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Found out my husband was unfaithful on - kicked him out on Christmas Day

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itallfallsdown · 28/12/2011 20:12

Title says it all really. In August he went out with his mates one night and didn't come back home until the next morning. This is really unusual, I was suspicious but he fed me a story about going back to his mates and falling asleep.

Christmas eve he went out to his works do, the next morning his iphone was charging on the side and he got a message "hi are you up". The msg was from a number not a contact. I knew it was weird because he has all his contacts on his phone and anyone texting him at that time of the morning asking if he was up should be in his phone.

I don't know why but I jotted the number down in my phone and thought I would check it against his online bill later (he doesn't get paper bills and I run all the phone accounts).

You can imagine what I found, numerous calls/texts dating back to August. Some gaps of a few weeks and some days with 40 odd texts (Christmas eve when he was on his works do).

I blocked my phone number and called the number to see if a girl answered and of course it was a girl. I didn't say anything and hung up.

Confronted him and it all came out. He met her in the August up town, went back to her friends house and slept with her. She doesn't come from her and lives up North. He has been in periodic contact with her, sometimes daily sometimes not for weeks since then. He says he's only ever seen her the first night and since then its just been phone contact. He wasn't pursuing a relationship with her, but enjoyed talking to her as a friend because she's 'just nice to talk to'. She thinks he is single with no kids and would be mortified if she knew he was married. I text her to tell her he was married and he was utterly embarrased.

So here we are 3 days later, I think i'm still in shock. Shaking, not eating, it just hits me like a sledgehammer in the chest. He is not here obviously, he comes to see the kids and put them to bed and I go out. We've talked a few times, I was expecting him to be on his knees begging to come back. He has cried and said hes so sorry hes hurt me and ruined the family, but that he doesn't understand why hes done this to me and that 'I don't deserve to be treated like that so he needs time to think things through because his head is a mess'. I'm more shocked by that than anything, why isn't he begging to come home, telling me how much he loves me and misses me. His plan is that he is staying with his mate (I know this is true, he has iphone location services on his phone so I can check where he is any minute of the day), that he really thinks we need to keep talking everyday and see if we can figure out what we're going to do. He has agreed to go to therapy together.

I have no idea what I want, at first I couldn't imagine having him back, but as soon as I realised he was starting to pull away, I started clinging to him coming back. I don't know if I actually want him back or if i'm panicking at the thought of him leaving me.

I know I love him. I don't know if he loves me. I don't know if its even possible to get over something like this, we have both always given each other complete freedom when it comes to going out, pursuing our own interests etc. I don't want to be checking up on him, not letting him out and worried for the next 10 years.

Where the hell do you go from here?

Sorry should say we have been together for 14 years and have 3 small children.

Thanks if you got this far!

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itallfallsdown · 28/12/2011 21:13

Thank you maryz, that is some helpful advice.

I just feel so sad tonight. And almost like hes turned if from being 'if i'll take him back to if he wants to come back'. He keeps banging on about not knowing why he did it and me not deserving him, it stinks of 'its not you its me'

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MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 28/12/2011 21:14

Is that it then? If you let them back, really you're just a big mug and he's going to get better at cheating next time?

I'd say more than likely but not always.

Its up to you to decide if you think he'll never do this again and its up to him to spend his life proving it to you.

perceptionreality · 28/12/2011 21:18

The problem is that he's kept up contact with her for all this time - why?? So there must be some emotional level to this and you won't know if he's finished it with her. I also think it's highly unlikely that he has not seen her since August.

I'm sorry this happened - you must be feeling awful :(

SantieMaggie · 28/12/2011 21:20

So sorry he's done this to you :(

I think you need counselling on your own to get your head straight and then you both need couples counselling to see where you go from here.

It won't be easy at all and it will take a long time before you can completely trust him again.

Shirley Glass does a book called 'not just friends' (i think thats its title) and has been a great support to many people on here including myself. It helps to highlight what you need and what he needs to be doing if you are ever to move forward.

Good luck.

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 28/12/2011 21:36

I'm so sorry you are going through this (been there, done that, wore the t-shirt). It is even more crap that it's now linked to Christmas for you.

What doesn't add up? Do you mean that she had a condom but didn't want a one night stand? If you mean that, then I think it does stand up, just because a single woman has condoms at her house, it doesn't mean she wants a ONS. If she thought he was single, maybe she was just wanting a bit of fun and to arrange another time to meet up, but things got out of hand and they started having sex then it hit her that she really didn't want to be doing that so stopped it... but you only have his word for that. Anyway, it's unimportant isn't it, whether it was 5 seconds or 5 hours, it happened :(

Once you get your head around it, the actual penetration isn't what hurts (well, for me and many others anyway) it's the lying and emotional betrayl.

Give yourself some time. I know what you want to do is hold him close, have sex with him and get things the way they were - sadly it doesn't work like that. The best thing you can do it take some time to work out what you want to do - taking time wont change anything and it's not going to make him rush up there to be with her (and if it did, you'd have your answer anyway wouldn't you?!).

Fluffycloudland77 · 28/12/2011 21:49

From what I have seen yes op, sil put up with it for 17 years, most dh bosses shag the receptionist, get caught out, go home, do it again.

I do know one couple who cheated with each other and are now married with dc and neither has cheated afaik, but we know another who cheated with each other, married had dc, he still cheats.

I'm sure someone will be along who doesnt have this experience though. But if it was me I would have to divorce, I'm not pretending I wouldnt be tempted to stay or that it wouldnt break my heart.

ClaraSage · 28/12/2011 21:50

Is he still in contact with her?

itallfallsdown · 28/12/2011 21:55

Well according to him and his phone bill, no.

But how hard is it to go to a payphone or buy a cheap pay as you go?

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itallfallsdown · 28/12/2011 21:56

I text her to say he was married with 3 kids and I hoped that she didn't know that and if she did that she was fucking ashamed of herself. She didn't reply. I told him and he said 'well she won't, she'll be mortified'

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maleview70 · 28/12/2011 23:10

He is only giving you the bare minimum isn't he! He slept with her once for a couple of minutes but was so taken by her that he felt the need to stay lifelong friends....men just do not do that unless they want to have sex with them again. Why take the risk for a bit of friendship? He has probably done more than he is letting on.

He musnt be happy at home to have done this unless he is a serial cheater which I am assuming he isn't so any counselling might bring up things you won't want to hear!

The "but I love him" line always comes out in these threads and I am sure you have done and want to again. At the moment you should fcking hate him!

Jemma1111 · 28/12/2011 23:41

OP- Your H can't be sorry for his 'one night stand' because if he was generally mortified at cheating on you then theres no way he'd be still in contact with this woman.

I also believe he's seen her more than once and has probably arranged to see her again. He may also have told you that she thought he was single just so that he could protect her from your wrath should you have found out about her. I would guess she knows he's married.

If you take him back I think you may well regret it. You deserve better.

perceptionreality · 29/12/2011 00:47

From her point of view, if she thought he was a single guy then she wouldn't have been hanging on since August. If he hadn't seen her between then and now, surely she would have moved on out of his life anyway.

So he's either lying about her knowing or about not seeing her imo...

YuleingFanjo · 29/12/2011 00:53

I think you deserve total honesty if you are going to move forward positively, eiter as a couple or apart. I suspect he isn't being honest :( sounds like a shitty siuation all round but I don't think you are a mug for wanting to make it work in the future.

katkitya · 29/12/2011 00:59

I wouldnt be surprised if he's seen her since August otherwise, its along time for her to be hanging on. I imagine she didnt know that he is married. What a prat.

Luminescence · 29/12/2011 01:13

I find it hard to believe he only slept with her once. Id be snooping more.

mrstiredandconfused · 29/12/2011 02:52

Jeez op, what a shit he has been Sad

Obviously there are more important things to pick up on and this may of course already have been asked, but are you actually comfortable with him coming over at night to put the kids to bed? This needs to be your call, if you're fine with it then all well and good, but if you're not it's ok to take control and tell him you need space. You don't deserve any of this and the onus is on him to work around what you need.

yellowraincoat · 29/12/2011 03:00

What a terrible thing to happen OP, but glad you are getting the space you need x

NunTheWiser · 29/12/2011 03:07
Sad I would say that he's telling you the bare minimum that he can get away with. He's been in contact with her since August and he's not that bothered about saving his marriage. At the very least he is emotionally engaged with her in a way that he is not with you. There's probably more to come out and I'm so sorry that you're having to go through this. I'm not sure I would have DH back after something like this but I guess that's a decision you'll have to come to on your own. Are you managing to eat? You must take care of yourself or you'll become ill.
TantePiste · 29/12/2011 03:42

i think you should call her and see if she will give her side.

countingto10 · 29/12/2011 08:32

First of all understand that you are in shock and not to make any life changing decisions atm. You need to look after yourself and DCs first.

I would say that you haven't had the full story yet Sad - it will probably be drip fed to you as others have said.

You can get past this and have a better marriage but it takes a lot of hard work on both sides and both parties have to want it to work.

Get yourself some legal advice, it will make you feel more in control when everything is spinning out of control - you do not have to act on it.

You have to remember this is about him and his issues, you may have had problems in the marriage but this affair was his choice/decision. He sounds like he has self-esteem issues wrt to being over weight and losing it. He probably did want to "test out" his attractiveness, he got extremely flattered and the rest is history as they say. Put into the mix 3 small DCs and probably a pre-occupied DW who has been trying to keep it all together at home with no time to stoke his fragile ego and there you have it. Selfishness, self entitlement, arrogance etc. He has probably had a big wake up call with you kicking him out, is trying to work out what turned him into the sort of man that cheats on his wife etc, whilst having pressure put on him by an OW who either did or didn't know he was married.

You need to ask him what he said to himself that gave him permission to do this, what he got out of it etc. The book Not Just Friends is very good at helping both parties understand what happened but you both probably need counselling, solo and joint. Nothing is black and white, you have to do what you feel is best and having 3 small DCs is a factor - if your marriage was good before then you can get past it but it will be a roller coaster. I know for me, I wanted to be able to say to my DCs further down the line, that I had done everything to save the marriage, that I had not just given up IYSWIM.

This site was very useful to me in the early days when I was craving advice and information.

Good luck.

JackMatthias · 01/01/2012 23:15

Your situation sounds very similar to mine - minus the ONS aspect. Same 'push-and-pull' emotional confusion mixing hate, anger, hurt, upset, love, betrayal and fear. Where to go from here? Buggered if I know right now but just wanted to say I can empathise with you. ((Virtual hug))

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