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Alcoholic MIL: Out to Ruin

45 replies

Spenguin · 12/08/2011 21:48

Dear all,

Please don't think that this is just a random MIL bash. In fact, it's as if the person in question isn't really an MIL in the first place. I'll try to cut a long story short and not drip-feed.

I got married 3 weeks ago and my husband (26) has had a very rocky relationship with his 'mother'. She has a major drinking problem (has done since about 13), is from a non-deprived background (as in, a stable background - don't want to step on any toes!) and currently lives with her mother as she has made herself destitute through her drinking. My husband moved out of his mother's house when he was 14 to live with his grandmother i.e. his mother's mother as he couldn't take the alcoholic environment. His mother has been living with his grandmother for the past 3-4 years. He calls her by her first name or 'Mother' - never Mummy etc. He harbours immense rage for her.

In the past, I've found her rather pleasant. I had never seen her drunk. In fact, I just felt really sorry for her as she was unemployed and hates her mother, yet has to live with her. They do not live in the UK and I had met them a few times last summer (all without incident). This summer we went to their country, where my husband is from, to get married and just generally hang out there for a few weeks prior to the wedding. Over the last year I had spoken to and e-mailed the mother. I thought 'wow, how lucky I got a nice MIL!'

However, this summer's visit went so horribly wrong.

The height of the drama was when my then-fiance told his mother to put her cigarette out (it's his grandmother's house and she dislikes it too, but feels too scared to tell her own daughter not to do something). She retaliated by screaming like a banshee. A few hours later, and this is 4 days before our wedding, my fiance and I go to leave the house and she calls out 'Amy was 39, not 23'. This is in reference to my husband's first girlfriend (who he sees as an abuser. He 'dated' this person from when he was about 17 (just after his father had died and he was going through a rough time) for about 18 months on-and-off). I had no idea who she was talking about. I never knew the ex-gf's name and my husband had told me she was 29. My husband said she really was 39, but when we first got together told me 29 so as not to worry me.

I was livid with the mother. I went back into the house after about 20 mins and she had already geared up for a fight - was written all over her face. I have never had confrontation/an awkward moment in the slightest. I calmly said, 'why did you say that? What have I ever done to you?' She responded with, 'you've never done anything to me. I wanted to hurt him [my husband]'. He had spoken to her in the past about this older woman taking advantage of him and thus relayed how hurt and disturbed he was by it. He has often considered counselling. I told her she was evil, why did she seek to make others unhappy and was plain wrong, in all respects. She was getting hysterical and gesturing wildly with a lit cigarette in her hand. My husband then edged her back out on to the porch and shut the door on her - she was violent/close to it. She then broke the window to get back in and called the police on us.

A few weeks before, we had overheard the mother bitching about the two of us. She impersonated my British accent and mocking me for being 'hysterical over the wedding dress' and being all-round petty and mean-spirited. She got disinvited at that point.

When the reception day for the wedding rolled around, it emerged (after the evening) that some person had phoned the restaurant and tried to cancel the reception booking! The caller said the bride and groom weren't feeling very well - cancellation would have meant non-return of our £8000 deposit. Nobody cancels with that term written into a contract! A fake name was left and we're 99% sure it was the mother. She had also, prior to that, said, in a nasty tone, to my husband, 'there's not going to be a wedding'.

So, I really need your help. I'm sorry this is so long. Can anyone offer any insight into the mother? Is this really bizarre? She yelled at me that I was an idiot for agreeing to marry her son (but had previously said she was really glad we were getting married. She has never expressed dislike of me ever before).

Secondly, I was really scarred by the revelation of the ex-gf's real age. On one hand, I'm very angry that nobody looked out for my husband when he was 17 and said 'what the hell are you doing with this 39 year old woman and, moreover, what is she doing with you?'. It was a sexual relationship - but not until 18. I also am haunted my mental images and that he's not who I thought he was. I don't blame him for the relationship. He had just lost his father and he describes the person as a manipulator. My mother said I wanted things to be too perfect and that it's in his past and it's not like he cheated on me. A great weight would be lifted if I could come to terms with this woman and get closure.

Please help.

OP posts:
Gay40 · 12/08/2011 23:38

I don't get your reaction, that's the sticking point for me. It was over long before he met you, whatever definition or label he is giving it. However you do it, let it go and don't let it affect how you feel about him. Because even when he's long gone, it will STILL have happened but you won't have him any more. It won't be worth it.
It isn't fair to take it out on him.
His family - they need ignoring to the best of your ability.

NotQuiteSoDesperate · 12/08/2011 23:39

I'm sure your feelings are understandable - you want to protect someone you love from being so hurt, plus you are also maybe a bit jealous of his past. As I said, I used to have really strong "pangs" if I thought about my DH's past relationships when we first got together. And I know that he had similar thoughts about a past relationship of mine - because it was so horrible - he definitely felt protective of me.

But, you must take your mind off this. You are at the beginning of a long journey together - don't dwell on this and spoil the precious early days. Get busy with something positive together, love, and enjoy your marriage. Why not plan to do something nice this weekend?

I so wish I could go back to being three weeks married, when my DH was fit, happy and not disabled as he is now, and I was not chronically ill. Please don't waste your time, youth, health and energy on this any longer.

Best wishes X

squeakytoy · 12/08/2011 23:41

gay40 is absolutely right. You have to let this go. Especially if he doesnt have any problems with this now. There are aspects of my husbands life that happened long before we met which I dont think are ideal. I cant do anything about them though. It is part of HIS history, but not part of OUR history, and this is the same in your relationship.

Spenguin · 12/08/2011 23:44

Gay40 - I don't get my reaction either! I know my reaction is pointless and detrimental. I can understand he never betrayed me as he never knew me. I think I'm so irrational because I feel so shocked by how I can by the knowledge of it all...and it was like wham!, right before we got married.

Yet, I know my reaction is silly...I just can't get over it. It's like I'm 2 different people. One says 'you know this is silly' - and sometimes I can drop the thought, remember that we're married and feel very happy. But the other side of me sometimes just wants to cry.

It doesn't really affect our day to day relationship. We came up with a system whereby when I get one of these thoughts in my head, I'll squeeze his hand 3 times and so he'll know to console me without either one of us having to actually bring up the issue.

I do think about it less and less. There are just good days and bad days.

Thanks for all your input! Nice to have somewhere to vent and not feel like I'm driving myself insane.

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Spenguin · 12/08/2011 23:45

*The consolation never takes the form of comparing our relationship to past ones. It's very much 'I love you and only you. You make me happy every single day'...it's never 'Our relationship is better than X'.

He doesn't want to remember what happened with her either...and that's fine by me!

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Eurostar · 12/08/2011 23:59

There is a lot of anger around here. Your DH against the ex, his mother, her's against him. Have you experienced strong anger about events before in your life that seem out of proportion? Do you think you are starting to carry some of his anger for him?

I am struggling to understand why you are angry with him. Where is the surprise or shame in a 17 year old boy getting involved in a dysfunctional relationship when he has been brought up in dysfunction?

differentnameforthis · 13/08/2011 00:22

It's like the 17-19 year old him is a completely different person to what I know
now

Course it is!! Can you honestly say you are the same person you were at 17? I know that I am not. I am not as weak, not as easily led, not as easily manipulated!

You are blaming his adult self for choices he made as a child....

differentnameforthis · 13/08/2011 00:30

oh & at 15 I was in a relationship with a 21 yr old. Nothing happened that shouldn't have, until I instigated & was old enough. Yet no one, not my mum, step dad nor dad did anything about it or saw it as inappropriate.

I do wonder where their morals were, but I know that had they done anything, I wouldn't be with him 23yrs later. And really, mum not doing/saying anything was just more proof that she really didn't give a damn about me.

a) want to hurt their own son, who she professes to love

You need to understand that some mothers/fathers do want to hurt their children. Unfortunately, not every child is loved to the extent you (more then likely) were.

b) seeks to hurt me - even when she's said that I've never done anything to her

Because by hurting you, she hurts him. Which is why my mother will need meet my children, because she will hurt them to get at me.

He needs to decide if it is worth keeping this women in his life.

differentnameforthis · 13/08/2011 00:32

Which is why my mother will never meet my children,

squeakytoy · 13/08/2011 00:41

Differentname, thats not a massively huge age gap for you and your partner though. Confused. I was seeing someone 5 years older than me when I was that age, and nobody thought anything untowards about it.

differentnameforthis · 13/08/2011 00:44

and I feel rage, resentment and distrust of him all over again

Then you need to start dealing with why you feel such strong emotions about his relationship that is in the past & has no bearing on your relationship now.

You say you feel the above when you think of him with her, to me, it doesn't read like a 'wanting to protect him issue' it reads like a possession issue. That some part of you resents that he had this relationship in the first place. And all those feelings within the first 4 weeks of marriage really aren't great basis for a lasting, happy, healthy relationship, are they?

All that aside, you could just concede that his mother had done exactly what she planned to do all along & that is, she has put a wedge firmly between you. She has thrown a new twist on your relationship & now you are letting it tear you apart. If that happens, she has won, hasn't she?

differentnameforthis · 13/08/2011 00:45

squeaky, no....but not at all appropriate for him to be spending the night & taking me off for weekends at 15. I certainly don't think I would allow my 15 yr that level of freedom with a 21yr I barely know.

squeakytoy · 13/08/2011 00:50

God no, I was never allowed a boyfriend to spend the night... although my parents were both incredibly naive Blush... I think they assumed that sex only happened in bed at night-time... and when I was at his house, we were not allowed to be up in his room on our own either.... so maybe that was a generational thing of our parents!

By the time I was 16 we were travelling down the length of the country to visit my relatives, and it was still separate beds there too.

evenlessnarkypuffin · 13/08/2011 00:51

I'm 32. The idea of being sexually involved with a 17/18 year old makes me feel sick. As a 15 year old it doesn't seem odd to be with a 21 year old, but by the time you hit 21 the idea of a seeing a 15 year old is disturbing.

squeakytoy · 13/08/2011 00:54

I suppose it all depends on the maturity of the individuals concerned. I have known 17yr old males who look and act much older than their years, yet on the other hand I have known lads the same age who look and act 13 still. Same for girls too.

differentnameforthis · 13/08/2011 01:00

Yeah, see it wasn't that they were naive, just that mum & step dad were going through a huge bad patch & she was having an affair (that ended her marriage & ironically her OM was only 2yrs older than my bf - now dh -) and everyone was too busy to see what was happening with me.

I am grateful that he had some morals, he says now that he isn't sure why he thought it was ok. And that he wouldn't allow our girls that level of freedom in that situation.

When I went to my dads, it was, I guess that he never questioned his ex's (mum's) decision to let us share a room, or be alone for extended periods.

I guess I feel a bit Shock that no one saw it as wrong at the time. Which did work out in our favour, obviously.

differentnameforthis · 13/08/2011 01:04

He did say that I seemed very mature, squeaky. Stopping him drink driving by taking his keys & refusing to give them back (which in hindsight was stupid, he was much bigger than me at the time & I was babysitting, so alone, really). He credits me with stopping him drink driving for good because of that, which is one thing his family couldn't achieve.

squeakytoy · 13/08/2011 01:05

I think things have also changed a lot over the years. You are not much younger than me, and it was a lot more acceptable back then for girls to have boyfriends a few years older than them.

The way my mum looked at it was, I could be getting upto exactly the same with a boy my own age anyway... and possibly treated with a lot less respect, as 15yr old boys are not reknowned for being all that great at relationships.

Oddly enough though, my mum was 3 years older than my dad and he was 15 when they met! Although school leaving age was 14 back then.

differentnameforthis · 13/08/2011 01:20

I agree that things were different back then. Don't get me wrong, it isn't something that dominates my life, or that I worry about. Just now & then, on threads like these, I start to wonder.

And yes, I could have easily been getting up to all sorts with guys my own age, true. In fact I was dumped for a girl that would, because I wouldn't. And he was 16.

solidgoldbrass · 13/08/2011 02:00

Blimey, you and your H are a good match! You're both inclined to blame everyone else for everything and make huge dramas out of fuck all. It must be very, very tiring to live like that. OK so he grew up with an alcoholic, volatile mother - what made you so irrational and stressy?

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