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Difficult situation and no idea how to be

24 replies

hobbgoblin · 11/06/2011 18:00

I've namechanged to avoid the history colouring the present too much in terms of the responses I get here.

Hope AF and Chickens et al will see this and reply :)

DP and I have one child together and have been together several years but split up earlier this year after general demise of our relationship.

We split up many times short term over the course of our relationship and the same old issues returned everytime we tried again.

We are both with new partners of a few months. I'm happy in my new relationship but still miss DP a lot. DP is happy in his but disatisfied as his new partner is the total opposite to me and the type of woman he goes for historically. She is his breath of fresh air after our tumultuous relationship and he enjoys that.

I've been honest with my new DP about where I'm at in terms of recovery from our split and we have a relaxed set up where we will remain friends whatever happens. We started out as friends incidentally.

ExDP and I had a period of no contact at all to let the dust settle but now have communication due to our child. We spend time together with her and he sees her on his own. We get on fine when we take her out together.

EXDP has been open about his uncertainty whether the split was the right decision and we both agree that we have doubts but that we cannot go back to how it was.

I'm more up for trying to sort our broken relationship and ExDP is considering it but says he is very afraid of going back to what was a stressful set up.

The idea of even trying to fix things has come from him, not me but he knows I didn't want us to split.

We are considering spending time together as a couple but we are both continuing with our new relationships.

I find that this situation eats away at me a lot. He doesn't much like me being with my new man either but neither of us are prepared to give up on current relationships.

EXDP hasn't told his new GF about how he feels about me. She is oblivious. My new BF is aware but probab;ly not of the full extent of my feelings for my old relationship.

The problem is we need the time apart but are finding the time apart very difficult. We have the perfect relationship on paper but in reality it didn't work.

I'm pretty sure I know why but it raises deep fears over long ago issues for EXDP and this is why we never tried Relate or anything. He was just too scared and it was easier to keep on being half arsed in our relationship than to address the issues. What he has learned of course is that an unquestioning easy going new woman may resolve one situation but creates a less satisfying relationship overall.

We are not intimate with each other anymore although he would be if I allowed it, but we are very close - closer than a separated couple should be especially as we are both in new relationships.

Essentially, I don't know what to do.

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hobbgoblin · 11/06/2011 19:05

oh shit I haven't name changed

ho hum

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Littlefish · 11/06/2011 19:10

Hobb - is that you? Wink

threadsoffeeling · 11/06/2011 19:10

ask for the thread to be deleted asap

hobbgoblin · 11/06/2011 19:18

doesn't matter. I just wanted to post without all the shitty things he did influencing. I wanted fresh perspective. I can weigh it against what happened in the past and whether counselling can stp it happening again.

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cantfindamnnickname · 11/06/2011 19:23

Well I think you should finish your relationship tbh - why are you even involved with someone so quickly when there is still this massive "thing" between you.

Can you try family counselling? It doesnt have to be about getting you back together but maybe about helping you separate and move on.

I think you owe it to your current partner to step away and get your head straight.

TheOriginalFAB · 11/06/2011 19:24

I think you listen to your head and hour heart and go with what you really feel. Don't leave him because of anything other than it causes you or your children pain. Listen to your heart.

ninah · 11/06/2011 19:30

I've been on here 8 years and no idea of your history though I recognise your name. Your exdp sounds very disloyal to his 'unquestioning easy going new woman' and it sound the absolute nightmare scenario for both your current partners
maybe a bit of single time would benefit all of you?

Conflugenglugen · 11/06/2011 19:33

My advice would be to be alone for a while - put everything on hold - to get some much-needed perspective. My initial thought was that you both started other relationships very quickly, and nothing has been allowed to settle or to become clear.

Whether you're able to do that is another matter. I can feel the pull that you have towards each other from here. Which makes an even stronger argument for time out.

Conflugenglugen · 11/06/2011 19:36

x-post ninah

hobbgoblin · 11/06/2011 20:18

In my relationship with DD's father we would be very successful together but he would always put a brick wall up around himself whenever we got settled and things would sour. He was aggressive and at times incredibly horrible.

I have had months to reflect on things and we miss each other a lot despite a massive fear of going back to the rubbish relationship we had.

We have finally begun to talk about the real issues and the scripts we both have about men/women and our relationships with the opposite sex and patterns in our failed relationships.

I'm having counselling and he is considering it whether we get together again or not.

His script seems to be telling him not to let women get too close and mine is that I need to comply or bend over backwards for atttention. (His mother was killed, my father was always disatisfied with my efforts).

I believe that the only way forward for us would be to base our relationship on this sort of knowledge of who we are as people so we can empathise and compromise where in the past we used to infuriate (not quite the word I'm looking for) each other.

I'm not sure it would even work due to the push pull nature of 'us'. I do, however, know that on every other level we are very compatible and have a very easy way with each other. Personality wise, we compliment each other and we both care about one another a lot even though his actions sometimes made it appear not.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him being an arse. He is no cad but he can be very non-commital even though he is committed to what we share.

Don't know if this makes sense.

despite my honesty with current BF, I feel disloyal and feel a choice needs to be made whether to continue with my relationship with him.

The fact is, I haven't put my relationship with EXDP to bed and although I care very much for new BF and could be happy with him long term, my current feelings are getting in the way of a commitment to any future with him. I am hedging my bets and that is the last thing I wanted to be doing.

I think I will lose him simply because the timing isn't right and that makes me sad but my regret would be bigger if I didn't wait and see with DD's dad. He is her father afterall, and the man who I have the deeper bond with.

This is such a headfuck.

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squeakytoy · 11/06/2011 20:22

I would say you need to let your current partners go, both of you, as you cant hope to start rebuilding your relationship (which it seems you both want to do) while you are seeing other people.

I split with my husband for a while, and started seeing someone else, and it did make me realise that the grass wasnt greener, and that I wanted to fix what was wrong in my marriage.

I broke it off with the new boyfriend, and got back with my husband, and six years on we are happier than ever.

I dont know your back history, so my post is based purely on this thread.

LorettaMasonPotts · 11/06/2011 20:23

I have been in a similar situation, getting back with ex-h because we still wanted to be together but with unresolved issues. It couldn't and didn't work out for us.

I don't think you can get your heads and your problems sorted out while you are with new partners. I agree with Conflugenglugen, you need to be by yourself for a while. Get to know yourself with the help of some solo counselling, then as a couple or a family. It really is the only way or you will repeat the pattern again and again.

LorettaMasonPotts · 11/06/2011 20:26

x-post, hobbgoblin, your relationship sounds so similar to ex-h & mine. In the end, I just didn't have the emotional energy to work at it and I'm far more content by myself. Headfuck indeed.

hobbgoblin · 12/06/2011 15:49

Thanks for replies. I've been trying to distract myself from the issue all day by posting on Mnet under just about every other topic.

Well, yesterday I said to him that I found it difficult to believe that his GF was just company and not serious as he claims. I asked him if this was the case why the secrecy from her and told him it wasn't fair on any of us, least of all her.

He said he felt he should tell her and so arranged to do so that evening. The plan was we'd both carry on as we were, with our respective DPs, still separated, still not sleeping together, but making no commitment promises to the people we are seeing.

He called me late last night and told me he just couldn't tell her as she wouldn't like it.

Now is it just me, or does this mean he is TOTALLY waiting to see what develops between her and him, and I'm Plan B?

I assumed so and have cut all contact and will be returning the vehicle he pays for so that I can claim CSA from him instead. I am fuming. I didn't bother to hear him out, just out the phone down saying "I get the message" I may also have muttered about telling her myself

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Ragwort · 12/06/2011 15:55

I think you know the answer to this, yes, you are Plan B.

I don't know your history but from what I've read on this thread alone you are clearly better off without him. Don't string your current DP along - break off with him and concentrate on being yourself. Good Luck Smile.

BecauseImWorthIt · 12/06/2011 16:00

I think if he is really serious about you getting back together and trying again, he will have to agree to go to Relate. Either with you or on his own.

He sounds like a bit of an emotional coward, actually. You're probably not Plan B, but he can't bring himself to say something to his new GF which he knows will upset her. He is avoiding the issue with her, just as (it sounds like) he tries to ignore issues with you.

FabbyChic · 12/06/2011 16:04

You have hit the nail on the head, he was waiting to see how it panned with you keeping the other girl happy so that if it didn't work with you he would have her.

You are right to move forward from this.

hobbgoblin · 12/06/2011 16:06

And there lies the debate that has kept me making allwoances for years. :(

Part of me feels sorry for him that he is afraid of emotions, and tries to be all things to all people but manages to be a useless twat to everyone.

I feel like Plan B but wonder whether I am Plan A but he is afraid of admitting that and so that she is his safety net.

His actual words are that he is not 100 percent happy about deciding to separate but that he is terrified of giving it another go. However, he frequently feels the need to be with me.

Can I add that this isn't about sex. He wants to visit all the time just for half an hour or so, not doing much. Every time he asks to pop by and see me it sets me right back.

I'm so sad today, as well as angry.

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hobbgoblin · 12/06/2011 16:06

xpost Fab

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TotalChaos · 12/06/2011 16:20

I think you're being a bit too understanding about XP's emotional issues etc. Doesn't sound like he's changed/interested in changing out of the push me/pull you type pattern

hobbgoblin · 12/06/2011 17:24

He just asked me if I'd calmed down yet. FFs so arrogant

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Xales · 12/06/2011 17:33

Well......

Coming from the either of the new partners point of view just how selfish are the pair of you?

Yes you may not be making any promises but neither of you are committing to the new person or being totally honest with them. It is not fair to keep them on the back burner and allow them to develop feelings for either of you you.

I would let yours go as he obviously isn't a plan A.

Get yourself some counselling to find out why you think this is what a relationship should be and to make you happy on your own.

hobbgoblin · 12/06/2011 17:39

I have. Was supposed to be with him today. I was trying to let him be my plan a but I just can't. It took this weekend to realise fully. I told him last night but he was at a wedding so had the whole convo today.

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LorettaMasonPotts · 12/06/2011 20:28

Sad hobbgoblin. I can understand you not wanting to be alone in this. I can fully see why there are plan bs but it's so unfair on the other people involved in this.

You have done the right thing and that was brave of you.

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