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Did I handle it baldey? (Sorry, very long)

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TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 10:54

Hi all. I considered name changing for this, but I decided I didn?t want to risk anyone thinking I was a troll. For those who don?t know me (which is probably most of you) I?m a 27 year old man. I was uncertain where to put this one. I suppose it belongs with the mental health threads, but I wanted to talk to those who don?t really know much about the problem. I guess I just want to see if others would be feeling the same way as me and I think the important things I want to know is if I handled things badly or not. Did I do the best I could under the circumstances? Or could I have done better with the knowledge I had at the time?

My DP has Bipolar, but we didn?t know until late last year. She hadn?t really been herself since DD was born. But as DD started to cut down on breastfeeding, and DP?s periods returned, she started getting very unstable. The first thing I noticed was that she far more volatile than usual, which, at the time, I put down to hormones returning. Then came the far more erratic sex drive. Again, I just thought her hormones must be returning. But the erratic behaviour and moods continued for a couple of months.

There was an incident with my mother that ended up coming to blows. It was my mothers fault (and as a result I have had to cut contact with my mother and by extension most of my family, but that?s a whole different thread. But the thing is that the fight seemed to set DP off far worse. She became obsessed with playing a certain computer game over and over again, staying up half the night. I had no idea why, and I was getting irritated that she was doing this and sitting at the computer all day. So not only did I have to take over the cleaning and children on my own, but there was no entertainment at all. I keep thinking that if I?d have known why at the time, I would have been a lot more tolerant of the obsession. Would you have? Anyway, that?s not the most important bit.

Then she wanted to go on her first night out since DD was born. Far enough. Everyone needs a night out occasionally and I thought maybe she just needed to blow some steam. So she went on a night out with a male friend, who she?d known since long before I met her. That was fine and I didn?t have a problem with their friendship, I?d always trusted her before then. But when she came back, she was different.

Something had radically changed, and this wasn?t the woman I had been living with for 5 years. Her hair changed, she dressed more provocatively than before, she wore more make up, and barely slept at all. She suddenly wanted a tattoo in a very private area that she could show to everyone. She kept going on about this male friend, how he understood her and I didn?t. That we no longer fitted together. That she wanted to, ?had to,? she said, spend the night away with him. This was already ringing alarm bells, couple that along with her confessing many times recently to an unexplained desire to sleep with another man. I don?t think I reacted well, but anything I said was met with aggressive responses.

She was also spending all her time with this other male friend. On the phone, on facebook, he was all she talked about, when it wasn?t about how much she hated me.
About a day or two later, I remembered something from my a-level in psychology. I looked it up on the internet, and realised that her behaviour perfectly fitted bipolar. But what could I do about it? I tried to convince her to see someone, but that was met with hysterical aggression which I?d never seen before.
The behaviour was the most frightening I?d ever seen. I didn?t think it was possible to laugh hysterically, scream and cry your eyes out at the same time. It is. Also, I didn?t know it at the time, but she was having a two way conversation with at least three people who weren?t there, one of which claimed to be god. Along with visual hallucinations. I didn?t know what to do, but I had seen from reading up on the subject that this wouldn?t last more than a week, which left only a few days. She was suspicious and paranoid constantly, accusing me of planning to rape and beat her, which I had given her no reason to suspect. OK, so I had shouted back several times during the blazing rows that had happened lately. But never had I hit her, and under no circumstances would I have forced myself upon her.

But anyway, Thursday evening she changed again. She was no longer bouncing up and down, just up. Almost normal. I knew something had changed. I hoped it was over, but it didn?t look like it. Friday, she went out again. I couldn?t stop her, and she had assured me that this was just to burn off the rest of the energy in drinking, singing and dancing. I told myself it was true, despite what I knew was the truth.

That night I accidently found something on the computer. A confession that she had, in fact, slept with someone else. After all that had happened recently, the anger was immense. Almost too much for me. Had it not been for the fact that the DC?s were in bed, well I?d have gone straight out and, well, given into the aggression. As it was, DD waking up brought me back to normal.

But the most hurtful thing about it was how she had so casually thrown away our life together. The way she casually said that it wasn?t that important that I left her now. I didn?t want to touch her again. She rolled in at 5 o?clock in the morning, and I was still awake. I didn?t sleep at all that night. Even though the man I knew had done this with her was in my house with her (and I wanted to do something very nasty), I controlled myself knowing that to tell her I knew would send her down, and likely to a suicidal point.

So I kept quiet. I seethed. She went to bed, and soon called me. Somehow, I knew this was my DP. Not the stranger I had been living with for the last week. Shaking, she asked me to cuddle her to sleep. I was reluctant to, mainly because I was still angry and disgusted. But I did, just to stop her from crashing. And then, for some reason I don?t fully understand, I felt calm once she was lying asleep in my arms. Later on, I held her head as she was sick and shaking with the come down effect of leaving mania.

I told her the next day that I knew. She told me what happened, but refused to apologise for it or her behaviour. On the Monday, she finally saw a psychiatrist who wasted no time in referring her. For the next month, she still wasn?t herself. She expected me to leave her, so she kept her distance. She refused to admit that it was wrong to cheat. Even if she wasn?t herself, and I understood that, a part of me wanted her to show regret. To show that she didn?t want it to happen. But no, instead she made jokes comparing penis sizes, she spoke of the event as if it was humorous. And she was angry when I didn?t think it was very funny.

I became quite depressed. Please note here that I?m a very solitary person. I have no friends outside of work, and I?m not really close to any of them. I had also just lost my family, so I had no one to talk to about any of this. This is going to sound absolutely pathetic, but I actually talked to my boss about it. We get on very well, yes, but not enough to talk about personal stuff, if you know what I mean. I made out it was because I may have to take a day off now and then if anything happens, but I think he knew I just wanted to talk about it. I didn?t mention the other man, though. I haven?t mentioned that part to anyone. I can?t mention to anyone because I?m afraid that they will just tell me to leave her, I shouldn?t put up with it, I should hit him many times, etc.

She?s doing very well now, and I know exactly what to do if it happens again. In fact, I could probably write a thesis on the subject. She?s come close a couple of times and with my help has remained stable ever since.
I guess I just wanted to talk about this. So did I handle it badly? I don?t know. I will always wonder if I could have done better. If I had, would she have turned to me as she does now, and not this other man?

And although I can?t blame her or be angry at her, I can?t let go of the anger towards him. He knew there was something wrong. She had told him about the voices and the hallucinations. And yet he encouraged her to leave me, to turn against me, and to sleep with him. I?m so angry towards him that I really don?t think I could ever speak to him without receiving a hefty prison sentence. I still look around town whenever I?m there, hoping I?ll bump into him so that I can exact revenge. I don?t want to feel that way. I know better than anyone that holding onto anger can destroy you, and I am not a violent or aggressive person at all. I just want to be able to forget it ever happened.

How we eventually became a couple again is another part I feel guilty about. I needed a friend. I needed someone to talk to. So I found someone on a forum like this one (though not this one) and talked to her through a series of private messages. I thought it was safe, nothing would happen as she was on the other side of the world and I just wanted to talk. But I could see she was getting the wrong idea, and I was getting far to personal. While I was thinking of a way to end the conversation, DP came across out messages and it nearly sent her over the edge again. After I stopped her trying to kill herself, we talked all night and found our closeness again. I?m ashamed to admit that part of me was pleased with her reaction, as guilty as I felt about it. It showed she still cared when she had barely spoken to me in two months.

I discovered how violated the incident with the other man had made her feel. How she feels as if she was raped because she couldn?t give consent and would never have done that under normal circumstances. And I still think about. I blame him, and I blame myself for not being a man she could turn when she?d lost her mind. I know I could have if I?d have just know what to do, or what was going on. And then my DP wouldn?t have been through what was paramount to date-rape.

Am I right or not? Am I at least in part to blame? How would you have reacted? What would you have done? Thank you for reading this, sorry its so long. I had a lot to say that I haven?t spoken to anyone about before. I guess I just wanted to talk about it and get it off my chest so we can truly move on and forget about it.

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TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 11:14

Oops. Title should have said "Badly" Blush

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Sugarkane · 31/05/2011 11:17

I havent got much advice to give you as im sure someone with more experience will be along to help you soon but I didnt want your question to go unanswered. What a hard few months you have been through well done on being so strong.

Anniegetyourgun · 31/05/2011 11:21

It's very difficult to say. There probably was a better way of handling it, but for those of us with no experience of mental illness, how would we know what that was? (What would you have done, anyway? Locked her in the house? That might have brought its own problems.) One thing you can be proud of was that you recognised the symptoms and looked it up so you knew what you were dealing with. And however much horrible stuff was going on inside you, you didn't do anything that would lead to lasting regret. You may wish you had felt differently but really, we can't help how we feel, only what we do.

I suppose you hold on to anger against the man she became obsessed with because all the rage and pain you suffered had to go somewhere. It should not be directed at your DP because she clearly couldn't help it. The illness is to blame, but as an abstract you can hardly rage and beat your fists at it. So the man in the case cops it all. He's not blameless, as you say, but the best you can say for the sleazy so-and-so is that he may not have realised why she was suddenly throwing herself at him. She may have appeared to be fairly rational to him, perfectly well able to give consent. Of course it was in his interest to believe that, so he wouldn't be looking too hard for reasons. He certainly wouldn't have seen the worst of her as you did. He was weak and selfish, not necessarily wicked. He is not worth you getting into trouble for.

cestlavielife · 31/05/2011 11:32

i think you need to talk to profresisonals traine din MH issues who can help you - help you both move forward.

do you knwo for sure she completely stable? do you go to the psych appts with her? is she aware of the bipolar and recognises her own ups/downs. takes meds as needed.

it is very hard going thru these things - suicide threats etc - you need someone trained to talk to eg a counsellor.

the thinking that because she tried to kill herself means she really cares about you is somewhat skewed ...you really need to talk thru all this with a counsellor trained in MH isues - take to MIND, SANE etc.

reality is that living with someone with severe MH issues - you do need support - try MIND, SANE, RETHINK

and - focus on you and DC and providing a stable home for them.

www.rethink.org/

TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 11:41

Sugar - Thank you for saying that. Whilst I've seen from support boards for bipolar partners how poorly some partners deal with this sort of thing, I don't feel very strong. I felt so weak and powerless to stop anything happening. I felt as though my family had gone, I had lost all my friends several years ago, and now my marriage was falling apart and I couldn't stop it.

Anniegetyourgun - You are, of course, absolutely right. The anger does have to be directed somewhere, and this illness has to be treated with absolute calmness and tact. Locking her up, yes she would have smashed her way out and harmed herself in the process. What could I have done differently? Well, I now know how to talk to her in order to not be met with aggressive responses, and that means she doesn't hate being arround me when she goes. That's most of the battle, really. And I would have encouraged the obsession with the game more, so that it may have seen her through to the end of the episode without anything bad happening.

As for him, he knew. You couldn't not know. As I said, she was arguing with herself, she has hysterical, she looked as though she was drunk, on LSD and speed at the same time. And he had known her for years, so he knew this was out of charactor. And I knew him as a friend as well, until then. Weak and selfish, yes. DP says I should let fate punish him, as he is wasting his life away obsessing about a lesbian he cannot have Hmm and chasing a dream about stardome that he is not good enough for. It is quite pathetic, yes.

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TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 11:47

cestlavielife - Yes, I'm aware it is skewed. I'm aware it is wrong, and I am not proud of the thought. But it was there. Even if only for a moment.

She's going to her appointments but the doctor doesn't want me in there with her. They haven't prescribed meds yet as she's now pregnant (yes, it's mine before you ask) At the moment, yes she's stable. I know that could change at any time. And both of us are recognising her ups and downs better now.

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fastweb · 31/05/2011 11:51

My MIL has bipolar I, hyper-sexuality is one aspect of her manic phases.

You are not to blame, you cannot control the mania, the psychosis, nor the co morbid conditions.

Some days it will take all you have got just to summon up the energy to fight the system hard enough to get her the help she needs let alone practice a perfect response to everything that is being thrown at you.

Forgive yourself. Or you will drive yourself bonkers and render yourself unable to help her.

Right now what you need to do is seek out is any kind of association that supports the people caring for people who have mind altering conditions that lead to behaviors that can make life hard to bear, if not downright dangerous. One where there is professional input with regards to what you are dealing with rather than just lay people swapping notes and forming intense bonds based on shared desperation and pain.

There is nothing where I live, however I believe in the UK is far better organized and might be able to offer an avenue to getting YOU some help.

You are a fabulous person fro recognizing the lack of control she has over her actions when ill. However you exist as a person in your own right, with your own needs, your own pain. You are not a bit player in the movie called "Bipolar". The hurt, the consequence you bear need a place to be heard, healed and recognized .....or burn out\hitting back is a real risk.

But the place where you go to get your support has to be healthy and not potentially just as destructive as the illness. If the bipolar support orgs can't help I really would suggest going to your doctor in order to get your needs met. It is not unusual for situational depression to set when in this situation and counseling can be a huge help. Especially for somebody as isolated as yourself.

If your need to be heard, to have the fall out as it pertains to you as separate human being is recognized and given some importance the risk of haphazardly falling into an emotional affair to fill the chasm and alleviate the loneliness will be much minimized.

I wish we had found a way to do that for FIL before he died. His legacy is two adult sons who are (relatively) unscathed after a childhood and adolescence coloured by undiagnosed and untreated bipolar. That doesn't feel like enough, he could have really done with himself being made a priority on some level.

Anniegetyourgun · 31/05/2011 11:52

Well, he is just a sleazy bastard, then, and I agree with your DP, let him go to hell in his own way.

What matters is that you do know what to do now, and your DP can turn to you when things are bad. It was all new to her as well as to you at the time, so presumably now she recognises her own developing symptoms and that she can trust you. You have to forgive yourself for being caught by surprise the first time. Nobody is born knowing everything they might need to know later in life.

FabbyChic · 31/05/2011 11:56

You have been amazing and I really don't think you could have done anything differently.

You are truly an amazing man and she is lucky to have you, most other men would have upped and left.

TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 12:17

Fastweb, yes, that's kind of what was happening. I was going around in circles trying to find what to do, what I should have done. I'm much more aware now of what to do, and yes, I know I'm a separate person etc. I know you're FIL must have worked hard to keep his two sons from being scathed by it, I really hope I can do the same for my DC's.

Yes, the discussion boards are mostly places to vent, and I don't need that. I have found all the information I can on the subject and read stories by others in similar positions.

Annie, I have wondered how much of a surprise it was. I knew when I met her that she had a lot of problems. I knew she had some sort of mental issues, and so did she. We just didn't know what it was. She had several of these episodes before I met her, but had been stable for the five years we'd been together, so we thought that whatever was wrong with her had kind of gone away. Now I realise how naive that was to think.

FabbyChic, that you. I hope you know you just made me cry. Which is a very bad thing as I'm sat at my desk in work and had to hide it from everyone. I'm normally so unemotional as well. I'm not really used to getting praise.

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Saltatrix · 31/05/2011 12:23

I think you have responded better than most people would in your situation.

fastweb · 31/05/2011 12:42

TheAtomicBum

Please don't beat yourself up over "what I should have done". This is a really steep learning curve. Akin to trying to climb Mount Everest in ballet shoes sort of steep.

Conserve your energy for onwards and up, rather than giving yourself a slap around the chops for the parts where you stumbled and slipped.

I don't think there are any among us who care for people with this illness who can hand on heart say that they haven't fucked up mightily at several points out of exhaustion, isolation and sheer fury at the unfairness of being left to cope with inadequate support.

You haven't walked away. Many do. Give yourself some credit for what you have done that is so so right, and do your utmost not to dwell on where in a parallel universe, endowed with the status of "perfect person", you could have done so much better.

You only need to shine a high beam focus on the slips and stumbles if you catch a hint of yourself seeking permission to repeat said failures with "get out clauses as to why it is not actually my fault" nicely detailed in advance.

(Although the above might just be me, and I am just assuming I am not alone in catching myself trying to do that.)

TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 12:53

No, I don't think it's just you, Fatweb. Yes, it was a steep learning curve. Thankfully I have the ability to learn anything quicker than most (sorry if that sounds arrogant).

Really, I've thought about it to ensure that I do better next time there's a major episode. At least this time, we have a trained psychiatrist who can help and who I can at least call on if needed.

I feel guilty to having the selfish thought of, "who's going to support me when this happens again?" I know I don't really have anyone who cares more about me than her. Her family are great, but in the end I realise that they care about her above me because she's family.

I'm glad I posted this. You may not know it, but you've all been a great help. I've mentioned this on boards before, but never been so honest about my feelings.

There is one thing I left out. My reaction when I found out she'd cheated and that she was OK with me leaving. I'm really glad the DC's were in bed. I had recently given up smoking, but I just grabbed the ciggerettes and started smoking. A lot. When that failed, I punched the playhouse in the garden until I broke it. I yelled at the top of my lungs in the garden. I ripped one of the curtains apart. And when I was still shaking I grabbed a knife and cut my own arm. I cannot believe I did that. I have never done anything like that before, but the pain was too great to control. And even that didn't work. The only thing that brought me to my senses was DD waking up and crying for me. The thought that my children needed me kept me sane.

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TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 12:54

Oops. Fastweb. Not fatweb. Sorry. Blush

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cestlavielife · 31/05/2011 13:32

i dont think it is selfish to ask: "who's going to support me when this happens again?" I

in fact it is something you need to think about, now rationally and while things are calm. a plan B and a plan A. discuss with your DP - if xx happens, then what? at what stage do you call psych etc? how much does she trust you to make that call? will she be willing to name you as next of kin at GP etc? (i beleive you can anme who you like - but if you not married then you would not be automatically informed etc - she needs to make it explicit in writing to GP etc that you are to be kept informed.

I think i recall seeing somewhere on eg MIND site about having these plans drawn up and agreed together - maybe with a MIND worker or other MH worker.

do you have the number of the local crisis team?

can you get back in contact with your family? to get support for you when you need it....

why did you lose your friends? any chance of regaining?

or find new friends via relevant support group?

i think you do have to plan practically speaking for what happens if there is another episode. are there people who can take care of the DC for you if needs be? do you have eg a childminder? any local other parents you know?

do you think you might yourself lose control again?

see, you need an outlet too.... do ask GP about counselling for you.

how are the DC? if they feel safe secure happy etc then you can be sure you doing a great job . and you can ask GP about support for you and DC. if they under five try sure start etc centres while they still exist....

cestlavielife · 31/05/2011 13:34

(ps am writing from pov of having now ex P who has had a number of severe depressive episodes in which he has become violent and agressive. i have couple really good friends i call on)

TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 13:42

Cestlavielife - yes, she has asked that if I see it happening again, if I see the symptoms get worse, for me to call crisis and/or her psychiatrist imediately and get her sectioned if necessary, rather than have this happen again.

How did I loose my group of friends? Oh, that would be another very long thread, a totally separate issue. It was basically due to my drug use when I was younger. When I gave them up, I realised that it was the only thing I had in common with my friends, so I gave them up to rather stay near that world.

My family? Well, my mother is about the most narcisistic person you have ever met. Really. I think she could be diagnosed very easily. She was the one who hit DP when she wouldn't do as she was told. The rest of my family still live "under" her and do as they are told. To sum it up, she's emotionally abusive and trained most of her children fear her. I'd get no support from her or my siblings. She's cut the rest out years ago so that we had no one else.

I've considered counselling to help with all this. But the problem is that I'm actually terrified of psychiatrists, councellors and the like. I have this fear that if I walk in they'll look at me and they'll no exactly why so many people have hated me in the past. As if they'll spot some previously unknown mental illness. It's stupid, I know. But I also have a lot of things I just wouldn't want to talk to a therapist about.

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TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 13:49

As for the DC's. As I said earlier, I looked after them as much as possible, and MIL helped with them a lot too. No, we don't have any childminders as we've never needed them before. So apart from MIL, there no one.

But they are doing great. DD was a bit unhappy that mummy wasn't there to put her too sleep some nights, but she's quite a daddies giel so she was easier at that age that DS was. DS picks up on a lot, so we try not to talk about it when he's around. He was getting a bit naughty from lack of attention from mummy for a while, but he doesn't seem to remember now. And he really doesn't us arguing, he never has. So again, we don't do it in front of him. I'm not sure quite how to keep it from him entirely. Or maybe it'd do worse harm to be upstairs at the time.

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cestlavielife · 31/05/2011 14:21

ok so you need new friends and new family.... hmmm.

dyu have any hobbies interests you could maybe meet new people? eg join a gym go swimming, cycling, walking etc? also thru the children, invite kids over for playdates slowly get to know other parents?

eg have ds join a football kids club etc? get invovled with nursery parent teachers assocaition? etc. it takes time but there are ways to build new friendships thru your children

counselling - it isnt like that - a good counsellor isnt there to judge you at all but to help you help yourself. dont rule it out.

and a counsellor cant diagnose

TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 14:35

I know, I know. It's just a fear from being told for many years that there's something wrong with me.

One hobby I used to have was martial arts. I used to really enjoy it until I gave it up becasue of time. And because I couldn't get to that class anymore and I didn't want to start at a new class on my own. Once my DS is big enough, I'm planning to start taking him to one. It should be good for us both.

We've got a few playdates planned for the kids, but the other parents don't really seem to talk to me much. Or at all. And I don't seem to be able to talk to them much. Or at all, really. In RL, I'm actually a very shy and quiet person. The one you never really notice because they do everything they can to not be noticed. I try to talk to people, but I just find it a lot harder than other people do. And it doesn't help that 50% of people seem to take an instant dislike to me before I even speak. It's very disconcerting, actually.

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TheAtomicBum · 31/05/2011 14:46

Also, I work 8-5 mon-fri, so it's not that easy to meet the other parents. Only when I've got a day off, and I quite enjoy getting DS ready for school and taking (prob sounds daft to those who do it daily).

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fastweb · 31/05/2011 19:44

I feel guilty to having the selfish thought of, "who's going to support me when this happens again?"

Actually that is a very necessary thought to have. You can't help anybody else if the illness chews you up and spits you out in a crumpled heap.

It might be worth asking your wife's psychiatrist if they know of a support system for close relatives who are involved in care.

I do know that if any counseling were available for carers here I would grab it with both hands for myself, just to help me process what has happened so far and to bolster me for what is yet to come.

Mainly because aside from my MIL's needs, my husband and small son rely on me to get them through the worst of it. I struggle with my feelings of guilt at not being good enough to manage with flying colours all the time, I struggle with my resentments, I struggle with the sheer emotional trauma that episodes can leave in their wake.

It would be good to give my head space a tune up with a professional once in a while to make sure i don't fall apart at the seams and as a consequence leave them without their main support figure. Were it my spouse who were ill, I think I would be saying the same with knobs on.

We all have to find our own way through the reality of serious mental health issues being part of our lives, tailored to our own quirks and background. But I really would recommend giving some though to trying to get some professional support focused on just you. Even if for nothing else than to have a place were you are actively encouraged to talk about the impact on your life and sentiments. Because that is a hard thing to do in "polite company", without constantly censoring yourself and refocusing the conversation back on the person at the even sharper end. Out of a sense of loyalty to the person who is unwell among other reasons.

handmedownqueen · 31/05/2011 23:09

hi. Your post made me almost cry. Its so similar to what me my DH and DCs have been thru over the past 18 months. I have just beendiagnosed bipolar. The damage my mania did was untold. I too went to bed witha male friend of yrs standing. I feel sullied and let down by him. MY DH too is overwhelmed with anger and nowhere to vent it. Yes he could go and assault him. But we nearly lost so much our marriage and happy children my job driving licence etc why risk losing everything again?
It is a cruelillness and wrecks havoc. We have and are still recovering but its a long rroad. Love can see you thru

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 31/05/2011 23:31

It sounds to me like you did better than a lot of people would have done in a horrible situation. And, as has been said above, it atually is very important that you get some support for yourself and a plan in place if your DP becomes ill again. The great tragedy of severe mental illness is how hit and miss the treatment can be, because the simple truth is that it's different in every case, the drugs that work for some don't work for others, and unless someone is demonstrating that s/he is a major danger to him/herself or other people, no one can force a MH patient to take medication s/he doesn't want to take.
I have a friend with paranoid schizophrenia; while I am not her carer I do understand a little of how horrible it is to see the person you know and love disappearing into this delusional world. Best of luck with getting a structure in place you can all work with.

TheAtomicBum · 01/06/2011 09:52

Fastweb, yeah it's hard not to change the focus back to her. When you start of yourself, you always come back to the thought of how much harder it is for them. I might be afraid that the meds are going to make her ill and/or not work at all, but she must be terrified of it. I might feel bad about what happened, but she'll always feel immense guilt about it. It's very hard to think of your own feelings as being important at all when you're partner experiences emotions that are far stronger than most humans ever get. A lot of disagreements are solved by who feels stronger about the issue, so where then do you draw the line? Will you ever feel stronger about anything that is important to both of you? It's one of the harder day to day things to come to terms with. When do you think about yourself?

I will consider external support more seriously. I've thought about it before, but I'd just feel selfish walking into the GP and saying, "my wife has a serious mental illness, can I have some counselling for me." But I know on a logical level that it's necessary. If the support pillar falls, so does the whole building.

HandMeDown - I'm sorry my post affected you, I know you must feel terrible about what happened. And I'm sorry to hear that you and your family went through the same thing, it must have been very hard on all of you. But it's also very heartwarming to hear that another couple made it through the other side of this. Good luck to you all.

SpringChickenGoldBrass - I know the treatments may not be right straight away. And as I said above, I'm worried about how well she'll tolerate the meds and how well they'll work. We'd like a miracle cure that stops the episodes for good with no side effects, but that just wouldn't be reality. Even on meds, it's likely to happen again sometime.

She's asked that if it does I call crisis and get her sectioned to avoid any damage. I think I could convince them of her being a danger to herself and possibly to others. We do have plans in place, we have also identified a number of triggers to avoid and with the help of her psychiatrist I'm hoping things will continue to improve.

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