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I have got the blame for everything !!! long thread about his ex wife and their kids

23 replies

Dinkiedoo · 29/10/2011 14:38

I met my husband a couple of years after he had separated from his wife and the divorce was finalised about a month later . They had been married for about 6 years and she had a son from a previous marriage and they also have a son together. Hubby brought her son up as his own .When we first met they had a couple of evenings out as a family but then she got involved with someone and that stopped.She took down the family pictures in the house too.
Back then we only saw each other once a week as we lived a fair distance away and he had the kids sat an sun.
When things became more serious ,after about a year, I met his son I also met her.Her son used to stay upstairs and I did not meet him properly for a while.
We used to get on ok but as time went by she became a bit of a pest. The boyfriend had met someone else and she was on her own .She used to ask hubby to do jobs for her and even asked him to go halves on some flooring !
Things came to a head when we got married.Hubby went halves on something with her and as usual she did not cough up her half so he took it out of her maintenance......his idea ..not mine.Well she went ballistic ...I did advise him to tell her but she found out through her bank statement .She threatened him with CSA so he told her to go for it and she actually ended up with less money than she was getting privately .
A number of screaming phone calls and abusive texts were sent but things seemed to settle .
Last year another incident happened and they fell out and now it seems that I am the one being blamed for everything. Her son and his girlfriend want nothing to do with me after all I have allegedly done and it seems contact has been severed with hubby too.
At one time we were close with his step son and girlfriend but they have turned against us.
I have urged hubby to speak to him but he wont but says he will continue to send cards etc. I have told him not to include me in that after the things that have been said to me by them .He should have a relationship with his step son..I dont have to and chose not to but if he does its not a problem.
In the past it has been me who has instigated nice thing for them .Presents and days out etc .I even asked the step son to give a reading at our wedding and gave my bouquet to his girlfriend and now this .
I can see my husbands relationship with his own son deteriorating and have suggested that they have some guy time together and have even packed them off go carting and paintballing together .His son is quieter and quieter every time we see him no wand I often wonder if tongues have been clacking in his ear shot :-(

Thanks for reading my novel

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Robotindisguise · 29/10/2011 16:29

Well, your husband needs to grow a pair and stand up for you to his children. How old are they?

Dinkiedoo · 29/10/2011 16:32

the step son is 23 his son 18
he is anything for a quiet life sadly

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Robotindisguise · 29/10/2011 16:37

Well, you're not having much of a quiet life, are you?

Dinkiedoo · 29/10/2011 16:44

not me ...he is tho
his ex is a manipulative hysterical so and so at times so he lies low whenever there is any problems involving her

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Dinkiedoo · 17/01/2012 18:50

update . we got a christmas card off step son and have not heard from Cruella for about 3 months now...bliss
His step son can still go whistle dixie until I get an apology and it will take more than a card to placate me .
Husband sent a text to say thank you .Also one to say happy new year but did not get a reply .

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HoudiniHissy · 17/01/2012 19:04

Stop demonising her FFS!

He didn't tell her that he was taking money from the maintenance and just did it? I'd be livid too! That maintenance has nothing to do with the private purchase.

He's ALLOWED everyone to blame you for everything. he's not stood up for you to anyone. Your issue is WITH HIM.

If he bins you, perhaps his NEXT partner will be allowed to think that YOU ARE THE MANIPULATIVE HYSTERICAL too. Ever thought about that?

If he tackled the issues head on and like an adult, rather than just reacting and ignoring things, perhaps her temper might be a lot more even.

You say by your own admission that YOU are the one that organises the nice stuff, presents etc. WHY IS THAT? cos your H can't be arsed to do stuff for his family? How very unattractive. And he can't even tell them that YOU are the nice one, cos then it shows HIM up.

He's putting himself FIRST, Second and Third and you are nowhere to be seen.

Disclaimer - I'm in a pissy mood, so this has come across stronger than I intended, but you are pointing your finger at the wrong villain here.

TheCrunchUnderfoot · 17/01/2012 19:47

What Hissy said - exactly.

Open your eyes. Your problem is with the yellow-bellied human marshmallow that you are married to, alas.

Vicky0790 · 17/01/2012 19:55

If the youngest is 18 then he is an adult and maybe you no longer pay maintenance? There is no need for you to have contact with his mother, can you not try and start again and build another 'adult' relationship with both boys? If not at least they and you and dh know you've tried.

UnlikelyAmazonian · 17/01/2012 20:25

I find these kind of problems difficult as I got flamed terribly when I posted years ago about the awful shit my exH's former partner put me through when we were together. She was awful. Truly unforgivably awful.

Imo, truly awful exes really do exist and, especially where dc are involved, that can make life hideous for the partner who has a new relationship/marriage. Both for men and women.

I often think now that my also doubly awful exH should have stayed with his awful diabolical exp as they were both as bad as each other.

Anyway. Despite all of the terrible crap she threw at me, I never wrote about her the way you have written about your H's ex wife. 'manipulative hysterical' is just not nice or sisterly. And calling her 'cruella' etc. Sad Unnecessary - for your own

Very very unseemly on an anonymous internet forum. God only knows what you say about her in RL.

She is the mother of your wanky Husband's DC so she deserves a modicum of respect no matter how shitty she is. [said through gritted teeth but this is what I felt with my exH's terrible dp ] plus no doubt her son with your Husband will always love his mum.

Just back off and don't engage with her and don't fight your weak as --piss husband's battles for him.

MyexH enjoyed the drama of it. Maybe your husband dioes too - he obviously knows exactly which buttons to push to make her blow a gasket. He should set up standing orders, be totally clear about money and stop being such a manipulative dumbfuck himself.

You won't believe any of it though until you too are clamouring for his CSA payments. Sad

Dinkiedoo · 18/01/2012 10:58

what saints you all are taking shit of some neurotic woman and not saying a word against her .yes my husband is a selfish git but every time he did something nice of his own volition he was slagged off for it.He left a house that HE paid for so the kids would not get disrupted and was told thats what a father does. He also took her bills for credit cards with him .He was conned into getting loads of presents (off her to the kids) off the internet as she said she did not have time and she never paid him back .So the last "lets go halves" incident she again did not pay him back he took matters into his own hands.( we are talking about less than 20 pounds here not a fortune and before any one says well she is a single mum this single mum works full time and gets a third of hubbys wages plus family allowance and family tax credit. She was at this time getting more than the CSA assessed that she was entitled to.(by £100 or more depending on his wages )he then got the screaming phone calls calling me fit to burn and I can assure you she used more colourful names than a cartoon character ! I was blamed for this too. I have been bad mouthed to the children and other relatives .Why ? I have no clue. I had nothing to do with their break up ...we met well after they split. I may vent about her on here but I do not slag her off to the whole western hemisphere like she does ! I have not seen her for years .I choose not too as he is a nasty two faced woman so why play happy families?She can say what she wants about me my husband and I know the truth and one day the kids will .I would not stoop so low as to sound off to them and nor would my husband .

She now gets the money allotted by the CSA which is a lot less than hubby was paying voluntarily so shot herself in the foot hasnt she .
I wont treat her with respect ....you earn respect its not taken as given.
I also wont be worrying about my CSA payments should I get a divorce as me and husband do not have children and am a bit old to be having any !

Yes he is selfish and an complete arse sometimes and I often feel like kicking him up it and from now on he can handle her and them .

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WaitingForMe · 18/01/2012 15:18

While I'm willing to allow that there are truly awful exwives, in many cases it does seem to me that it's poorly managed situations and while you can't control another person, you can control how you react to them.

It should happen once that you get conned into handing over money. More than once and you're an idiot. Messing with maintenance is completely wrong and I'd go ape at my DH if he did that to his ex. That is part of her budget for her mortgage and bills for the place where DSSs live!

I'm no saint but I try to be an adult.

QueenofWhatever · 18/01/2012 21:24

I have to agree with the others here. Also the kids are adults, his ex is not really part of your lives anymore. I'm guessing he's paying maintenance for the younger one because he's in education. Well, that can't go on for ever so just bite your tongue and count down the months.

His choice to take her credit card bills, his choice to do jobs for her, his choice to let her bad mouth you and not stand up for you. Your choice to let him treat you with so little respect. He's not cherishing and adoring you is he?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza · 19/01/2012 02:01

She wanted to make maintenance official with the CSA and to punish her your husband now pays less than he previously agreed to? What a charmer [Hmm]

How can you respect someone who would let his kids suffer to get one over on an ex?

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza · 19/01/2012 02:03

Also, this?

His step son can still go whistle dixie until I get an apology and it will take more than a card to placate me .

You might want to rethink who the manipulative hysterical is in all this.

You all sound as bad as each other.

Dinkiedoo · 19/01/2012 06:59

what a nasty load of fuckwits you are
I came on here to vent and maybe get some support and good advice . I have had anything but !

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Abitwobblynow · 19/01/2012 08:02

Dinkie don't be cross with us.

Sometimes it is very hard to have some reality pointed out. This is why counsellors take it gently and slowly, so people can get through their own denial and face the truth when they are ready for it.

Listen: all dysfunctional human relationships work in a triangle. I am pissed off with Jane so instead of having it out (respectfully) with her, I bitch about her to Mary, behind her back. Cowardly, unfair, dishonest and toxic. We do it ALL THE TIME.

Another triangle: husband feels pissed off with wife, resentfully thinks about how hard he works to pay for everything which is totally taken for granted by wife who focusses on the kids - so he finds and fucks OW. Cowardly, unfair, dishonest and toxic.

Your triangle: how it is described, especially well, by Houdini.

YOUR WORK: to recognise the triangle, to really see how your husband hides behind you, and to decline to be part of the dance. Don't blame the wife and the kids. He was wrong over the maintenance, he is wrong over his passivity, he is wrong to allow you to be blamed.

But: you can't change him, you can only change yourself. Decline to do his hard work for him. Develop your own relationship with the kids (and even maybe the exwife, I bet his easy life attitude was the dealbreaker) tell them straight: sorry your Mum and your Dad don't handle things right (but let's not let that affect us). Maybe you could have a mutual discussion of 1. what they do wrong and 2. how they should interact properly.

UnlikelyAmazonian · 19/01/2012 22:01

From now on, anyone who uses the word 'hubby' is a red flag for me

StewieGriffinsMom · 19/01/2012 22:06

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HoudiniHissy · 19/01/2012 22:57

Good, OP! NOW you are talking!

KICK him 'up it' and let him deal with it ALL.

His kids are HIS. The maintenance, also his, his choice.

He buys their presents, he does it ALL... From now on. You are not letting the DSC down, you are merely allowing their father to parent them. without interference from you. LET him get on with it.

You are carrying a selfish and weak man.

I know it hurts to hear it, and it's so much easier to blame anyone else than the one you married... but your H is allowing OTHERS to blame YOU... when it's HIS responsibility.

HoudiniHissy · 19/01/2012 22:58

Most of us are NOT point the finger at YOU.

OK so we don't like the hysterical manipulative crap, because that is what came out of HIS mouth to you, and for the good reason that YOU don't make HIM do more stuff because of that comment. You see? he's played you there!

ALL of us are calling HIM out on HIS treatment of you.

OK so you can't see it, but actually we are all on YOUR side.

Back off and get him to step up.

samhaircin · 19/01/2012 23:14

I feel for you OP but do think your husband's passive (if somewhat understandable) attitude is feeding the problem.

Unlike some others, I think it is ok to come on here and vent annonymously, and if she is a manipulative hysteric then it is ok to say that. I don't think she automatically deserves respect regardless of how she behaves. Just because she is a mother doesn't mean she is a good one. There are plenty of bads ones as we can see from some of the threads on here (e.g. see the Stately Homes thread) It might be politic to act civilly in front of her, but that is different. I don't believe there is a sisterhood (and the ex obviously doesn't think so either!).

But it sounds like your husband never really learned how to deal with her effectively, and was inclined to give in to her which of course only feeds the crazy behaviour in the long-run. Some of it might have been with the best of intentions, like he was trying stop arguments, or trying to avoid putting the children in the middle of an argument, or trying to avoid telling his children their mother is telling lies about you, but really he needs to find some way of standing up for you now (and it should be easier now that they are adults, in terms of they should be better able to handle it and be more mature, but maybe harder for your OH to do because of years of habit of not doing it).

To some of the other posters, I don't think it is entirely fair to call the husband an idiot over his behaviour (even if his behaviour can be seen as somewhat stupid) as he probably got worn down over the years, and conditioned into giving in to the extent that he may not even see how much he is doing it. And how many women do we see posting on here, perfectly articulate sensible women, getting manipulated by men, or the same man, in the same ways over and over again? It happens for a mixture of reasons but also because some people are just very good at being manipulative, getting their own way, getting money out of people and so on. Sometimes it takes quite a few times for the person to get burned before they learn how to see it coming and to stop it in its tracks.

The husband may have been a victim of emotional and verbal abuse as well (if the ex was crazy enough) but may not even be aware of what this is, or how to deal with it.

But OP I think your husband needs to change his behaviour, but he might need advice on how to approach things with his kids. You might also need counselling or someone to talk to so you can vent in a safe place and also talk things through with someone. I am going to PM you a link to an internet group you might be interested in (I am not sure if it is relevant to your situation but it might be).

Jux · 19/01/2012 23:17

My childhood best friend got married to a man her parents didn't approve of. They were horrible to him and some of the things they said were unforgiveable. Years later, when they'd been celebrating their 20th anniversary - big party - my friend's dad made a speech in which he said that his son-in-law was the best son-in-law a man could hope to have, and extolled his virtues and thanked him for looking after his daughter so well, and so on and so on. It was a really moving moment to those of use who had been there at the beginning. Son-in-law cried. They had got to know each other and loved each other dearly.

If you can forge an individual relationship with the stepson you may get an apology later - maybe years later. I promise you it will be worth it. You may get something like that from your dh's ss eventually, but you have to put a lot in yourself. Keep the lines of communication open. Sign the cards. It's too petty not to. Show him how a mature adult behaves in adversity.

Dotmurray · 20/01/2012 19:38

have you considered gobbling his goose?

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