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I don't know, I'm at a total loss :(

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Chocolokka · 26/11/2011 15:49

Hi all, this may be a very confusing and very long post......................

Had a terrible agrguement with my h last night, we have been having disagreements for the last two months, not about the same subject and not concurrently but a lot more than we would normally fight.

We have been married 10 years and have 2 darling children, ds 4 and dd 6months.
Our first problem:
We used to have a great sex life. Obviously having young children kills spontaneity and I acknowledge through tiredness etc that we both have become a bit lazy. I didn't have a high sex drive whilst I was pregnant this time but had a very high one on my first pregnancy. So h is not to blame for lack of sex in that period although I did perform certain things for him so on some level we had been intimate. My huge gripe with my h is that he doesn't ever want to kiss or cuddle me ever, maybe if there was a celebration of some kind. When we hold hands it's me who reaches for his and even though he denies it, he seems to be itching to let go as soon as he can. Kissing is a big no no, a snog is definitely out of the question ( maybe what he says is true, married couples don't song - honestly don't know, I would be too embarrassed to ask any of my married friends) even when we do have sex the kissing part ( which I used to really enjoy and really helps to get me in the mood) is over in less than a minute. I have asked my h why he doesn't like kissing me etc do I have bad breath etcI actually now don't enjoy the little bit we do do(which at the moment could be as little 1/month).

As I said earlier h thinks this is normal after 10 years, it's not as good and as exciting as it once was or would be with a new partner. I don't agree, some people think as your emotional bond deepens that maybe the ripping off stage goes but that the sex can still be amazing and often better with someone you have a deep connection with. I have asked him he thinks he has low sex drive, he claims no. So I guess this is my major issue with him and I have caused problems recently because of it. I have not outright accused him of an affair but I have asked if there is someone else, men usually want a lot of sex so my thought was, well he seems to like sex, talks about attractive movie stars, he will watch a program about sex on the tv etc he doesn't want me is it because he's getting else where, he denies any such thing categorically. There is no other evidence, he leaves his phone around, we know all each others passwords for email accounts except his work one which is in his office. I lost all the baby weight, I have a little loose skin on my belly which I am very self conscious about, I'm not unattractive and I'm younger( not substantially) than him. I would never dream of having an affair but I feel really sad at the lack of touch and I feel so unloved and I would love to feel desired by the man I love and whom normally I desire and fancy.

2nd problem;

Yesterday I heard news which I was expecting, it is going to majorly change all of our lives, not altogether negatively but not the best thing for our family. Nobody is sick or dying or anything like that. It was nothing my h has control over and it was not his fault. I felt really down over it yesterday, I was down and h kept saying, we must be positive.....of course he is right we can't change it but just for one day/couple of hours I felt sad and couldn't just immediately say ok well that's that nothing can be done, put a smile on my face and make the most of it. Today maybe but definitely by next week I would have brushed myself down and got on with it. Last night when I made a comment about the situation, had just read something relevant to the situation on the web, my h became furious with me, literally roaring like a lion, kicked the the table violently in front of him and threw something else across the room ( not characteristically like him btw) shouting that I'm such a negative person, complain about everything, I literally couldn't say anything right. I'm no saint I have been fighting with him a lot recently not always the cause of it but I have complained that in the last 6 months I have had 3 evenings of 1.5hrs to myself and on each evening when I returned I returned to chaos and I have said that I was disappointed. My h went away with his friends last week over night to see a game, and I had to deal with that, I don't think he really appreciates me at all. He has said that he would never leave me because of the kids, I am really beginning to wonder is it over, if we didn't have children Would he be gone. I've told him he's not doing the family/children any favors by staying just so they don't grow up in a broken home, children sense problems and of course the elder one would be devastated if we did separate but I think two parents happily living apart is better that two bitter ones together and I do worry that maybe I am becoming bitter. I'm exhausted and freezing cold and my heart is just so heavy and sad. I thought maybe writing it down might help but maybe I do sound very me me me.

Thanks if you've got this far :(

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weevilswobble · 28/11/2011 08:39

Whoa! This sounds alot more positive! It is really tough having kids and pressures and mediocrity. But if you are able to communicate this well things look good! Smile

Chocolokka · 28/11/2011 09:30

Thanks, we are going to talk again tonight, so hopefully with a bit of work we can sort out the problems with intimacy outside the bedroom too. I really appreciate the support I received here, it made me clarify in my own mind the problems.
Re the "OW" I explained the way I felt when I saw his post and he accepted my explanation and could see my point when it was seen in thevfull context of the situation and not solely viewed as an isolated case.
Thanks again:)

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kerstina · 28/11/2011 09:50

Well done for having the chat with him and I think he should be applauded for being totally honest with you. What he said about slightly less exciting is surely normal ? I think you are taking it too personally it could happen to anyone even someone who looks like Cindy Crawford !
Have got a feeling it will work out for you as he seems really commited and sounds like he is listening to what you are saying . Keep us posted Smile

Chocolokka · 28/11/2011 13:04

Thanks Kerstina, I feel much better after the chat this morning. You're right, it was great he was so honest and last night I did take it very personally but today I feel a lot more positive though. Making the time to communicate was definitely key, after we had settled the children I told h that I really wanted us to talk and his initial response was " but we are getting fine at the moment can't we just leave it" but I was very insistent and I think it definitely cleared the air for both of us. I managed to remain calm (which normally I'm too emotional) and h really listened. Hopefully things will improve now......

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windsorTides · 28/11/2011 23:43

I'm sorry love. I think the only reason he was more amenable to a chat and some 'honesty' was because he thought you'd rumbled him when you found that message for the 'friend'. This has got 'affair' written all over it. Please be careful and don't trust too much.

Meggles76 · 29/11/2011 07:11

Please be careful - Just because he does not go out much evenings, does not mean nothing is happening.
I rumbled my H's 3 month affair and he never went out evenings or weekends. OW was also married so they conducted it during week days when I was at work and so was her husband.
I found out subsequently that my H used all his leave up and started to take unpaid leave (he lied to his work and told them he needed to go to relate with me to sort out his marriage - what a charmer). OW was a SAHM. I am no longer with him but it has had a huge financial impact on me and DC which I am angry about.

Chocolokka · 29/11/2011 10:21

Thanks WindsorTides and Meggles76 for taking the time for answering your post. It's early days I know, but since our discussions we have been more relaxed with each other than we have been in a good while. I have no reason to really suspect an affair other than the lack of "action" in our bedroom. I can now see where H is coming from, it is easy to slip in to a routine of laziness and tiredness...not making excuses for h but I am also responsible for this, except I wanted more affection outside the bedroom too and I think my h has difficulty expressing affection outside the bedroom as he wasn't getting enough in the bedroom if that makes sense(?!) I was definitely arguing with home as well and when I sat down and took a good look at what was going on, I think I was doing it subconsciously on purpose to push h away as I felt he was distant so I have to take my share of the blame. Believe me if h was having an affair I wouldnt accept ant responsibility there and it would be the end for us. As for meeting an ow during work hours, I suppose if you wanted an affair you could always make time for one. He doesn't work too far away and sometimes we meet for lunch, he rings me from the office a couple of times a day (so definitely no annual leave being taken) I have no more evidence of an affair so I can neither prove nor disprove one, I can only take my h word on that and he is able to look me in the eye and tell me that isn't the case. In all honesty his face and eyes do not look as they're lying so I need to trust him to get my marriage back on track. I truly believe it was a communication issue and reading the 60minute marriage has helped me understand how important that is.
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windsorTides · 29/11/2011 11:02

I think you sound too nice OP. You've been unfailingly polite and gracious with posters on this thread and over-apologetic for your posts. You sound like someone who would be mortified if someone didn't like you or if you caused offence, even unintentionally.

That seems to be going on in your marriage too. You've gone from telling us how it is - your husband creating distance and not wanting to show any affection, getting disproportionately angry to the point of violence and aggression towards inanimate objects, telling you he wouldn't leave 'because of the kids', getting disproportionately angry when you read what he himself had left open on the computer, making hurtful remarks about his attraction to you.............to what sounds like complete capitulation and blind faith in what he's saying.

I do hope you're not 'too nice' to have a look at that phone he leaves lying around, to search for the second one in his car, to google his site username and check the history and cookies stored on the computer he's on late at night.

Please be wary and don't be too nice.

suburbophobe · 29/11/2011 11:39

I wanted more affection outside the bedroom too and I think my h has difficulty expressing affection outside the bedroom as he wasn't getting enough in the bedroom if that makes sense

No, it doesn't to me.

I think most women cannot just switch on when it comes to the bedroom if there is no signs of affection in daily life.

It seems to me you are making far too many excuses for his behaviour....

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