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My adult son - advice for dealing with him?

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IndiaJade · 29/11/2011 15:37

I wondered if anyone could give me some advice for dealing with my DS who is almost 21. I have a feeling I have made a rod for my own back somewhere along the line and need some tips for change, if that's the right thing to do.

I am a single parent having left and divorced my emotionally abusive H almost three years ago. H also made DS life a misery and was psychologically abusive to him as a result he was binge drinking, getting into debt, got dismissed from his part-time job and also took an overdose.

Once I left H, DS settled down a lot, got a GF, got his finances under control and is now in the last year of an apprenticeship. He earns about £200 p.w.

However, sometimes DS can speak to me in a disrespectful way which is very upsetting, he does no housework and even if I ask him to do a few jobs like changing a lightbulb - he says he is going to do them and then doesn't and I have to do it myself or ask someone else. I often think he has no respect for me and cares not a fig.

He also doesn't clean his room, doesn't make his bed and pays nothing towards the running of the house, even though he knows I am having a tough time financially. He often leaves his dirty pots and dishes for me to clear up and I do his washing and ironing. He dumps dirty clothes and his gym kit on the living room floor and doesn't tidy it up. He also leaves car parts (currently have 4 wheels) in the living room.

In addition, I have now met a nice man. We dated for 3 months before I told the DC's about him, they met him after 6 months and then when they had got to know him, he stayed the night with me for the first time having started dating a year ago.

By contrast, DS's GF stays at our home 2/3/4 nights per week, and has done for the past 2 years which is fine as I really like her. They eat the food I buy and use the electricity etc. that I pay for.

Just recently DS has been making comments about my BF coming to the house. He comes for dinner about 4 times a month, and stayed the night twice. My DC's like my BF but they don't like the fact that I have a BF if you see what I mean.

I would like to have a conversation with my DS where I explain that he is not being reasonable by complaining that my BF comes to the house. I feel upset that he thinks he can have a social life but I can't, even though I pay the mortgage.

I would also like to ask him to contribute financially, but don't know if this is reasonable and I am afraid of upsetting him and setting him back again. I know if I say any of this to him he will have a hissy fit and storm out of the house. I cannot talk to him about anything he perceives as negative or he will shout and storm out. and so I put up with everything.

all of DS's money is disposable income although he runs an iphone and has a car loan.

His father is of no help whatsoever, DS would or could not ever go to live with him as he would demand huge amounts of rent and expect him to do most of the work around the house. Incidentally his father moved his GF in 18 months ago having known her for 3 months, whilst I do things slowly and considerately and still end up in the bad books.

Don't know what to do. My friends, my mother and my BF think I am too soft, but I feel such terrible guilt and also I'm frightened to talk to him to be honest.

Help!

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meltedchocolate · 30/11/2011 16:48

It is not your son's decision whether he should eat with your BF in your house. If he wants to eat in your house then he eats with who ever you decide to be there. It should also not be up to him whether he gives you rent or not. Pay rent or get out. There is no point you waiting.

izzywhizzysmincepies · 30/11/2011 17:23

Sounds like a match made in heaven; your ds and his gf can compete to see who can outdo the other in the entitlement stakes.

If you don't want to have your Christmas ruined by this selfish and inconsiderate pair, you need to grow your own pair and start laying down the law according to you as judge, jury, and high executioner.

The following is a list of entirely reasonable conditions such as any adult dc would be willing to folllow without protest or question:

  1. Neither he nor his gf get to dictate to who you entertain and when in your own home.
  1. While under your roof, neither he nor his gf gets to decide who they will dine with if other guests are present.
  1. His gf only gets to visit your home by prior arrangement and only when it is convenient for you.
  1. Your boyfriend and other guests get to visit your home by invitation from you WHENEVER it is convenient for you.
  1. No later than 15 December 2011 he will contribute £50 towards the food bill for the festive season.
  1. From 1 January 2012 he will pay £50 a week towards his board and lodging - this sum to be reviewed on completion of his apprenticeship.
  1. He will comply with all reasonable requests to tidy his room and other parts of the house and will help with general maintenance such as changing lightbulbs with good grace and in a timely manner.
  1. Any display of bad manners, hostility, or unreasonable behaviour on his part will result in him immediately being shown the door and he will not regain entrance to your home unless and until an apology is forthcoming and he provides the required assurance that he will forthwith refrain from behaving in an unacceptable manner.

Having read the above, he can feel free to exercise his right to choose between two options, namely, a) take it or b) leave it. Choosing option b) requires him to vacate the premises by the weekend.

Forget the guilt trips about the past, honey, because if you don't act now I dread to think what your Christmas celebrations are going to be like with this pair of ingrates calling the shots and ruling the roost.

If he chooses to vote with his feet, point him the direction of the nearest YMCA who will initiate him into the harsh reality of independent living - or let his gf's parents return the numerous favours you've done them in taking her off their hands and enabling them to enjoy evenings without her sulking or acting out.

meltedchocolate · 30/11/2011 17:26
AttilaTheMeerkat · 30/11/2011 18:37

"On the 21st birthday after christmas, I am going to set the boundaries re: housework, attitude etc. I am gonig to give notice that I want rent to be paid from 1st August when he is qualified and his salary increased".

No. this is too late. What's wrong with now?.

BTW if you do not act you will likely end up like my PILs who have their son who is in his mid 40s living with them. They were also far too accommodating and enable him like you have done to date.

Also it is not your 13 year old's job to support you re his elder sibling.

Dee03 · 30/11/2011 19:08

Love that advice Izzy Smile

izzywhizzysmincepies · 30/11/2011 20:32

Blush Thank you kindly, folks.

meltedchocolate · 30/11/2011 20:38

True. Seriously I am so glad I had to leave home. Imagine being the twat I was then, now Shock

IndiaJade · 30/11/2011 22:08

IzzyWhizzyMincePies that list is amazing. Thank you all.

As soon as I can get to a place where we can talk I'll start putting this into place.

In the meantime, DS bought food from Tesco this evening reduced in the sale, and took it to my parents house (having forgotten his grandfathers birthday yesterday). He told my parents he is now forced to buy his own food and eat it elsewhere as I have made it clear to him that he is no longer welcome. He is going to his fathers for Christmas.

In fact we have had practically no conversation since he stormed out of the house on Monday night, other than me reminding DS then if he didn't want to eat with my BF who has been invited to Xmas lunch, then he might want to accepot his fathers invitation.

He also told my parents that I have really changed.

DM started to make noises about you should sort this out and he has told her he will go and work abroad as he is now due to qualify in February and that she, DM, might never see him again. On the whole though she could see that DS has created this situation by trying to get me to either say my BF won't come to the house again, or for me to run round after DS saying how sorry I am and it is his home and he must feel secure etc. etc which I'm afraid to say is what I've done in the past. Because I have done neither he is now backed into a corner and is trying to make me look the bad guy, I think.

It is all scarily like my ex's behaviour.

I haven't involved DD in the above but she has noticed DS behaviour and thinks he is silly, is all I meant by her support. DD and I will be carrying on our routines and activities regardless.

As soon as I can get this bit over and to a place where we can talk then I will start on Izzie's list!

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meltedchocolate · 30/11/2011 22:12

Well done OP! :)

buzzswellington · 30/11/2011 22:20

You're doing the right thing by standing your ground. He's trying to manipulate you - just stick to your guns - make it clear your home is open to him, but he needs to respect it and you, and those are your terms. If he chooses to strop off, that's his own personal self-created melodrama.

izzywhizzysmincepies · 01/12/2011 00:39

He also told my parents that I have really changed I'm laughing fit to bust!

Changed you certainly have. You've changed into a woman who will no longer tolerate abuse - from anyone, let alone her ds.

It is all scarily like my ex's behaviour The 'king/queen is dead' phenomenon can be observed in young males and females when an abusive parent, particularly one who has been in residence for far too long, leaves the scene of their crimes.

You've seen the writing on the wall - think of your future dil and dgc to come and act now.

Don't make a 'start' on my list - it's the whole deal or no deal because you're rapidly running out of time to turn him around.

Of course, you could give him a hook to hang his macho pride on. Start ostentatiously fanning yourself and suggest that any change in you must be due to an early menopause. That should get him running for the hills or tiptoeing around you in case you turn into a screaming banshee Grin

littlemisssarcastic · 01/12/2011 07:52

Another one applauding Izzy.

tallwivglasses · 01/12/2011 23:09

And another. I hate mn love-ins but Izzy, wow Grin

I did the 'I've Had Enough!' speech a few years ago. I ran the risk of dd (16) not being at home for Christmas, or ever, maybe.

Well, she was back for Christmas and she's since apologised. She's lovely now, great company and respects the hard line I finally took four years ago.

You have done amazingly under shite circumstances, I reckon, so don't knock yourself down. Please.

Ponders · 01/12/2011 23:15

DS says he is not prepared to pay rent ever as it is dead money

I hope he's got a tent & a sleeping bag? Hmm

izzy's post is wonderful Smile

noseinbook · 02/12/2011 00:08

Then let him live rent free while at the same time paying his share of the bills. Doesn't he stop you getting 25% reduction in council tax?

Even he can't argue that money for keeping warm and cooking and eating is dead money.

One other thing, who does the shopping? Will he run errands to a local shop for you (when he's there?) Or pick up milk or bread on his way home?

Beckamaw · 02/12/2011 23:09

Can I also add, regarding the 21st birthday gift outburst, that I bet his friends pay rent. I'm sure £50/week rent would go a long way to an expensive watch/ car etc. You've been totally subsidising his living costs instead.
Who is better off?

He should be grateful for a gift wrapped orange, to be honest.

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