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Do I have a leg to stand on here or should I just go along with it?

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Mandy03 · 22/12/2005 22:18

In brief my dh wants to move away from the city we are now living in, to a coastal area so that he can buy a business and have a change of career/lifestyle etc etc. He's in his mid 40's and while he has a good, well-paying job here, he keeps saying that he's had enough and wants to do something else. I guess what he means is that he'd like to be his own boss for a change and have an opportunity to make more money.

The difference between us is that dh has nothing to keep him here. He's always been a bit like this and when he gets an idea about something he wants to do, he doesn't see why he shouldn't just be able to do it. He has two grown-up sons who are now supporting themselves (they live in a nearby area but we don't see them very often), his mother has just moved a long distance away, and he has no real close friends or relationships here. He hardly ever sees or contacts his relatives so that's not important to him either, & in fact most of his relationships seem to be more like 'acquaintances', eg. his colleagues.

On the other hand I have some long-term friends here and have my son is settled into a good school, I'm also a part-time student & work part-time. My family are close by and have a good relationship with both me and my son, which is important because I am a family-oriented person whereas dh is definitely not. My parents in particular have tried really hard for YEARS to make dh feel like one of the family but he's never really returned the effort of trying to get to know them, and in fact I think he tries to avoid them most of the time - but that's another story I suppose. Over the past few years (since I became a mother) I have worked really hard at building relationships with other mums, making some new friendships and more recently getting involved with ds' school, and am just at a point where I feel he is very settled - and that we are both very 'entrenched' in our lives here. Dh on the other hand finds it very easy not to put down any roots and can't see why I shouldn't be able to just pick up and go. I understand that he has his career/life/job satisfaction to think about but he seems very unwilling to consider any other options except THIS one.

Should I have the attitude that he's the main breadwinner and therefore I should go wherever he wants to go, or is it reasonable to tell him that I simply don't want to do it because of all the reasons I've listed above? He knows I'm not happy about the thought of moving away from the city we live in, but he truly thinks I shouldn't have an issue with it. It's now becoming a bone of contention and I don't know what to do. I know that families pick up and move every day if the husband gets transferred or gets a promotion, but this is just something that dh wants to do and I'm not the sort of person who just likes to get up and go for the sake of it. This business may end up being a great opportunity, but on the other hand if it's the wrong decision it might make us all unhappier and dh a LOT busier. I would be interested to hear how others would feel and what you would do if you were in my shoes.. thanks.

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AChristmasCarolinamoon · 22/12/2005 22:25

Hmmm. He's being a bit of a tosser IMHO. I wouldn't move away from my family for work if it could be avoided.

Can he look for a business opportunity where you are now?

ambercat · 22/12/2005 22:34

My dh got a job 75miles away from where we live. He left it upto me whether we moved the there or not. I chose not to move for similar reasons ,friends children just settled in school, and my job. I also moved here in the 1st place because of his job, did'nt know anyone and i really could'nt face starting all over again somewhere new.
Anyway it works quite well, dh commutes home about 2 or 3 evenings aweek and weekend, its along drive for him and he has to leave at about 5.30am but he never complains.

What i'm trying to say is , is there any way of comprimising?

Sleighmenere · 22/12/2005 22:49

I think what the issue is here is quality of life, yours seems to be pretty good atm, his is not so ie he doesn't enjoy his job too much. I think you have to try to find a balance. What do you think he would be like to live with if you refused to move? How happy would you all be?

Mandy03 · 22/12/2005 22:56

AChristmasCarolinamoon, I've asked him repeatedly to look for a business where we are now, to which he says "I've tried" but I know for a fact that he hasn't tried very hard at all - he just wants this particular business and he likes the area where it's based. I told him last night that he's not thinking of anyone else but himself, and the response he gives me is that 'he's doing this for all of us, not just for him' and that 'he doesn't want to spend the rest of his life living here', blah blah blah. The thing is that because he DOESN'T have any roots anywhere, it's such an easy decision for him to make.

Now it's gotten to the point where he gets angry with me for not wanting to move and he gives me the silent treatment for days. He also tries to manipulate the situation by saying that I just want him to remain in the same job for the rest of his life (nothing could be further from the truth - I don't care if he wants to do something else, a career change, whatever - I just don't want to move away from here at this point in my life). He also threatens to just quit his job. He's even tried to enter into negotiations to buy this business without having my agreement about it, but luckily the current owners weren't interested in his offer. Quite frankly I'm just sick of him disrupting my life every few years .

PS Ambercat I've tried talking to him about a compromise (commuting etc) but he's not interested in doing that. He says he doesn't want to spend all that time driving, and that we couldn't afford for him to have a place to stay at the coast while I still lived here, so he thinks the only option is to move.

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Mandy03 · 22/12/2005 23:16

yes - ds is OUR son.

And you're right, he is very stubborn. I believe he put his ex-wife through something similar when their 2 children were very small. Wanted to go off and work for an international airline which would've meant him being away for around 6 months of the year. I don't think she was happy at all, it never happened but every few years he seems to want to do something like this no matter who it's going to affect. Just because he finds it easy to get up and go. I realise he feels that staying here year after year is not very thrilling but we have a family to think of, he doesn't seem to see it the same way though. I'm happy to move HOUSE and for him to find another job/career, but I just want to stay in the same city for the time being. I don't think I'm asking too much but he's acting as though I'm stopping him from living his life.

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XmasPud · 23/12/2005 08:36

If this type of dream happens every few years it sounds like he is running away from something, maybe even himself. Are you sure that there aren?t any other real reasons behind all this? Is he feeling inadequate somehow or that he hasn?t achieved enough, is he bored? Is your home life what he wants it to be? Is there anything more sinister going on? etc I would want him to take a long hard look at his motives to work out what is driving him to do something so extreme at such a cost to the rest of you - people he loves.
When people chase dreams, sometimes it is through a normal natural drive to go for something new. Often it is more about leaving something behind rather than deal with it, and to avoid thinking about the past and now, focussing on what is ahead.
Sorry if I sound a little suspicious, just I would be in your shoes!

brusselsbeansprout · 23/12/2005 08:38

He doesn't sound too happy. Sorry if this is harsh but his inability to put down roots and make friends doesn't mean that you should all have to move because he says it is time too. I think he thinks the grass is greener when the fact is, he has done this before. He will still take him with him, IYSWIM, and it doesn't sound like the answer to everything.

I'm concerned as well that he seems so set on something that would make you unhappy.

brusselsbeansprout · 23/12/2005 08:39

well put xmas pud!

Mandy03 · 24/12/2005 06:00

brusselsbeansprout and XmasPud, I think you're both right. He seems to be trying to 'better' himself all the time and unfortunately a lot of the people he works with have their own businesses and are making a lot more money than him. Deep down I don't think his self-worth is that great - he didn't have the happiest childhood as his mum left home when he was 5 1/2 and he was put straight into boarding school, where he basically grew up. I don't think he saw her for a long time & probably never understood why he couldn't stay at home with his father. Anyway that's water under the bridge now but I do think it's affected him.

I think he sees this as a lifestyle change for all of us and a chance to have a bigger income & a more secure future, which I don't mind him pursuing, but surely we don't have to leave town for him to have his own business?? As you said brusselsbeansprout, I don't think he's very happy or fulfilled and he sees this as a way to make a new start. Trouble is, he can't seem to consider ds or myself in this decision and thinks that we should just be able to uproot and go. Sometimes I feel that he's being very selfish about it and other times I wonder if I'm being unreasonable but not even considering it. Wish I had an answer .

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Mergirl · 24/12/2005 08:31

No, he does not have the right to make you move just becuase he is the main breadwinner.

His quality of life (career, job satisfaction etc) is not more important than yours just because he is the breadwinner. I'm sure you actually contribute at least as much as he does to the household overall, just maybe its a bit less quantifiable (looking after the kids, housework, shopping etc). That doesn't make it irrelevant or dispensable. And what about your ds' security?

I'm sorry if this is harsh but it sounds like he needs to consider your needs a bit more.

If I was in your shoes I would probably suggest he went alone, returning at weekends. And that I got designated time off at weekends to make up for the 24/7 childcare I had been doing (but my 2 are very little, so it is 24/7).

I should say that I have worked, both before and after the kids) and been a SAHM. My job was acknowlged to be a particularly stressful and difficult one. And being a SAHM is harder (but more rewarding for me). Make him do a week alone with the kids if he doubts this.

MIstletAOU · 24/12/2005 09:30

Hmmm I think that if you bent on this one Mandy, then a few years down the line he will likely do it again anyway and want to move to another new area. As xmas pud and beansprout have suggested, it is a pattern of behaviour, not a reaction to a one-off situation.

WickedWinterWitch · 24/12/2005 09:33

He's unreasonable imo. Can't he do his business thing where you are now? How much of a risk is it? Are you happy with that risk? Does it involve putting your house up? No, just because he earns the majority of the income doesn't mean he can ride roughshod over what you want, that isn't a partnership. Ooh, just read what xmaspud said and I totally agree, I think he's trying to run away from himself and he needs to get to the root of that issue because moving won't resolve it.

notasheep · 24/12/2005 10:00

Mandy03- here is a positive experience for you- I sold my house,my business and left my friends so dp could go to University(not my choice) 250 miles away.The move was a nightmare but 4 years down the line my life is good.I have more friends then ever before,live in an area which has the lowest crime rate,good school for dd.I do not have any family around here but my support network from friends makes up for it.
I am not suggessting for one moment that you should move but sometimes it does work out

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