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ds mental health and H behaviour (Sorry long)

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TravellerForEver · 17/11/2011 09:49

My issue is a bit of a mix between a relationship problem and some parenting issues. But I though all those lovely ladies from MN could help me getting a better picture and reassure me I am not making things up.

We have a big problem with ds with low self-esteem and a possible self-harming.
A few days ago, ds just 'lost' it for a better word. Screaming, crying, kicking furniture, pulling his (very liked) soft toys into bits and shouting 'I am stupid, I am the most stupid person in the world'.
He was also bitting his hand and knee, enough to have some strong teeth marks but not enough to draw blood iyswim.
In my eyes, ds looked full of anger, anger against himself because he had been sent to his room for repeately misbehaving at the table. Also full of anxiety and unable to see that making one mistake doesn't amke a 'bad person' or a 'stupid person'.
ds is just 8yo.

On the other side, there is H who seems unable to deal with the dcs wo putting them down, especially ds.
We are were at breaking point a few months ago and I told him that putting the dcs down is a deal braker for me and that, if things didn't improve, we would get divorced.
To be fair, H is trying or I think he is.

BUT, when we talked about ds and what we could do I had the same old answers 'I didn't think it was such an issue' & 'I don't know what we can do about it'. Actually he couldn't even tell me what he would propose to do to start finding solutions and help. I would have though googling and finding a few books about it was a straight forward answer.
I felt I was going back a few years ago when I ended up dealing wih the dc's problems on my own and quite often swimming against the tide or rather against him.
He did realize it meant that our parenting wasn't OK, which he interpreted as 'I am a crap parent' (Well tbh, yes he has been but I probaky have been too, not the least because of all the stress I was/am under).
I also said that the way our relationship has been had a profound impact on the dcs and that we needed to think about it carefully. Again no answer on that front.

A few issues here for me:
1- I do believe that ds reactions were completely over the top and that the bitting is very close (or should be treated?) as self-harming. I am very concerned that if he acts like this now at 8yo, this will transform itself in full self-harm behaviour as a teenager. So for me, this is ds mental health that is at stake.
2- I am totally unconvinced by H reaction. It made me feel like he knows there are some big issues but would much prefer avoiding tackling them because this is a very unconfortable place to be in. Think about the ostrich putting their head in the sand. Also I would have though that as a caring parent, he would have wanted to jump & do something etc.. but looked very passive to me.

So could you tell me, am I over reacting when I am talking about self-harm and ds mental health?
Am I wrong to thinking that H isn't right now in a place where he can make the changes he has to make?

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TravellerForEver · 17/11/2011 11:35

Tries to put calm and practical hat on.

So 2 things need to be done
1- separation
2- finding help for ds (through GP or I have contacted my very nice psychotherapist to see if she or someone she knows can help)

How do you present that to ds so that, even if both things happen at the same time, he doesn't hink we are getting divorced because of him?

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TravellerForEver · 17/11/2011 11:37

I talked to 'Young Minds' too. Reaction was 'You need to speak to one of our specialized counsellor/psychologist. Can we have your phone number and ring you back' :( Makes it so real suddenly.

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TravellerForEver · 17/11/2011 11:38

MrsVoltar I read that book too. It is good :)

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cestlavielife · 17/11/2011 11:41

well done for seeking help. focus on you and DS and speaking to someone .
realise you cant change DH (only DH can change himself) but you can act to amke sure DS gets help he needs.

and if after discussing with the professionals you take the view that separation is best then so be it.

speak to profressioanls first you and DS.
then try and bring DH on board - but if he refuses then well you know where you stand...

Thingumy · 17/11/2011 11:48

Yes well done for seeking help for ds and you.

I think you should broach ds with by talking about getting some help with his 'worries'.

Just keep it very light for the moment.

TravellerForEver · 17/11/2011 18:53

Had a quick talk with H tonight and asked him if he had though about ds and what we could do.
Cue for him to look absolutely offended.
'But I was at work. I didn't have time to look and think about it!'

Arrrg....

H has now left for the evening (for his hobby). Obvioulsy no crisis going on and no need to sit down together.

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NotJustClassic · 17/11/2011 19:54

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noseinbook · 17/11/2011 22:24

Yes, I don't get this 'haven't had time to think' thing either - STBX has always done it. What do they do while they're travelling to and from work, taking a break, whatever? Are their heads just empty?

Great that you are taking action. I had a feeling you might already be aware of the things I said in my first post re talking to dcs about behaviour, have been spectacularly unsuccessful in getting STBX up to speed re united front with the kids over the years, so had nothing to say about that!

TravellerForEver · 18/11/2011 08:58

Noseinbook, yes I know.
As it happens I have been working from home yesterday (or I should have, spent miles too much time on MN and googling...). So yes I had 'more free time' than he had.
But then if I had gone to the office, I would have thought about it during the commute to work, and prob would have googled during lunch time. It would have been at the front of my mind.

I took that as a sign that he doesn't think it is an issue (or doesn't want to see it as an issue).

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schroedingersdodo · 18/11/2011 23:49

What OP and Itsmeandmypuppy have written have made me think a lot about myself. I think I've been in the same position as your DS, OP, and only in the last few years my dad's effect on my self esteem has become clear (lots of what you say about your DH applies to my dad).

What I want to say is that your DS is lucky because you're figuring it all out now he's 8 yo, and there's plenty of time to repair things. I only understood how unacceptable my dad's behaviour was when I had my own DS - and I was 31 yo.

I'd say the priority is looking for counselling for DS (and maybe for DH, if he accepts/wants it) and only then thinking of a split. At least you know what is going on: you're in a better position than my mum was (and in the end I'm not terribly damaged, and as your DS is in a better position than me, I think he'll be fine).

TravellerForEver · 19/11/2011 20:57

Thanks that's always nice to hear about people with positive stories like this.

Today I spoke to H and asked him again what he thought about the situation.
ds had been telling me today that 'he doesn't like who he is' which rattled me a lot.

Well according to H, ds saying he has tummy aches & headaches and the very open display of angst is ... attention seeking.
We are going to see a child psychologist early this week who will then advise on the best course of action (support for ds, family counselling etc..) and he is obviously expecting the counsellor to support this thesis.
Apparently, it is also a possibility that ds is being bullied at school... even though he can't wait to go to school, moans when the school hols arrive and all the teachers have always describe him as being a happy child.

He doesn't want to see what is going on is he?

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garlicbutter · 20/11/2011 03:42

I found www.windows8update.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/head-in-the-sand.jpg this for you - but this is more artistic! Or this?

Congratulations on getting the psychologist sorted out so soon. What you're doing is wise and necessary, but takes courage. I applaud you.

Poor DS, loathing himself at that age :(
Good luck!

TravellerForEver · 20/11/2011 07:24

garlic you made me laugh!

You know I don't think I am either wise or courageous. If I had been, I wouldn't have accepted H's behaviour at all and I would have got divorced a long time ago.

But I do try and do my best and tbh it's not hard to see ds is really unhappy.

The appointmentt this week is just an assessment. I hope that it won't take too long after that to start the sessions themselves.

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TravellerForEver · 20/11/2011 07:24

btw what were you doing up at 3.00am?

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garlicbutter · 20/11/2011 15:29

Glad you got a giggle Grin

I'd spent so much time mumsnetting, I had to stay up late to catch up on work Blush

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