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I don't want to be unfair or harsh, but I want to give DH an ultimatum

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JuJuBeans · 26/05/2011 10:05

I seldom post, but frequently lurk. I don't really know what to do anymore. My DH and I have been together about 25 years, we have 2 DC of 17 and 13, the youngest (DD) has autism. Things have been a bit up and down between us - having a child with SN puts a strain and there have been other problems. The issue I would like advice on today is caused by the way he won't take responsiblity for his health and emotional problems. For the past couple of years he has suffered from insomnia, where he wakes at around 2 most mornings and can't get back to sleep until much later. So he is really quite exhausted a lot of the time. He usually goes to bed early, leaving me to deal with DD, get her to bed etc. We don't sleep together because he snores so loudly and because of his insomnia. He refuses to see a doctor about his sleep problems or the snoring. He also takes blood pressure and cholesterol meds, and says that he's not taking more pills.

For about a year he has been having erectile dysfunction. I'm sure it's pyschological because he can get an erection and can ejaculate, he just can't penetrate me. Again, I've tried to be understanding, done all the right things, taken the pressure off him, tried to talk about it (but he clams up and gets all defensive). We have had non-penetrative sex, but I would like to think that we can resume "normal" sex again at some stage, particularly as he doesn't seem to have a medical reason causing this problem. But it's become worse not better over time, to the point where we are no longer intimate and it's become a massive issue between us. I have asked him on a number of occasions to see the GP, but he won't go. He refused point blank to see a counsellor. I did counselling on my own with Relate to discuss this and other things. I feel very rejected sexually - I feel as if I'm not attractive to him anymore and it's really made me feel crappy. He doesn't help much with the running of the houseold, or with my DD, and my feelings of resentment have now reached epic levels.

Despite having high blood pressure he has really let himself go physically over the last 18 months - he makes no effort to maintain his weight and must have put on 2 stone. He takes no exercise and spends most of his free time watching sport on TV. He now says that he is depressed. This is completely self-diagnosed needless to say, and again he will not see a doctor about taking steps to remedy this. He still manages to function at work and has a very demanding job but there doesn't seem to be anything left over for us, his family. I also work part-time, 25 hours a week, in a well-paid job so it's not as if he is providing for us financially all on his own.

I don't want to appear heartless by issuing an ultimatum to someone who is ill (if indeed he is), but I can't carry on doing almost everything (housework, childcare), and getting very little back - no consideration, or emotional or physical closeness. This may sound cynical, but I feel to some extent as if he has presented the "I'm depressed" card and now feels that he can just sit back and not do anything. If he is depressed, I think that it's mild depression and not so bad that he can't summon the energy to get himself to a doctor. To me it just shows yet again how little consideration he has for me. At this stage I'm finding it hard to see what I'm getting out of this marriage. I feel like the housekeeper not a wife. Would it be fair to give him an ultimatum saying that I will ask for a separation if he doesn't make a real effort to get some help? And how long should I give him?

Thanks for reading.

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WibblyBibble · 26/05/2011 10:12

Yes, it would be fair! I'd give him two weeks to at least make a doctor's appointment. You know, also, lots of us who are single parents have depression and we still have to look after our kids and do housework, because no one else will do it for us!

Just also to reassure him, drugs need not be the first line of treatment for depression- he could get CBT type counselling first, which is shown to be effective. Also tbh if he sorts out depression (if he has it) and his weight/diet/exercise, it would probably help with his blood pressure and cholesterol too so he might not have to take so many pills. I don't have a huge amount of sympathy with people who moan about taking meds, though, because I have no choice but to be taking them for the rest of my life. :P

spidookly · 26/05/2011 10:23

Yes, it would be fair.

It would also be fair to go through with the separation if he continues as he is.

He doesn't get to decide that your life will be as a harried, overworked housewife to a lazy, sports watching slob. If that's not what you want, and it's all that he's offering, then end your marriage.

buzzsore · 26/05/2011 10:28

It's totally unacceptable that he won't seek treatment for any of his ailments and expects you to put up with the consequences. You are not being harsh.

RunnerHasbeen · 26/05/2011 10:32

Instead of going to the doctor about this as if it is a new problem, you could suggest he mentions it at his next blood pressure appointment in case it is a side effect and they could change his drugs. This would be harder for him not to do as he would be going anyway and would be asked if he had any problems. It would also be easier for him to think of it as a drug related problem, even if it isn't, so more likely to start ball rolling.

It sounds like his weight is a bigger problem, with the snoring and insomnia he might have sleep apnoea which can lead to both depression and impotence. Even if he doesn't, lack of sleep is horrible and (assuming there is no medical reason) exercise would help him sleep. Would there be a way you could encourage him to exercise more?

I do think it is reasonable to say that you won't give the "depression" any consideration until he has a medical diagnosis.

madonnawhore · 26/05/2011 10:44

Not harsh at all. Necessary. What spidookly said.

JuJuBeans · 26/05/2011 11:25

Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm much more positive about talking to him about this now. The bank holiday will be a good time because he will be more rested (relatively speaking).

The reason I've stuck it out this long is because of the legitimate medical problems, but I feel as if he's using this against me now, and to be honest, using it as an excuse to just give up. As Wibbly says, lots of people have worse problems and have to deal with life all on their own.

He regularly goes to the GP to have blood tests and discuss new medication regimes. The doctor often changes the medication, but DH never mentions to them these issues he's having. His BP and cholesterol problems are quite bad, and genetic so he has been on meds most of his adult life - nothing new there. Every time he goes to the doctor I ask him if he will discuss the other problems and he always says that he doesn't trust the doc and that they're too busy. I have suggested that he see someone privately, even got the number of a consultant at a local private hospital but he doesn't follow through. If I "nag" as he puts it, he just threatens to stop taking the medication completely.

He's your stereotypical head-in-the-sand type of person. He hopes that things will just go away on their own, with no effort on his part. I am on Weight Watchers, so he could easily eat more healthily. There is always healthy food in the house, and limited junk. As far as exercise goes, he will make an effort for a few weeks and then he gives up.

It is time to stop enabling his behaviour and tell him that I will no longer tolerate living like this unless he makes a real and concerted effort.

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teraspawn · 26/05/2011 17:20

If his behaviour is bothering you so much that you're seriously thinking about breaking up with him, then of course you have to tell him. It's not so much an ultimatum as a statement of fact. If he doesn't understand how big an issue this is, then he won't respond appropriately. You're not unreasonable to be pissed off with this, and you don't have to put up with it if he can't be bothered to change.

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