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Help me explain why I stayed

23 replies

craftyknickers · 25/11/2011 21:02

Ive posted here before about what I went though, after 18 months I managed to get out of a very abusive relationship. I wont go through the details but he put me through hell.

People are naturally asking me questions and I am being very open about what happened but when I'm asked why did I stay I don't know how to explain. They know I suffered broken bones, verbal abuse and physical abuse so they are naturally wondering why on earth I stayed.

Now I am out of the situation and I'm well again I can't explain it. It wasn't out of love because I hated him more than I have ever hated anyone for what he put me through. He made me so ill, I was on all sorts of drugs and seeing a physiciatrist.

I know nobody else can answer this for me I just need some help in making someone who has never experienced this to understand why I stayed and endured such hell for so long.

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squeakytoy · 25/11/2011 21:09

If people ask, then that means they have no idea at all of how it is to be trapped in a relationship that has broken you down so much that you havent got the strength or confidence to walk out. It is completely unimaginable to them, and impossible to really get them to understand, as they have never been in the situation.

Rather than try to explain, just say that the only important thing now is that you ARE out of it, and you are now strong enough never to go back.

And lastly, well done on getting away. :)

rightchoice · 25/11/2011 21:16

Most of us look back at some of our past decisions and now we are strong and healed see things much clearer than when we were bogged down with the turmoil. Don't feel the need to come up with an answer, use all your precious time to live in the present, look forward not back The past is over, gone, behind you and you don't need to spend a sincle second analysing - after all there is no real answer, what is done is done. Now is what is important. So pleased you got away. Enjoy your lovely new life.

craftyknickers · 25/11/2011 21:27

Thank you Smile

You are both right, I'm out and a million times happier for it. Every day is like winning the lottery just because Im not ill or being hurt.

I'm getting back my old self And I'm living every day to the full, it's so strange the little things you appreciate when you've had everything taken from you!!

But of a soppy reply but I kind of want anyone reading this who is maybe thinking of leaving to know its soooooo worth it!!!!

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FabbyChic · 25/11/2011 21:28

You stayed becuase you were too scared to leave, you were lonely, because sometimes it is better the devil you know

I was beaten the crap out of real bad, broken nose. massive black eyes, bruises all over my body, I married him 4 months later, it lasted a month.

HoudiniHissy · 25/11/2011 21:32

crafty, can you call Woman's Aid and talk things through with them? They are really good at listening and supporting.

Also can you see if you can get on a Freedom Programme? In the meantime, why not buy Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft, it'll answer a myriad of questions you may have.

(hugs) You did the right thing, whatever you need from us to help you carry on believing that, you just holler OK?

craftyknickers · 25/11/2011 21:49

houdinihissy I've got his book, bloody brilliant!! Really helped me come to terms with everything.

To be honest I'm dealing with it all quite well, I have used women's aid who were amazing.

Its the people who love me who are finding it difficult to come to terms with what happened. It really upsets them knowing how much I went through, I just can't seem to find the words to explain why on earth I stayed

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ThereGoesTheFear · 25/11/2011 22:04

Glad you're free and happy :) Me too. It's great isn't it :)

It might be worth working it out for your own sake, even if you can't come up with a succinct answer to people who ask.

It really is shocking to me to look back on what I put up with. It's funny to see a written record of how different I was back then: the questions I came on here to ask when I was still in the relationship. I was asking AIBU when it's so clear to me that HWBU, and a massively abusive twat to boot. I can look back and see that my thinking had been skewed by years of careful manipulation and emotional abuse, which eroded my self-esteem and trust in my perception of reality. And for lots of reasons, but mainly cultural, I was very averse to separation/divorce. And those are the main reasons I stayed. Maybe something similar for you?

craftyknickers · 25/11/2011 22:22

You have pretty much nailed it there, self esteem was a huge thing and I think because he was so good at manipulating a situation and my head my sense of what was reasonable and what was wrong was wrong.

I was made to feel to blame for everything, it was me who was mad and who was ill. I had to change who I was. I had to find a way of being a better person. Now I know it wasn't me at all.

To some extent I think nobody will ever understand unless they go through it themselves. How can anyone understand why you stay knowing you will get hurt again and again? I think I need to accept that there is just no explaining some things.

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foolonthehill · 25/11/2011 22:25

I stayed because i started off believing I could help heal him with love,
when that obviously wasn't going to happen I stayed because i believed what he told me that I really was driving him to do what he did.
When that wore off i stayed because i was too broken, self doubting and scared to leave.
When that wore off i stayed because his behaviour was escalating so bad i didn't know what to do at all.
And then i left on the turn of a page, for no apparent external reason except i suddenly saw it was him not me, and that he was damaging DCs as well as me, and it was never going to get better.

And i used to put my head in my hands and wonder why people who i had set bones, dressed cuts and burns and arranged refuge places for got out to the car park and went home with their abuser...talk about blind leading the blind!

The important thing is not to go there again, and to live long, well and free. The best revenge!

wisebird · 25/11/2011 23:07

It is almost impossible for others to understand why abused women stay. But they do. Sadly. I think it may be to do with being too unsure, underconfident and ground down to take the first step into the unknown. And there is def some weird thing about dependency that goes on. I too would love to know how to explain it, because if it can be explained, then perhaps it can be addressed more easily: MN is full of threads where posters tell the OP to leave, and when she is unwilling, some accuse her of being a bad mother, or not listening to advice, or whatever, without seemingly having the imagination to be in her fearful, shaky place where the very man abusing her is also her security and the only man who knows what she is going through and understands. I reckon it is for the same reasons that young rape victims not infrequently date their attackers after the assault Sad. Maybe this too normalises the situation and so makes it more acceptable in their own minds.

swallowedAfly · 25/11/2011 23:12

i guess the honest thing to say is, 'because he messed my head up so much i couldn't think straight or know i deserved better' or even, 'because he messed with my head so much it drove me mad'.

something that i guess gets across that it isn't only your body that was abused and in some ways maybe the head stuff was even more awful.

SirSugar · 26/11/2011 09:23

I stayed.
I was scared he would take the DCs/come after me and I would never have peace.
If I stayed at least I knew where he was; like keep your enemies closer, if that makes sense.

Then he died which was utter relief, when I knew he was going to die, all I could think about was the fact that I was going to be free

gobbycow · 26/11/2011 09:33

I stayed because I loved him. I still do love him. But he is too ill to have in my life and too ill to be in the dc's life, because he was making us ill too.

I feel really sorry for him. I love him, but I love me and my kids too. My kids come first.

HoudiniHissy · 27/11/2011 08:30

We stay because we fall for the guy he is at the beginning, the persona he uses to reel us in. We spend the rest of our relationship trying to get that back.

It never ocurrs to us that the person we love is an act, and the manipulative, snarling, menacing brute we find ourselves with is really who he is when he stops trying to impress.

Have no sympathy for them. They don't deserve it. They never spared US any sympathies did they?

babyhammock · 27/11/2011 14:02

google trauma bonding (Stockholm syndrome) too x

HoudiniHissy · 27/11/2011 16:28

I don't think Stockholm Syndrome is the right thing to suggest actually.

The abuser wears the victim down until they can not think for themselves without second guessing, they are told they are nothing without the abuser, that the abuser is their life. That's not Stockholm Syndrome, that is out and out destruction of a fellow human being until they are incapable of imagining a way out.

Normalisation, manipulation teamed with isolation result in the victim thinking that

(a) it's not THAT bad
(b) everyone lives like that
(c) we deserve it.

Then there is the perceived stigma of Single Parents.
The appearance of us having failed, that it is OUR fault we can't keep HIM happy.

Also the fear that we can't survive financially, that we have no friends or family to help us, and that the actual act of packing our things, removing our DC from their home, their father and their schools is too much just because he shouts/rants/hits us every so often. Because we blame ourselves for not keeping the peace, we deem it as our fault that he hits/attacks us, so we stay.

babyhammock · 27/11/2011 16:50

I think there are lots of factors and many more once you have children.. but trauma bonding as an addition to the rest of it made alot of sense to me.
Have a look anyway

victimsofpsychopaths.wordpress.com/traumatic-bonding/

HoudiniHissy · 27/11/2011 16:56

Are all abusers psychopaths though? There are a lot that are, there are a lot that have personality disorders, narcisissm for example.

My x doesn't tick any disorder boxes, I've tried to model him into something, but can't. he is just abusive.

HoudiniHissy · 27/11/2011 16:59

Stockholm Syndrome, for me, is borne of a trauma jointly shared. That the captor is the saviour of the hostage. OK so that may apply in some situations, but certainly not in others.

Emotional Paralysis however applies in most if not all abusive situations, because we are robbed of the confidence of our own abilities/minds.

HoudiniHissy · 27/11/2011 17:00

It also, in some way, shifts some of the blame of attachment to a deeply flawed individual onto the victim.

That, I think, is what irks me in this.

HumanFly · 27/11/2011 17:01

I stayed in the beginning because I loved him. I continued to stay because I was frightened to death he would never leave me alone, that he'd find me and eventually kill me. I was terrified every time I read in the paper about another person killed by their partner (and God, there seemed to be so, SO many in the news. Always after they'd gotten away.)

In the end, he left me. I'm grateful we didn't have children, so they didn't see their mother be so weak and lacking in self-esteem to walk away.

babyhammock · 27/11/2011 17:23

I see it as trauma bonding rather than stockholm as such iuswim... That link summed up my situation very well. Self esteem too. Looking back mine was very low prob because of my parents so with someone like my ex (who I do think is psychopathic but no I don't think all abusers are) I was ripe for the pickings so to speak..

And then like humanfly I was terrified of what would happen/what he would do to us if we left... and I was right to be scared :-(

gobbycow · 27/11/2011 18:08

My H is a narcissistic abuser, caused by sexual and other abuse as a child. He was not abusive all the time, they're not, but when triggered, would "act out". He is the text book victim of childhood sexual abuse.

Narc, in that I merely became an extension of him and ceased to exist in my own right. That was "tolerable" when I was nursing small children, but unfortunately, as my name suggests, his constant assertions of my "madness" I dealt with, by going to the doctors. And I found out lots of things.

It was never me, it's him, He projects....a lot, as do all narcs.

My mother and sisters are narcs.

My grandparents were narcs.

There's narc behaviour right across the board in both my parent's families, with the exception of one aunt...who has got very ill instead. This goes back generations.

Haven't quite worked out my father yet....he seemed to just hide, then get ill and die....which I can relate to frighteningly well. Except he was never a gobby cow, like I am.

There is incest, alcohol abuse, and serious drug abuse...everywhere, in mine and H's families.

The entire family system is shot to bits. And being the scapegoat, and quite bright, has saved me and hopefully my kids.

Abuse doesn't happen in a vacuum, kind of being the point to all of that.

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