I have found a Sim and

[Itsallgonetitsup]

its locked! I have reason to be suspicious.

Not sure if I should have posted this in here or geeky stuff tbh!

Is there anyway I can unlock a pinned sim (without the pin)? Any device or anything I can use to get past the pin code?
There are some numbers on the sim card itself but not sure what they are, would the pin be amongst those?

I doubt there is an easy way to defeat the pin code for a sim card. I know you say you have reason to be suspicious but I have old sim cards floating around at the back of a drawer that my wife would not know existed. They would probably still ask for a pin if tried in a phone and I doubt I would even remember.

Are you sure its a genuine pin code required. Most networks sim sim cards will not work in handsets supplied by a different mobile company

When it says 'locked' as Bromdad says that may mean its on the wrong network?

What network is the sim for?

If a sim has a pin on it you can request a puk code (pin unlocking key) from the network BUT you'll have to prove you are the owner which it's unlikely you will be able to to :(

The PIN is not printed on the SIM card. The only way to get past the PIN lock if you don't know the PIN is to enter an incorrect PIN 3 times then contact the network for the PUK code. You should not try and guess the PUK code as you can end up locking the SIM permanently. If your husband uses this card it will be obvious to him if you try to get past the PIN in this way.

Like the previous poster, I have a few SIM cards knocking around the house. I use pay as you go mobile phones. When I buy a new one it is usually cheaper to buy one with a SIM card than to get a SIM-free one, so I do that then put the new SIM card to one side and put the my old SIM card in the phone so that I keep the same phone number. Most of those cards will still be locked with their default PIN.

I am not saying your suspicions are wrong but I would be careful about jumping to conclusions just because you've found a SIM card with a PIN lock.

Thank you for your replies. I have other reasons to be suspicious and this sim was found in my husbands jeans pocket last night.
Me and my husband have never had contract mobiles. Always PAYG. We have both been with virgin for about 6 or 7 years.
I put it in my virgin PAYG phone last night and it asked for a pin code. I tried a pin I know my husband uses for most things and that was not it.
It said I had 2 more attempts and as I dont want to alert my husband that I am suspicious atm I did not try again and put the sim back into his trousers where I found it.

It has gone from them this morning.

There is a huge long back story to this which is why I am suspicious. I am not purposely trying to drip feed, just its so long I would be typing here until Xmas if I was to explain everything. Life here is awkward (although I am safe and not in any danger, there is no abuse) and I want to know more before I confront him.

So what are the numbers on the sim card? Do they form part of the phone number?

How would I phone Virgin to get a sim pin when I dont even know the phone number for the sim? Its not going to happen is it?

You're right, it's not going to happen. Especially now the sim card has gone.

In terms of looking for 'proof' of whatever you suspect, I think you're going to have to write this off.

Well it took me 6 years to get the story from my husband, although I was increasingly suspicious. That was a few weeks ago.

It is fresh enough in my mind for me to be able to say that, if I had the time over, I would say less and watch more. I was very stupid to let on and confront too early.

So you are taking the right approach.

The number printed on the SIM card is its ICCID - Integrated Circuit Card Identifier. This is a number which uniquely identifies the SIM. Some of the digits tell us who issued the SIM and in which country but there is nothing there about the phone number, PIN or anything else useful.

Virgin can't tell you the PIN for this SIM. They know what the default PIN was but they don't know if your husband has changed the PIN or, if he has, what PIN he has set. So no, it's not going to happen.

Thank you again for the replies and at least I know now that its not worth me persuing the sim at the risk of alerting him to suspicions.

Fiventhree, I am sorry you have found yourself in a similar suspicious situation too and thank you for just understanding my need to keep stum and keep looking at the moment. I know alot of people are of the opinion if you suspect anything you should just have it out. In some situations that may be the best way forward but in my situation I want information and need it. I will never ever find out the truth by just being upfront and asking/confronting him.

Its long and complicated and today I am feeling very sad and down. It may be I end up on here spilling my tale of woe and asking for advice and support but for now I will just keep my mouth closed and eyes open.

Thank you everyone for replying so quickly.

I have a pin on my sim card which every time the phone turns on it asks for, it's something I made up myself, not something written on the card/phone or anything.. so it would probably be difficult for you to get into it I'm afraid.

Itsall

I cannot tell you how strong the 'need to know' became for me. Our issue was internet sex, not an affair, but I didnt know even that, although I knew the computer was involved, as I kept finding photos in his received files (about 5 times in 5 years). I suspected an affair, and worse.

At the beginning I allowed myself to be persuaded that they were accidentally downloaded from torrent sites with music files, but as time wore on enough others issues developed between us.

Also, we got into that common pattern where couples have a problem, where one 'withdraws' in some way, and the other 'pursues.' (Useful link here
peterfox.com.au/fidelity_1.8.html). I do not mean sexually.

I am strong and independent, and I cannot believe that I did not draw a line/suspect more strongly for so long. The last 6 months, my suspicions accelerated and I confronted him about a number of issues, and even threatened divorce, but he denied all still- at one point he really understood my reasons and need to know, but still denied it, although I had said I would leave him if I was right and found out later.

IN the end, what happened to me was that I found new photos three weeks after a serious attempt on both parts to improve our relationship, and I was gutted. I put my first thread on mumsnet asking for advice and learned from others here that it was practically impossible for him to be telling the truth. WE argued/discussed for three days, and he made ludicrous attempts to start downloading into received files to 'prove' it could be done.

Finally, I moved into the spare bedroom, stopped looking, and it really freaked him out. An email I had forgotten about weeks earlier to relate came back the next day by luck, and we booked a session. And after three weeks he told me.

I dont know whether any of that is helpful. I had tried every strategy in the book to catch him out and failed. It had become 'cat and mouse' all the way, and I had turned into some kind of private detective in the last few weeks, ie, as secretive as him!

Lots of people on here kept saying to me, why wait, you have enough evidence. But I couldnt hear it. I really, really needed to know.

I dont know if any of that is helpful. If you need to pm me for a couple of weeks for tips, feel free.

I remember your thread, fiventhree. I can completely understand how you felt. I was in a similar position and felt like I was going mad. Have you made a decision about what you'll do?

Allgonetitsup, check your inbox in a few minutes, will you? I know a way that might help you, but don't want to post it here in case any lurking bastards are watching.

Imperial, yes, do you remember the poster on a few of the threads - I think her name is malificence or similar- whose h had an affair and is really really sorry and who has a much better relationship?

Well, it's early days yet, but my h is similar. My removal of myself from the bedroom and clear intention to divorce if necessary, together with a really fantastic Relate male counsellor, and some very hard work from my h (and me), has transformed us both, it seems. Amazing.

fiventhree
I really don't think it was malifience whose husband had an affair!

No, not me.

Isn't 0000 the default setting for a sim lock?

Oops sorry Malificence! Confused your name with another regular name!

What about getting one of those spyware sets for your computer? To find out what he's been emailing?

my ex had an emotional affair, it was pretty much done via his personal and work phone plus the pc, Instant Messenger and email etc.

my ex would never EVER admit anything so I knew at that point that I had to find rock solid proof, something that could not in any way be explained away, before confronting him.

I'd seen text messages but none of them actually gave me proper proof, I could see he was talking to her, saw 'hi sexy' on his msn account from her, saw pictures from her but I knew he's simply say she was 'overly' friendly.

After several weeks of keeping track as much as I could (he wasn't in the slightest bit aware I was doing it) he woke at 5am to go to the loo, he used to keep his work phone next to the bed so whilst he was having a wee I quickly looked at it, no text messages (but I didn't expect any as he deleted EVERYTHING, texts, browser history etc etc), but he'd forgotten one message in his sent box. It simply said 'I've just got home, great to see you, I love you' he'd told me he'd been at work doing overtime..

And to this day he tried to get out of it, up until he saw that text then he knew that he'd been caught red handed.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread, I hope you get everything sorted. Some SIMS have a standard password of 0000 plus sometimes people can put in 1234

Malificence - Many SIMs use 0000 as the default PIN but this is not universal. I've come across 1111 and 6666 on SIM cards I've owned. I'm sure there are others as well. You should, of course, change the PIN on your SIM card the first time you use it.

Thank you again! I suppose I have nothing to lose by trying the 0000 theory or the 1111 theory as long as I do it once then wait until he is likely to have used the sim inbetween so I dont use up the 3 attempts.

TBH what's the worst that can happen if you do lock the SIM?

If he's up to no good then he's hardly likely to say anything to you is he? Or you could just take it and throw it in the bin. Again if he asks you about it then it's likely it's innocent and you can just say you haven't seen a SIM or you found one on the driveway, presumed it was rubbish and threw it in the bin, if he doesn't then he won't mention it to you. He'll simply go and get another one and maybe not lock this one.