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Help! Ex's relapse

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stuffedfull · 20/05/2011 10:53

Hi, I'm new to mumsnet and need a bit of advice ..... I have 3 DCs 12,12,8yrs. I was married to their father for 5 years but we divorced just after the youngest was born due to his alcoholism, violant behaviour and emotional abuse. When he drank he became a voilent abusive, nasty bully, when he was sober he was a loving husband and father, during the separation he suffered a breakdown and (I think) remains a manic depressive, he is on heavy medication. But he but did manage to give up drinking and has been sober for almost 8 years. We now have an amicable relationship, the children see him, he is a loving father but is unable to function in the real world ie. doesn't work, has very little money etc I often feel like he is my 4th child. I don't rely on him for anything as he is incapable of providing any financial support, child care, help with school work etc BUT he is a very loving father and the children adore him. I have recently found out that he has been drinking for the last year which I was very shocked by. I am very sad and disappointed for him because the only 2 things he had were his children and his sobriety, he always used to say if he picked up a drink it would be the end of everything for him. Am also angry that he has tricked me for the last year. The children haven't mentioned it so he may not have drunk when they were there. However, he says he now sees no problem with this, he says he has it under control and he is a different person now. I know the violent bully he can be when he is drunk, I have seen it many times and I would never ever want my children to see it, the oldest has some recollection from when he was small, it is frightening, soul destroying has a profound damaging, long lasting effect. So as far as I am concerned DCs can not stay with him anymore on the weekends (he never had them all together as he couldn't cope, would have one at a time) I can not risk his drinking spiralling out of control even though he says this will never happen. When I told him this he exploded, said I had wrecked his life, i am trying to ruin his relationship with kids, i was the biggest mistake, how dare i come between him and them, I am ridulously over reacting etc etc and put the phone down. I tried to explain that I wanted him to maintain a relationship with them as they adore him, that I was having to do this for their safety and welfare and that it was a consequence of him drinking again NOT me just interfering. Middle DC is due to go to him this weekend and he says he will pick him up as arranged this evening and refuses to bring him back until sunday. I am saying he can not go tonioght but is wlecome to pick him up for the day tomorrow.

So 2 things 1) do you think I am right to insist on this and 2) can i actually enforce the no overnights? He is now behaving aggressively and threatening me, blaming all his troubles and failures on me and refusing to acknowledge the problem. Back to the old days ..... Sorry for the ramble but would really appreciate your feedback.

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GypsyMoth · 20/05/2011 10:56

no i would stop the overnight contact

heavy drinking,or even light drinking. and medication?? no way

ShoutyHamster · 20/05/2011 11:03

Yes you are right

Yes you can enforce it - the children are basically YOUR responsibility. Why? Because as you say yourself, he's spent their entire childhoods being incapable, even when not drinking, of taking responsibility as a proper parent.

You feed them
You house them
You clothe them
You pay for everything
You keep the other children with you when he has one, thus facilitating any contact at all because he 'can't cope' with even looking after all his children at once.

And now, when he doesn't like a decision you make, he thinks he has any authority at all to challenge it?

Bollocks to that.

I'd make this utterly clear to him. That the only reason he has any relationship with them AT ALL is because you hold his hand throughout and make it easy for him. And you're damned if you're going to do that if he's drinking.

I'd stop contact entirely this weekend - if he's going to kick off and maybe refuse to bring your child back when agreed, better the children don't see an argument. Then make it clear that he can agree to daytime contact until he can stop drinking, or if he disagrees he can take you to court. To have all of them. Every other weekend. And start paying maintenance. And having them midweek and taking them all to school. And being involved in homework. And taking them to activities. Oh hang on...he can't cope with all that, can he? Hmmmmm....

stuffedfull · 20/05/2011 11:15

Thank you both, its what i needed to hear. I will try and stop him taking middle DC this weekend to give us both a breather and yes i don't want them to see a doorstep fight, we have managed to avoid that for years. Drinking on medication is what worried me as well. His GP just keeps upping the meds. I'm just worried because he can be to utterly nasty when he loses his rag and a total utter denial of his behaviour playing any part in this. I am so so upset that we have reverted to the hell that we went through years back, i thought it was long gone and really believed it was gone for good. I know he won't let this go and know it is the beginning of a horrible journey, his misery will make him drink more, then behave worse .... and so it spirals.....

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stuffedfull · 20/05/2011 11:28

he's just sent me a text about how i am rocking the boat, truing to spoil things and am hurtful.

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cestlavielife · 20/05/2011 11:34

uh huh yes you are in control here and can decide what your child should do...

yes stop overnight contact and if he says all or nothing -well tough.

will DS understand why?

but how do you know he is drinking has he admitted it? by email/text (evidence may be needed later...)

keep texts etc in case needed to show your concerns.

ShoutyHamster · 20/05/2011 11:37

Tell him your next stop is to go to his GP and report that he is drinking and abusing his medication

stuffedfull · 20/05/2011 11:40

He has admitted to it, he said he has been drinking for a year and thinks there is nothing wrong with that. A friend saw him at a party and he was all over the place, fell through a door etc he says he was fine. The problem is he won't let me not allow him to take the DCs, he will rage, threaten etc, he is utterly incapable of seeing this how any normal sane person would.

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cestlavielife · 20/05/2011 14:36

he can rage, threaten all he likes - so long as you and dc are safely behind closed doors.....

  • keep door shut and call police. video him thru window.

but if it goes eg to court you will need evidence witnesses etc to his drinking and an email or text in which he admits to drinking plus evidence of effect it had previously....

ShoutyHamster · 20/05/2011 15:51

He won't let you not allow him?

I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable given the current arrangements. You have responsibility for your children because he has declared himself unable to take that responsibility. So he doesn't get to suddenly call the shots with regard to the children when he doesn't like your decisions. He can't have it both ways.

Don't let this escalate. Nip it in the bud. Call him and say that there won't be contact, and if he causes any problems or comes to the house and harrasses you, then you will call the police. Remind him of the fact that he does not have responsibility for them, he does not pay for their upkeep, and that's the way he likes it. And this is the other side of that coin.

It sounds as if a shock is needed here. He's on a downward spiral - if you can stop that in its tracks, then you'll be doing him a favour. Stand firm and don't hesitate to call the police, and get in touch with his GP.

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