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My estranged mother is trying to prevent my brother from visiting me on dd's birthday (long and dull)

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Get0rf · 04/12/2011 17:46

He is 24 btw.

The background - I no longer speak to my mother as she is a horrible person who has never tried or made an effort to build a relationship with me (met her properly when I was 17, she didn't raise me, she left me with my gran and buggered off). However I have always got on very well with my brother, who was 7 when I met him, and we love each other dearly.

DB has lived in america on a restricted visa for 3 years. He is back in the Uk for a while and has consulted an immigration attorney in order to apply for a longer visa which will mean he can stay and work in the US for some years. This is costing acouple of grand.

DB has arranged to come up to stay with me next weekend and stay until dd's 16th birthday. My mother has now said that she doesn't want DB to come and stay with me, as it would be disloyal. If he does come up she will refuse to pay for the visa (she is giving him 5 grand to pay for the visa and go towards his buying a car). DB really needs this money.

My mother has also said that dd should come down to her house (where DB is staying) on her birthday. My mother lives a 2 hour drive away. We did this last year - despite my not speaking to my mother my dd still has a relationship with her, and I drove dd down to Devon to see my mother. Which meant that dd spent 4 hours of her birthday in a car, which is not ideal, and I said that I would prefer not to do that again. Apparently my mother said that dd should go down on the train - but it is 2 buses and 3 trains to get there (the arse end of nowhere).

To keep the bloody peace and to keep dd happy we would probably drive her down there, however dd has got her moped CBT test on her birthday, which finishes at 4pm, and has got a party at cadets at 7pm, so we will barely see her anyway, but with my brother here we were planning to have a late dinner, and of course he is supposed to be here the preceding weekend anyway. We cannot go down to Devon the preceding weekend of her birthday anyway as I cannot drive at the moment due to medication I am on, and DP is working that weekend.

Oh god anyway, the real point is WHY is my mother being so bloody dictatorial. DD is going to be so upset - we hardly see my brother anyway, and we are not planning to see him over christmas. My bloody fucking mother. I understand why my brother is doing what she says because of the money, but to me it sums up my whole crappy, selfish family.

I haven't told dd yet. Just got off the phone to my aunt (the only other family member I speak to, the rest are like characters from Shameless) and she is sympathetic, but knows that there is no solution.

Just ranting really. Am feeling down in the dumps anyway about the bloody family situation and this just adds to it.

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Get0rf · 04/12/2011 17:47

Christ that was long - sorry.

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ImperialBlether · 04/12/2011 18:11

What a terrible situation.

Your mother (I don't really like to call her that as she shows no maternal signs) is clearly a selfish and manipulative woman.

I would get your daughter to phone her grandmother and tell her that she won't be able to come down as she can't get there and has to be at home for the evening do with the cadets.

As far as your brother is concerned, I think he has to decide whether to call her bluff on it. Does he think that if he accepts the money off her, he will be free from her? In her mind he will owe her that money and whilst she may not want cash back, I'm sure she'll find some other way of his repaying his debt.

Get0rf · 04/12/2011 18:29

I know. That money will not be a free and clear gift - as you say there will be a payment of some kind. Luckily though he lives in LA for most of the time, so is not on her doorstep so to speak.

I can't believe that she would do this to dd. I always thought that I was doing the kindest thing in encouraging my dd and mother to keep up their relationship. Turns out she can be just as cruel to her as she has been to me.

She won't meet halfway - she is one of those infurating people who is never, ever wrong, and if ever challenged kicks off/cries/rants and raves/walks off swearing. In the 2 and a bit years I have not been speaking to her, I have always had to drive dd all the way to Devon, and lately dd has been getting the train there. She has never once arranged to meet dd halfway (say Bristol). Even if dd has gone to visit for the day, she has gone all that way and back, and my gran won't even meet her off the train (train station 10 miles away from her house).

I just want to ring her up and tell her what I think, however I think that is (perversely) the kind of thing she wants. I will just have to accept that DB is not coming up. I will not be able to see him before christmas - we have firm plans the weekend after her birthday (pn the 14th) - she is doing a recital at the cathedral on the Friday, she has her birthday prty with her mates on the Saturday, and she is going flying on the Sunday. And then it is christmas (working all the way to xmas eve).

Iam just gutted and know that dd will be too.

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ImperialBlether · 04/12/2011 18:39

How old is your brother? Does she control everything he does?

Get0rf · 04/12/2011 18:41

My brother is 24! A graduate and has been living in america independently for 3 years.

He does whatever she says though so as not to upset the applecart. Plus to get a wad of moolah.

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ImperialBlether · 04/12/2011 18:41

OK is there any way you, your daughter and your brother could save up so that your daughter could go to visit him in LA once he's back there?

ImperialBlether · 04/12/2011 18:42

How does your mum have such disposable income? She doesn't sound employable, to be honest!

Get0rf · 04/12/2011 18:42

That sounds bitter, hard not to be I suppose.

He is NOT grasping moneywise. But I know that he can't pay for the immigration attorney on his own. So I can understand his position.

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Get0rf · 04/12/2011 18:42

My gran died 3 years ago, she inherited about £50k.

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ImperialBlether · 04/12/2011 18:43

Is that the only way he can work over there? Can he apply for a Green Card?

Get0rf · 04/12/2011 18:44

I don't know if he can - there are restrictions on what kind of visa he can apply for due to the work he does apparently. It all sounds a nightmare, and very complex, hence why he is getting a lawyer to advice.

Thanks very much for listenting to the rant, btw Smile

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izzywhizzysmincepies · 04/12/2011 18:55

If I were you I certainly wouldn't be upsetting my dd with any of this.

It sounds as if your dd has got more than enough going to keep her happy on her birthday and I'd simpy take the line that 'o what a shame, x won't be able to make it but never mind, he'll be up to see us sometime in the new year.

As for db, I'd tell him to wait untill the old bat has coughed up the promised moolah or invent a weekend away with a friend to cover any future stay with you before she's come across with the dosh.

As for the old bat, there's no need whatsoever for any communication with her on this or any other subject.

In the longer term, your dd shouldn't be undertaking long journeys for the dubious pleasure of a couple of hours in the company of a toxic grandmother and she will probably be relieved that she doesn't have to make the effort.

verytellytubby · 04/12/2011 19:20

There is no way I would allow my DD to visit a toxic grandmother on her birthday. It should be about DD and fun.

Can't your brother come the following weekend and not let lie your mother know. He's 24 and not a teenager.

It's your life and family. Don't be dictated to.

Get0rf · 04/12/2011 20:09

I think you are right, Izzy. There will be no use in bleating on to dd about the reasons why he won't come - I will probably make up some lie about why DB won't be able to come, as opposed to telling her the truth.

I will see if my DB will come up the weekend after (perhaps he would like to be here to attend dd's birthday party - 14 teenagers staying at my house ) - bet my mother will smell a rat and will not let him come.

It is utterly RIDICULOUS I know that she has this much control. But my brother will have to do it for an easy life I suppose.

Thanks everone Smile

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Get0rf · 04/12/2011 20:10

Plus, 16 is a BIG birthday, isn't it? I want it to be extra special this year.

I am not going to ring her up - that way madness lies.

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