Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Serious difficulties with Mum - advice and thoughts gratefully recieved

38 replies

Wills · 29/10/2003 11:28

I've been having problems with Mum for quite some time now and am at a complete loss as to how to handle it and mend bridges so to speak. To tell the whole story would take a long long time so I'll try very hard to summarise. Basically I returned to work after the birth of my dd1 with severe pnd which remained undiagnosed for almost 2 years. I've since recovered and found an extremely helpful councellor who helped me through the whole thing. On returning to work my mum looked after dd1 "for me". However despite sitting down with her and discussing how I wanted dd1 looked after/raised i.e. food, discipline, etc etc she ignored everything and did whatever she wanted anyway. Sometimes this put dd1's life at risk (sorry to sound meladramatic but its a little hard to be told by your mother that your dd1 (aged 2.5) has run off and that she simply sitting in the middle of a busy shopping centre waiting for her to come back because she's not got the energy to chase her (despite me buying her a wrist strap)). I have a nut allergy and my mother doesn't bother checking foods for nuts - I could go on but I hope you get the picture. Another bone of contention is that my mother would never take her out to groups always stating that she could entertain dd1 perfectly well herself. Indeed she goes out of her way to stimulate her (often over) but she also needed interaction with other children so eventually I booked a nursery. It was a whole term before I finally persauded my mother to take her. Then it was only 6 sessions out of a whole term. We rowed and rowed with her calling me a bad mother and that I was treating my dd1 as a doorstop key child (i.e. one that is not cared for by its parents but left to fend for itself). In the end I started taking her before I went to work and eventually my mother begrudgingly agreed that dd1 did actually adore it.

The current trouble started when I left work to go onto maternity leave. Naturally I don't want to go round to my mother's every day and simply sit on her sofa. She's furious with me and has come up with various ways of trying to make me feel guilty. She's not very well, she has rheumatoid arthritus, but at the same time she's not doing anything to help herself i.e. she's seriously overwieght (by about 10 stone) and wont stop eating). Eventually before dd2 was born she managed to make me book a very expensive holiday this christmas to Florida with her and my stepfather ("because this might be the last one she can ever take" blah blah blah.) Its rubbish of course and now I'm going to have to cut short my maternity leave because of it. I was stupid to be bullied in this way and am seriously regretting it. Because of this I'm starting to stand my ground and have filled mine and my daughter's lives with going out, going to clubs and generally having a good time being a SAHM. I'm thoroughly enjoying being a full time mum and am trying to find a means of earning money in a different way so that I don't have to return to work. (my current job is in the city and often I leave home at 6.30 and don't get back in until 7.00 which doesn't leave my time to see my children). We've looked at surving on just my dh's salary but we can't do it so that's not an option. My mother's reaction to all of this is that I must be punishing her by keeping dd1 purposely away from her. I'm not doing that at all, but at the same time I'm not really catering for her.

One solution would be to set time aside each week for dd1 to go over to see her Nana. I have a number of concerns about this. 1. My mother's lack of desire to see dd2 really upsets me. 2. I don't want to be beholden to certain times iyswim. I have a free timetable to fill at my leisure etc and I really enjoy that. 3. I find it difficult to deal with the fact I'm expected to turn up, deliver one of my children, and then go away.

She's just been on the phone in floods of tears. This used to make me jump and do whatever she wanted but now it just fills me with disgust. I'm not used to feeling like this about my mother, we used to be so close. I've mentioned that I want to find alternative means of earning money and her reaction is always to put me down. If I try to parent dd1 my mother always criticises how I do it. If either dh or I say we're going to do/get something, she goes out of her way to do it first. Its distnctly like being in competion and I hate it. This is someone I love very very much and I really don't understand her behaviour and feel really hurt. I've tried and tried to talk to her and she sits there in tears promising it will get better but she never changes.

I'm going away with her for a fortnight in 7 weeks time and am really really dreading. What the heck can I do?

OP posts:
Wills · 01/11/2003 21:17

Well tomorrow evening is "d-day". We have friends (dd1's godparents) to stay for the weekend and my dm rang this morning to ask if they could have dd1 over for a couple of hours. I reminded her that dd1's godparents (+ 2 children of around the same age as mine) where here to which she said so? She then asked could she she dd1 tomorrow. I explained once again that they had come for the weekend. I gently explained that today we were going out for the day and that she was very welcome to come along and join. She informed me this was not acceptable and that she wanted dd1 now. I explained that I was very sorry but no. I also explained that since there was a child of the same age as dd1 here that I doubted dd1 would want to leave. Mum was furious. She informed that this was not good enough. That the way I was treating her was "disgusting". That I had "discarded" her after using her to look after dd1 for 3.5 years. In an attempt to placate I appologised for using her for 3.5 years and said that yes I had been wrong for doing that - sorry. This was not the direction she wanted to go in so she changed tack and went on about how disgraceful I was to use in such ways and then throw her away. After a few minutes unfortunately I lost my cool and said "For goodness sake I couldn't get my daughter away from you - you wouldn't let go" - which is how I've felt for the last 2.5 years AT LEAST! She proceeded to tell me I was playing games etc to which I simply said - "oh mum go away" - so she did - put the phone down on me. I walked away shaking but in many ways relieved. Unfortunately she phoned again. This time dh answered and went for her a little. He finally passed the phone across to me and she demanded that I went over to her house there and then. I refused, and we eventually negotiated (I've never really negotiated with her before its just been her shouting/crying/threatening and me eventually caving in) and she has agreed to come over tomorrow evening AFTER our dear friends have left. I worrying a little about tomorrow but not too much. My dh wanted to sit down with me and sort out what we wanted, but I said that I simply wanted life to continue as it has recently i.e. I hope I have the strength to say "this is the way my life will be and that you're very welcome to join in but not to dicate/lead/or bully". The problem is that I'm 34 years old and disagreements with my dm sort of fit a well rehersed pattern. Its almost as though there is a script - she shouts/crys/bullys - I give in and say sorry - its well rehersed. What I'm most nervous about is that I will somehow give in for the sake of peace/easy life and the whole resentment/battle etc will start again. I want somehow to say "I'm not getting a new job/moving to scotland/New York etc, I'm staying here and you are welcome to be part of our lives but you will need to fit in with us not me to you. This is the way its going to be" No shouting, no bickering, just a simple statement of fact. Somehow I don't believe this will happen. My dm (and unfortunately I as well) possesses (sp?) a very barbed tongue and she can really really hurt when she wants to and she really knows my weak points.

Ultimately though if she does invoke a complete fight and we leave not talking (like when she put the phone down on me this morning) - I would still feel better than if I simply give in again. Must try to remember this.

OP posts:
beetroot · 01/11/2003 21:21

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn

Eowyn · 01/11/2003 21:45

I wish you well. I also have a nut allergy & am absolutely horrified that your mother gave your dd nuts, if you feel like giving in to her I would think the possible consequences of her doing that would be a good way of staying strong.
Honestly, it is too awful, if anyone did that to my dd I wouldn't let her near them again (& my dad is convinced she isn't allergic, but I really don't think he would ever do anything to endanger her).

anais · 01/11/2003 22:09

Having seen your response to my last post, I think that if she chooses not to compromise then it is her problem. You have given her the option of seeing dd and if she chooses not to when she has the chance, then she doesn't deserve to have you put yourself out for her.

Am I right thinking she's coming to you for this meeting instead of you going to her? Can you have dh with you? I would sit down with him before hand and agree what terms you can accept and how much you are prepared to compromise and then stand firm. It would be good if dh was there to back you up if you weakened.

Just say to her what you said to us in your last message.

I just want to reiterate that (IMO) if you are offering her opportunities to see dd then she either does it on your terms or not at all. That is her choice. Tell her what is acceptable and then don't give in to her.

Good luck, stay strong, and (((hugs)))

Janstar · 01/11/2003 22:57

Well done, Wills. Keep up the good work

prufrock · 02/11/2003 12:07

Wills you've done the most difficult bit in taking the decision to change your relationship. Tonight will be hard, just try to stay calm. Rehearse your calm staement of fact and just carry on repeating them whenever it gets heated. Remember that the horrid things she will undoubtedley say about you are actually more about her being a bully than really reflective of your actions. Make sure the kids don't get involved, and if necessary ask her to leave. As you said, better for her to be out of your life than it in in teh way she is at the moment.
Above all, do remain calm. And whatever you do, don't have a drink beforehand (I'm speaking from bitter experience here!)

Enid · 02/11/2003 13:27

Good luck Wills. I would say that it is ESSENTIAL that you have dh with you during this 'chat'. Your speech about not moving to NY and wanting her to be part of your lives sounds excellent to me. You just have to stick at it, keep repeating it if need be, whilst trying not to raise your voice/lose your temper.

You are absolutely doing the right thing. Try and keep calm and step back from the situation. She will use lots of emotional blackmail to get at you, be aware of that and be ready for it! Love Ex

jampot · 02/11/2003 14:03

I have just read this thread and deeply sympathise with you Wills. It sounds to me like your mum's jealous of your daughter (although I am sure she loves her all the same). By you becoming a mum you have moved your relationship with your mum into a place where she's not comfortable (ie. not your main priority). I think you need to have some time with your mum on your own to enjoy each other again. Perhaps it would help if you and your daughter made a scrap book which she can fill in with all the things she likes doing with your mum - ie. days out, baking, stories etc and that can be their little book to share their memories and fun.

marialuisa · 02/11/2003 15:33

Keep strong, you are doing the right thing!

Wills · 03/11/2003 09:53

Phew - I did alright ! In the end she refused to come over to my house and I refused to go to hers so we compromised and met in a pub. This did at least mean that she couldn't start "hurling" abuse at me etc. I was there for over two and half hours and it was extremely intense and there were many times when I felt that we were going to part ways and move on. However I do feel that I made a break through and we seemed to start understanding each other. So much so that she has agreed that I need space and that she will try not to see this as rejection. We talked about how I felt undermined and we discussed a lot of recent scenarios - her understanding of the situation and my understanding of the situation seem often to be poles apart but there were occasions where she did simply appologise. For instance, since the M&M incidence it appears that she's not given dd1 any sweets at all - I had not realised this - however at the same time she is still not reading labels properly and as a compromise I think I'm going to have to regularly inform her of all foods that I don't want my dds eating.

I told her that her love was like a light going on or off and she offered to try and change that, however I don't think she can change, but I can. If we are to have a relationship then I need to be able to ignore my dm when she's not happy with what I'm doing. Likewise she needs not to see it as rejection. I managed to say (quite a few times ) I love you but I don't need you. She reacted at first by saying that I wasn't showing any gratitude for all the support she gave me and it took me a long time to explain to her that often she was asking for gratitude for something I often didn't need or even want and that it was a little hard to keep showing gratitude in those instances!

Anyway as I said above she has agreed that I need a lot more space. We have agreed to try and communicate better (but we always agree this we just never manage it ) and finally..... we have agreed that I and my family will look for a hotel ! This last bit was a compromise - we're going to Orlando for the first week and there we're staying in an enormous villa, but the second week we're in a small villa with only three beds and that it will feel even more cramped given that my brother and his family are also now coming - (they already live in the USA).

OP posts:
lucy123 · 03/11/2003 10:17

Yay! well done Wills. That really sounds like progress to me.

Have a good holiday!

marialuisa · 03/11/2003 11:00

Well done! Hope the holiday goes well!

beebee · 03/11/2003 18:57

Well done Wills - it's really good that you were able to say everything that you wanted and it sounds like she was able to listen too!!

The holiday compromise sounds brilliant and i hope you have a great time. Keep up the assertive communication and stick at it and hopefully this is the start of your new relationship with her............go girl!!

New posts on this thread. Refresh page