sort of "taking things off the table" (as I read in a book) or minimizing them - using body language as if to say "discussion now closed" I have felt at times quite silenced. But at times he will listen or change things I need or be supportive. At other times not really. It is strange.

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chubbasmum · 02/01/2012 20:51

he should be there 24-7 for the children, afteral he is the father reguardless of any arrangement

NotMostPeople · 02/01/2012 20:52

Oh and my dh isn't always contactable he's a nightmare for forgetting to charge his phone or leaving it in taxis/the office etc. he will always call eventually, but I just don't think he's wired in the same way as I'd be in the same situation. Also he is genuinely very busy and often puts it on silent or he'd get nothing done.

Reggaegirl · 02/01/2012 21:01

RachyRach I have thought that many times. However, every time I have managed to get hold of him on the phone, he has been at work (machine noises distinctive). I checked his phone Blush on Christmas and nothing suspicious just texts and calls back and forward to me, his parents and his male friends. I asked him non-confrontationally on Christmas night if anything had started or happened with anything else, and he said no way etc - really did look as if he was telling the truth. He hasn't got form for anything like that. So really don't think so, but I'm sure others have said that and been found wrong!

TooEasilyTempted I am willing to see if he will make the changes. Because I do love him, need to give it a chance for kids sake, there is chemistry and love and we do get on brilliantly mostly when he is actually ever here, I just want to have a semblance of a family life. I cannot go on feeling resentful and lonely all the time because he rarely sees us or has a family attitude. He sees his kids like about 10 mins a day if that. That is not right. I cannot go on like that.

I can cope with that - just. If you are having to beg him to be with his family I'd definitely see it as a problem and feel very hurt not just for myself, but for the dcs too - yes Notmostpeople, this is how I feel. I may bring up the other idea. It's just that his parents are expecting money for him living there and he can't continue paying for both sets of bills much longer he says. So this was supposed to be him coming back before I had to apply for single person tax credits etc as I only work 18 hours a week, so couldn't manage on my wage without help and we are not married.

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QuickLookBusy · 02/01/2012 21:11

Reggae, has he actually agreed to leave his phone on for you to beable to contact him?

Reggaegirl · 02/01/2012 21:23

No he always goes on about how he hates phones and modern technology etc. Despite me having told him that I feel he needs to be contactable in case of anything happening with DCs. He has never actually agreed to keep it on , just sort of makes mumbling "mmm..." noises and vaguely nodding head like he is agreeing but not really saying it , if you see what I mean? This trait of his drives me mad. I'm certain he does it just to take issues off the table and not have to discuss them or do anything about them without actually saying that he won't. He has this phase also - "I'll sort something out" which I hate! For example, if I'm working a certain shift I don't usually have to do I will ask him to watch DC2 for a couple of hours well in advance ie I discuss with him on a Monday for the Friday for example. he will usually say "oh well it's not ideal but I'll sort something out" Unless I actually force the issue and get him to agree to doing it (in which case , thankfully, he will do it). But if I leave it at "I'll sort something out" then he will usually 'forget' or say he didn't agree to do it etc . grrrr.

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LesserOfTwoWeevils · 02/01/2012 21:37

Does it have to be all or nothing? Ie does he have to move back in straight away?
Because if he does and it doesn't work out, that will upset your DCs more than if they think he's still living with his parents.
Why can't he just come over in the evenings in the first instance?
It sounds as there are lots of other issues still to sort out.
Fr one thing, he appears to have checked out of any responsibility for his family. All the childcare falls to you, he doesn't co-operate if you ask him to step up and stay with DC2 occasionally, he makes himself unreachable by phone and thinks that's ok...
It doesn't sound as if you've made any progress with that.
Apart from having company sometimes, it sounds as though you're a single parent whether he's physically around or not.

QuickLookBusy · 02/01/2012 21:41

I understand why it would upset you [it would me] but if he hasn't agreed ot do it then you can't really say he's not sticking to things.

I think you need to have a chat with him before he moves back in, just tell him you want to go over everything to make sure you both have the same expectations. Maybe even write it down together then you both know what was agreed.

Also my Dh often says things like "Ill sort that out later" but I just say "sorry I need to now now, can we sort it now please" I don't think there is anything wrong with pining him down.

QuickLookBusy · 02/01/2012 21:42

sorry know now

Reggaegirl · 02/01/2012 22:50

Yeah I do say that , like "no, I need to know now so I can work things out" etc and then he will agree and will do what he says. However, I don't like the trying to get out of things by being non-commital in the first place.

He does pay for and arrange the childminder for DC2, whilst I arrange and pay the afterschool care for DC1. This was agreed because I earn less so afterschool doesn't cost much for me as it's only a few hours a week, but DC2 full day childminder whilst I work the 3 days does cost quite a bit.

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wannaBe · 02/01/2012 23:07

starting and running a business is hard work. And it's not like doing a job where you work for someone else - the responsibility of it all falls to you. What kind of business is it? Is it one where he is working to deadlines etc?

I understand your upset over him not being at home, but in the first few years running a business really does almost take 24/7 commitment because you're building your reputation, your client base etc, and if he's working to deadlines for deliveries he needs to be sure that those deadlines are met.

wrt him not being contactable, while again I do understand your frustration, some people just don't think the same as others, and tbh the point about "what did we do before we had mobile phones" is a valid one. We have entered into a real mindset that people should be contactable 24/7 because technology allows that now. But not everyone wants to be tied to their mobile phone, and I don't actually think that's wrong, as long as there's a way to contact them in a real emergency.

And I wonder deep down whether actually you don't really want him back, because you're already annoyed at him and he hasn't actually done anything wrong other than switch off his mobile phone.

solidgoldbrass · 02/01/2012 23:25

Maybe he's terrified that if he doesn't prioritize his work then his business will fail, particularly given the current economic climate. You do sound a bit demanding.

Appuskidu · 03/01/2012 00:50

Starting up a new business takes a lot of hours-that isn't surprising, though it seems a bit excessive.

I have to say the phone thing wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me though. My DH has only been persuaded to have a mobile in the last few years (eldest DS is 11) as I bought it and top it up for him. He often forgets to take it out with him as he hates the things and if he does-it invariably has no charge! He's not doing it to spite me!!

Didn't you decide that the new regime starts on the 5th though??

QuickLookBusy · 03/01/2012 09:09

I understand there is a lot riding on him coming back. If he doesn't change that will be the end of the relationship So you're desperate for him to change? Is that right?

If so I think you have to have the meeting, clarify everything that you want to be different. Agree together what will change, including the mobile, and then try to relax. Try to give it a few weeks for you both to get back to living together again and working everything out.
He does sound difficult to live with and you do deserve some proper time as a family BUT all he has done wrong since Xmas is not be contactable and he hadn't agreed to change that.
But good luck I really hope he does give you all some time and it ends happily.

chubbasmum · 03/01/2012 09:24

i agree the phone thing is not a deal breaker but any parent knows that you should be available any time for your kids , my dd had a serious accident at school bearing in mind my family lives abroad, tried to ring him he ignored my calls and eventually turned his mobile off.

i can understand starting a business is hard work but he cannot neglect his responsibilities as a father, financially supportive is just as important and surely seeing the kids shouldnt be an issue. I hope that makes sense