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How could he do this?

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giantpurplepeopleeater · 04/08/2011 23:07

I have been with 'D'P for nearly 6 years. Last July, after being told repeatedly I was unable to have children due to a medical condition we found out I was 4 months gone with DS - was such a shock and we weren't ready so have made a lot of changes in the past year - we have moved, I sold my flat and went on maternity leave, for the first 5/6 months of having DS my DP spent one week with us and one week away for work until he could get a transfer.

I have really struggled both before and after the birth. I didn't have a great pregnancy, and got stressed out as we didn't have much time to prepare, was signed off work for three weeks for stress/ anxiety, ended up having SPD and spending the last month in bed, then had a pretty traumatic birth which led to me and DSbeing in hospital for a week after the birth. DS was then diagnosed with a rare condition which will mean he has to have his skull operate on when he is 14 months old.

The SPD pain has continued and I am still recieving physio and pain meds to deal with it (altho much better than it was). The anxiety continued too - and has gotten worse. I was diagnosed with PND in March, and have been trying to manage it through lifestyle changes and peer support etc. Have just been back to the docs this week as this is not working and I am getting stressed out too much and getting overwhelmed so am starting anti-d's and being put forward for councelling. I have also now been diagnosed with IBS - thought to be stress related. Have not got to grips with new motherhood that easily and have really missed work.

There has also been other stuff going on in the background. There has been a big re-structure at work and I have been under threat of redundancy. I still don't know what it will mean for my job and my return, and also my Mom was diagnosed with cancer in September and has been undergoing treatment since then.

All this has culminated in me being unable to control my moods, being very highly strung and generally being a bit of a nightmare to live with over the last 9 months or so. I have my good days and my bad, but I can quite regularly end up taking things out on DP. I apologise for this to him, and try to explain, but he is not much of a talker and generally doesn't want to talk about feelings and emotions. I'm pretty sure he doesn't understand what I am going through.

Anyway the other day he left. He told me he can't do it anymore and that he isn't happy.

I have tried to speak with him anumber of times, but he says he doesn't want to talk about he. He tells me he will only talk to me if its about DS or what we do about breaking up (finances, house etc).

This has all come just days into me trying another route to address my PND - getting the anti-d's and looking for counselling, asking for more support from parents, trying to get on top of some stuff thats worrying me proactively rather than waiting for it to happen. I have asked him if he will try to work with me so we can have a go at making it better, and at least try for the sake of DS. He point blank refuses.

How can a man who supposedly loves you kick you when you are down like this? This is the point where I need him the most and he has just run off saying 'i'm not happy' and 'I can't do this anymore'.

To be honest I am normally a very self-sufficient person, and have never really relied on him a lot. It seems like the first real bad patch, and the first time I am leaning on him a lot, and expecting quite a lot from him, and he bolts.

How can he think that this will make anything better? How can he not see that I am struggling anyway, and that this will only make things worse?

I have told him that I realised I was putting too much pressure on him, hence my asking my family to help me more. I have told him I understand how hurt he must be sometimes with the way I act but that I find it very difficult to control. It's all falling on deaf ears and now he refuses to talk to me. Not sure what to do.

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honeyandsalt · 05/08/2011 10:41

Yeah, she choose pregnancy, SPD, PND, and IBS Hmm. If you were interested in the actual situation apocalypto you would have read her posts properly and noticed that she was repeated told she couldn't have kids, didn't know she was pregnant 'til wayyyy too late to consider a termination, and nobody chooses SPD, IBS or PND ffs.

It sounds to me like you're angry with someone else and are using to OP as a punch bag. Nice. Real nice.

Apocalypto · 05/08/2011 11:27

@ her hissyness: do you agree that everyone is entitled to exit an abusive relationship? How is this not such?

As he possibly sees it he's there to provide labour and cash and to be a whipping boy. He's there to have her moods and frustrations taken out on him. His own wants and needs don't even merit a mention in the top post. If he asserts himself he's somehow "weak". The OP thinks communication simply means talking. If the talking - which is really complaining - doesn't produce the answer she wants, the subject is returned to again and again, until it does. Because she's ill she's excused from behaving civilly, and this also trumps his normal right to leave if unhappy.

I think it probably does take a large amount of moral courage to depart an intolerable relationship, if in so doing, you lose a significant amount of contact with your new child. It's not the same as a man buggering off, when after 6 months the woman he's been sleeping with gets pregnant, and never being seen again. That's explicitly what's not happening here.

@ honeyandsalt: calm down. I am pointing out that unless the OP believes her ex is simply evil, there will be reasons for what he is doing, likely relating to his having what he perceives as the shit end of the stick. I agree she didn't choose any of those things. Neither did he, but she did choose to punish him for her suffering. If he has a crap day at work and shouts at her and the kids is that also OK? He didn't choose to have a crap day, right?

At the OP - sorry if I sounded harsh on you. That was't the aim. I've simply set out the thoughts he may have had en route to thinking "....well she can fuck off, actually". That's how I meant you to take what I said.

Have you ever had a row with an ex where they said in amazement "What did I do??" and you said "If you don't know then I can't explain it to you?" Is that's what's up here?

Men IME have unstated but high expectations of women in the EQ department. Men expect women to 'get' them and other people. If you cannot see why he's unhappy - that's why he wants to leave.

honeyandsalt · 05/08/2011 11:39

I am calm Smile - sorry if I sounded harsh, but it did come across like you were blaming the OP for her illnesses. In addition there is no evidence here to suggest that she does not acknowledge or regret "lashing out" at him. Indeed she has grovelled before him plenty for it - what do you expect her to do, out of interest?

The truth is that mental illness is very difficult to live with. I know from experience that one feels that one cannot express one's own flustrations and opinions for fear of setting off the ill person or making it worse. It's tough. But the OP was acknowledging their problems and trying to work through them whereas he just, well, bolted. Doesn't seem like the courageous approach to me.

giantpurplepeopleeater · 05/08/2011 11:52

Totally take your point Apocalypto - and its helped me to calm down a lot!

I see what your saying and I get it. It's not so much 'How can he do this to me?' but more along the lines of .. Bloody hell, look what were doing to each other.

I still think that if we talked to one another we could both maybe put our anger about it all behind us. Whether this ended up with us giving things another go, or fostering a civil relationship for the sake of DS... but yes, I can see why he doesn't want to.

Not really sure what I do about all this now though. Where do we go from here? I can't just give up and let it all hapen to me, but equally I can't force him into doing anything he doesn't want to do. I'm just left in limbo.

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JeffTracy · 05/08/2011 11:55

Thank god for Apocalypto and SGB. He doesn't sound spineless or deadbeat at all - didn't he get a transfer at work to be nearer home? And moved house when they found out about the new baby?

As to him not talking, I am not sure I would want to talk much with a "nightmare" partner who in her own words "takes things out" on me. Does it sound likely any discussion is going to be constructive?

It sounds like both OP and her partner have had a really difficult time.

OP, surely it is early days in all this? Maybe when you both have time to think about things you can have a proper conversation and even decide all is not lost? I really hope so. Take care.

Apocalypto · 05/08/2011 12:16

@ Jeff

I think so too.

I would, honestly, do two things here. One would be initially to take him at his word and see if he actually performs as a father over the next few months; not just writing cheques, but spending time. Let him take the child off your hands for a day or a weekend. You will get a rest, he will get to bond and also will experience what is involved and how hard it can be. If he starts to wimp out then we do indeed have a deadbeat on our hands and you'll eventually want him out anyway.

The other thing is give it a few weeks and then write to him. Say you're writing because this is not intended to be a confrontation, admit error, admit being horrible, remind him why you were good as an item, move past blame and offer him partnership, affection, and a fresh start with your adorable new child who will be glad to know him better. Stuff like that.

If you find yourself gritting your teeth writing this stuff then stop and give up - it means your heart's not in it.

If you do it and he still doesn't want to know, then you did your honest best, you tried. Nobody can hold it against you if you are doing your very very best, what more can you do? But if it's not enough then he probably moved out mentally some time ago. In that case this isn't anybody's fault, it is nobody's fault if someone gets ill and the other can't handle it, so give yourself permission to grieve a bit. If he died he'd be gone, if he's not who you thought he was he's just as gone. And then move on.

And FWIW do not imagine that because you have a child you now have 'baggage' and nobody else will want you. It is complete balls, to many men a prospective partner with a child is preferable because

  • you can have children
  • you like children
  • you know about children
  • instant sibling!
  • he can stop at one child but you'll still have two
  • he's got an excuse to buy a dog right away
  • football! tank museums! Airfix kits! Meccano! Boy stuff!

It's an urban myth I reckon - blokes put off by children are largely the ones you'd want to put off anyway.

So basically cool it, test him out and get back to us...

CuddlyNemesis · 05/08/2011 12:16

I'm so sorry you've had to go through all this... I can't offer you the wonderful advice you've given me, but I just wanted to say that I hope you can get this sorted out very soon.

Thinking of you.

giantpurplepeopleeater · 05/08/2011 12:18

And when I say 'doing to each other' I mean right now... him walking and refusing to talk and me blaming him for everything.

He didn't react to everything the way I expected him to....... so I saw it as him not caring/ supporting me. This is partly the reason I could get so angry at him sometimes (please don't think I was trying to be abusive, but we have been arguing fairly regularly recently) when we were arguing.

Have been thinking about it a lot ..... and what apocalypto says makes sense - we see it totally from two different points of view. He sees that he is doing what he is and getting no thanks from me, yet more dissapointment and anger, and I don't think he is supporting me because he didn't do what I wanted/ expected.

I can't blame him for reacting to it all the way he has though. He has probably been doing what he thought was right, or what he knew how to. I still find it hard though, when I think that he didn't try to talk to me and understand what was going on and how I thought we could get through this. Even when I tried to talk to him. But then I've always know he is not much of talker..... so why did I expect differently.

I do hope it is early days and that we can try to resolve some of this. I just don't know how he can cut all contact bar the odd text message. I can't say any of this to him and its killing me.

I feel guilty for my part in all of this, I do feel it's my fault, but then I feel angry at him for so many things, and so upset for whats happening and at a complete loss that I don't feel I can talk to anyone about this bar some strangers on a computer!!

Thank you for all your comments and advice though... like I say it is helping me sort through the juble in my head!

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QuintessentialShadow · 05/08/2011 12:19

Apocalypto is speaking a lot of to the point sense, from a relationship perspective. Though, it sounds harsh. But I think you are right about your assessment "bloody hell, what we are doing to eachother". It is carnage!
Dh and I went through a period of that, before he stepped up and became more supportive. Sometimes a baby, and health problems throws even the most stable relationships out into north atlantic storms. You just dont know how to handle it, you both end up seing only your own situation, and lack perspective of the other. The result is that both act as selfishly as they accuse the other of being.
At the moment, he does not want to listen. So respect that. But dont give up. Let him have a few days to himself, to think, to calm down.

I think one way you can approach this now is to suggest to him that you have done a lot of thinking, and realized you have not really considered him and his fealings lately, and you would be interested in finding out how he is doing. What he thinks. And listen to him. Let him know that you are keen to listen to him. And tell him that you have been so caught up in your own problems you have lost sight of him, your relationship and your family together. See how you go from there. He has heard enough about what YOU need, he knows this already. Try to think about what HE needs, and see if you can both work together in this.

If that makes sense, my mind is all over the place with moving preparations right now, so eloquence escape me totally.

Apocalypto · 05/08/2011 12:19

Oh and assuming you want to go this route I would ask him out when you write, and meet him without the baby, so it's more obviously a date...remind him why he likes you.

solidgoldbrass · 05/08/2011 15:58

I do think Apocalypto has a point, actually. Maybe a stronger, better man would have stuck it out for longer or been able to help more, but not everyone is strong enough to put up with a constantly unhappy, angry partner, even if the partner's rage and misery are due to the partner's sufferings. He didn't, after all, make you ill or cause your other problems.
Certainly GPPE, you need to leave him alone for the moment. Trying to make him discuss the end of the relationship with you is a really, really bad strategy - it will only make you feel more stressed out, and it will make him react defensively or angrily.
People do have a right to end a relationship that makes them unhappy. He has said he will discuss access, maintenance etc but not The Relationship - this is not villainy, it's an indication that he is trying to be fair.

mumsamilitant · 05/08/2011 16:21

I can see much of a similarity in this as when I had a baby. Look back now and think... Poor man! What was I like! Ended up never letting him do a thing as I DID IT ALL BETTER!!!! He's a man and dare I say it, gone to his cave. Don't pressure him, leave him alone at the moment, let the dust settle then try to talk.....

want2sleep · 05/08/2011 16:30

I guess your situation is different as he wants to know the child...that is good:)

My ex asked me to marry him on the Monday and left on the Friday ...2 days before my 5 month scan...he then didnt talk to me for 6 weeks....which he then said he met someone else loved her children more and didnt want anything more to do with me or his ds...I was blown away!!

I just got on with pregnancy kept myself busy etc...it was after ds was born it hit me. But it was the mind games after seeing ds then not for months on end...never made a penny maint and would constantly abuse me over the phone....wish he had fucked off and stayed away tbh.

you need to concentrate on your ds he needs you and you are going to need to be strong....don't take his blame on please...he walked... it was his decision dont let him blame you. If he didnt want to be in the situation anymore he should be man enough to say it and get on with it.
Just think of him as your dc dad....he has no empathy he didnt care you had depression as it is all about ME ME ME!!!! Sadly this man will never settle down down unless he meets a total doormat who will feed his attentional needs....he has done you a favour you are better rid.

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