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Let him get to me again, when will I learn to leave it alone?

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humptydidit · 21/05/2011 21:40

Have just tried to have a decent conversation with abusive exh again, regarding contact with the kids...
I let myself get drawn into an argument and now I'm sitting here crying... He was so horrible and basically abusive again, but I feel like it's my fault cos I rang him.
Why can't I just leave it alone?
Should I just accept that he is not going to get a job, so I won't get any maintanance, and he will not commit to regular contact so kids are always confused, etc etc etc
And never stop being an abusive arsehole.
I am sitting here crying because he thinks he has the right to speak to me like that, it feels like I never left him. He can wipe out 5 months of huge progress and change on my part in one cutting remark.

When will it stop hurting?

I asked him to give me a provisional date for next contact with kids and he said amongst other things, "you can go fuck yourself in the arse for all I care about what you want"... what does that mean, he claims to want to see the kids but refuses to commit to anything. I just wish he would go away and never see us again, if that's what he really wants rather than playing these games.
Sad

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thisisyesterday · 21/05/2011 21:44

:(
i would just stop contacting him.
assume that unless he asks then he doesn't want to see the children. just cut him out of your life.... it doesn't sound as though you, or the children, would be missing out on much if he wasn't part of their lives

humptydidit · 21/05/2011 21:48

thisis thank you for that, that is honestly what I think. He has 7 kids including my 3 and has nothing to do with the other 4 and has never had any contact or paid maintanace for any of them... not a v promising track record. BTW I didn't know all about these other kids when I met him, he is a compulsive liar.
It's so hard and more than anything I'm angry that I let it get to me, he is a nasty bastard but my kids love him and ask when he will see them again.... god knows it's bloody hard

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thisisyesterday · 21/05/2011 22:02

i can imagine it must be really hard. i think long term though it would be better to stop seeing him entirely than for the kids to keep thinking they will see him and then it not happening, or for them to just not know how things stand iyswim?
i always think that it's all well and good when people say that children need both parents in their lives... but if having him as part of their lives makes you miserable and makes it harder for you all as a family then sometimes you just have to made the decision that enough is enouhg

such a sad situation for you all :(

humptydidit · 21/05/2011 22:09

am so pleased you said that, everybody seems to think kids need both parents etc, and they do except they need good parents, who care about them, not who use them as a plaything and a weapon.

It's all so confusing tho for everyone, part of me wants him to go and never come back and part of me wants to slap him in the face and step up to the plate and be a proper parent! Can't have it both ways I know, just wish he would pick one or the other and hurry up about it!!

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Jellykat · 21/05/2011 22:31

Hello dear humpty... You had a little blip, you phoned him because of your DC, he was as per usual.. and you being a normal human being, took what he said on board.
Thats done now, please don't beat yourself up about it anymore.
We know these XPs defy all sense of decency and logic that we will never truly understand. He won't step up to the plate, but knowing what to do with the anger about that, is bloody tricky.

Thing is you say you wish he would pick one way or another.. by giving him the choice, you are giving him control..which feeds the abuse. You need to take control, you make the decision to walk away with the DC, and shut the door behind you.

Have you considered any of the Womens Aid programmes? I know how strong you were after meeting his ex, maybe talking it through with others on a weekly basis would help to really keep you moving forward?

merrywidow · 21/05/2011 22:42

Leave him to it; if he wants to see the children let him make the effort.

From now on live your life knowing that there is nothing you can do that will make any difference to the way your X behaves as this is all he knows. Hes a fucked up person.

Tell the kids you are not sure when they will see daddy again as he has a lot to sort out and sometimes has problems remembering things like how to be a loving dad so you will wait for him to call

I would get a seperate mobile phone and send him a text saying this is for him to contact the children, and that they love him

Give your DCs plenty of love, they will be ok

sunshineandbooks · 21/05/2011 23:15

Oh humpty Sad I remember you from another thread and you were so positive and inspirational. Don't let him drag you down.

The biggest favour I ever did myself after leaving XP was to realise that hell would freeze over before he ever even recognised that he had behaved badly. I will never receive an apology from him and he will never change. These are cold hard facts that I have as much control over as night becoming day. It sounds obvious but it's actually quite hard to really, truly, understand. Once you do, it all becomes a lot easier, I promise.

The day I decided my X was a lost cause my life became easier. I am not obstructive but I have laid down my (reasonable) ground rules and refuse to enter into any discussion about them. I spent a couple of years trying to be the mature, reasonable one who acted in the best interests of her children even if that was in conflict with what was best for me. But the truth is my XP is selfish, unreasonable and abusive. You cannot talk to him without him either walking away or becoming violent.

In the end, I realised that by fighting so hard for contact to continue between him and DC was actually counterproductive. All I was doing was creating a situation where I was setting my DC up for a bigger fall. Far better for him to exceed low expectations than to fail to live up to unrealistic ones. Ultimately, his relationship with them is his relationship with them so what on earth was I doing trying to organise it?! My participation should begin and end with ensuring that my children come to no harm while with him.

In the end, I sent him a witnessed and signed for letter (as a cheaper alternative to using a solicitor) dictating my ground rules. I said he could have as much contact as he wanted as long as he organised it at an appropriate venue under appropriate supervision - friends were not acceptable (which in reality leaves only a contact centre). Unless it was to discuss contact I would have no discussions with him over any other issues.

I haven't pursued maintenance because in my case it isn't worth it. He alternates between unemployment and self-employment, and the amount of time and emotional investment I would spend trying to get the CSA to do their job, with no guarantee of any actual money at the end of it, is simply not worth it. However, if he held down a steady PAYE-type job, I would involve the CSA as he chose to have these children and does not get to abdicate responsibility simply because he cannot be arsed.

In short, work on trying to accept that your X is what he is. Don't obstruct contact unless there is good reason, but don't try to set it up either. Leave it to your X to do the running. If he doesn't, he doesn't. Ironically, since I have been this tough, my X is a lot better and we can actually get along quite well now if we ever find ourselves in the same room. He is still shit at arranging contact but he does at least stick to any arrangements he makes and he treats me with respect (even if my name is mud out of earshot Wink)

Sorry you're feeling so Sad though. You're worth more than this.

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