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Please help me be a grown-up! Massively long, sorry.

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WhitePeacock · 22/12/2011 21:03

I have a shit awful relationship with my Mum, and have had since my DD was born just over a year ago. It began to deteriorate when my dad died 8 years ago and my mum was forced out of her job (a horrendous double whammy which had a terrible effect on her self-esteem and her sense of who she was). Little by little she withdrew into herself, left the home in London where I still live, and cooped herself up in the countryside in the house where Dad died.

My then boyfriend - now DH - and I tried our best to include her and encourage her to socialise with her friends, who often invited her to dinner, etc, but she found it increasingly hard to leave her seclusion. I went into my final year of university and took my degree, and my life moved on and hers didn't. She was depressed and I didn't know how best to help her - although I did try, and constantly felt guilty that I didn't get anywhere - and when she recovered from her depression she changed, radically.

She's always had a frightening temper and I've always been afraid of her rages. She's always been very bad at dealing with even a hint of implied criticism. But we used to be VERY close - I'm her only child and when my parents' relationship was rocky, early on, she leaned on me a lot. Now, after going through these hideous experiences, she no longer seems to be able to care for or consider anyone but herself. The prospect of typing out some of the stuff that's sent me loopy makes my stomach feel queasy, but I think it can be summed up as "The instant DD entered the world - making me a mother, as well as a child - my mum started acting like a child herself - and quite a spiteful one." This stresses me out no end, not least because she was very keen for us to have a baby before the fact. One not-too-terrible example of what sends me mad is that DD is an awful sleeper and I haven't had an unbroken night - or even 3 hours sleep in one hit - in a year, but mum always, ALWAYS tells me how tired she is because she stayed up late watching TV! She then flies into a rage if I remind her why I find it hard to sympathise.

I am hugely over-sensitive to my mum's displeasure and dread spending any time with her at all. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, we live in a house that belongs to her. That was never our long-term intention - we started house-sitting for her when she moved to the country, and then were encouraged, over the next 8 years, to consider it, while not our house, definitely our home. I've lived here since I was 15, and had DD here, and love our neighbours and feel generally deeply rooted in the community. (Am about to turn 30 btw). Mum now spends most of the year travelling with her new partner - of whom we're very fond, and are delighted that she's found someone so lovely - so we don't see a great deal of her, but when she is here I have meltdown after meltdown. Anyway, she says she will need to sell this house to free up capital at some point in the future, and, while that makes me very sad, the house isn't ours and I don't consider it ours, and we need to be somewhere settled so we can think about nursery and schools for DD. I will miss it a lot but c'est la vie.

I have some capital from my dad, enough for a deposit on a home of our own, but it's tied up until 2013. After finishing at university and having a long, dispiriting period of unemployment, DH has a decent new job with salary just above the national average. I am a SAHM who works part-time as a journalist, editor and tutor and earns a grocery-buying pittance. So far so good. But I am also shit-scared of moving out as my mum has always subsidised me to some degree. I'm SO bitterly ashamed of this. In some ways I think she has used money to keep me tied to her without realising it - whenever the possibility of my striking out on my own came up in the past she kindly but firmly discouraged me, and I didn't have the willpower or confidence to cut my close (and at that time very loving) ties with her. I am really bad with confidence - I have bipolar disorder and my mental health history is full of scorched-earth depressive episodes and long arduous recoveries when I was about as employable as a used teabag. The thought that I am a useless failure is never that far away from the surface of my mind.

The upshot of all this rambling is I suppose a snivel to MN at large - please help me grow a backbone and realise I really am a grown-up and can manage without my mother! Most of all - and thank you so much to anyone who waded through this epic to the end - help me to close the chinks which my mother's rages ALWAYS find in my armour, please, please! I can't carry on shaking and getting in a huge tizz after every phonecall, let alone visit - it's not fair to my DD or my DH. Does anything about this ring a bell with anyone else?

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pollyblue · 22/12/2011 21:14

God yes, your post does rings some bells for me. I won't go into the details here, but many of the characteristics you describe relating to your Mum, could be my Mum. And the way you react is similar to the way I've reacted too.

I think it will be a very good thing for you to move and buy a rent a home that is truly yours. It wil help to severe an emotional and financial tie. You will cope, you are an adult and perfectly capable Grin

FWIW, it was having children of my own that really opened my eyes to my Mum's behaviour - i no longer had the time or energy to deal with it. She behaved appallingly towards my DH when my twins were born and that put the tim lid on it for me and I finally stood up to her. Things were frosty for some time, but we rub long now and I feel like our relationship is more on my terms.

Maybe CBT or counselling will help you?

WhitePeacock · 23/12/2011 09:43

Polly, thank you SO much for responding! Just typing it all out (at such length, ugh) and your response has made me feel much more as though i've got a handle on it. What you describe with your mother is what I want too - rubbing along OK, with things a bit more on my terms - and you're right, I should probably try the CBT route to give myself some armour. Thank you again!

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PeppermintParsonsNose · 23/12/2011 09:58

Hello WhitePeacock. I am on here fleetingly this morning, but I wanted to say-please take a look at the stately homes thread on here. Some of what you say resonates with me and my difficult relationship with my mother, and the amazing amazing people on that thread will welcome you and support you without judging you in any way. There are lots of experiences on there that are akin to yours, and there's lots of practical advice and accumulated knowledge there. It's really helped me x

LesserOfTwoWeevils · 23/12/2011 19:08

Once you're out of her house and she no longer has that hold over you, you will feel so much better! Then you'll be able to distance yourself emotionally as well. She has her claws far too deep in you now.

almostgrownup · 23/12/2011 19:27

WhitePeacock, it sounds as though your mother is somehow threatened by the fact that you had a child. Luckily as she has found a new partner, you will not feel so guilty if you withdraw a little. I second the recommendation to find a new home, if you can afford it, though your mother is likely to disapprove.

Just wanted to say really that you come across as very intelligent, kind and able! Nothing like a used teabag at all.

SantaIsAnAnagramOfSatan · 23/12/2011 19:54

ah, i know the ending up feeling as employable as a used teabag years so you have my empathy there.

you sound very switched on actually about what you need to tackle and how you'd like things to be. i think that gives you some clear stuff to work on and if you chose to see a therapist now you'd have some clear goals and objectives to tackle with them.

any chance your capital would be enough for a deposit to get a mortgage on your mother's house? or is too expensive - or would a total break be better? x

WhitePeacock · 24/12/2011 13:50

Thank you all so much for your responses - I can't tell you how much they've helped. I am heading over to Stately Homes on PeppermintParsons' good advice, where I've seen I'm really not alone with this, although my experience isn't nearly as bad as that of many posters there.

LesserOfTwoWeevils, definitely you're right and as soon as we have our own home I will be in a much stronger position.

Almostgrownup - yes, she is threatened by it, isn't she? I think it's because I'm not just a child - not just HER child - any more, so she maybe doesn't like not being the automatic mother who knows best. Bless you for saying I come across well, although in my slightly Sauternes-befuddled head (ah, Christmas...) I am now trying to think how a used teabag might write. Slushily!

Santa/Satan, thanks to you too, it's lovely of you to say I am switched on and makes me feel motivated to stop thinking and start acting on my thoughts. I've discussed ways of trying to make it work financially, for both my mum and me, for us to stay here, but it comes down ultimately to the fact that she doesn't want to share the house with us, so a clean break is definitely the way forward. I hope you never have the teabag feeling again!

Merry Christmas everybody, you've helped me such a lot - I've been finding it much easier to sleep since starting this thread and looking on Stately Homes. Thank you again.

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JingleBelleDameSansMerci · 24/12/2011 13:58

You have a very engaging "tone" in your writing. I imagine the journalism might come very naturally to you? Perhaps, once you are freer of your mother's practical (ie the house) influence you will find the confidence to really flourish. I hope so.

JingleBelleDameSansMerci · 24/12/2011 13:59

Sorry, that sounded a bit stilted. I'm trying to say that come across as a competent, intelligent woman.

WhitePeacock · 27/12/2011 12:33

JingleBelle that is lovely of you, and not at all stilted, I shall use it as a little cornerstone of confidence. I hope you had a splendid Christmas!

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