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Bullying/Controlling exH

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pico1 · 13/05/2011 10:44

I left my H 2 months ago after discovering that he had been sleeping with the nanny. DCs are 2 and just 5. This was on a background of very difficult behaviour over the last 2 yearrs since H lost his job. He had become very angry, started to drink heavily and was basically taking all his anger and bitterness over his situation out on me. We moved back to the country we were originally from to facilitate H getting another job and re-establishing his career. Things became worse just after the move culminating in one awful night where he went out drinking and came home and hit me. We spent the following 10 months in counselling (which I now realise was probably a mistake in view of the violence) as I felt that I owed it to both of us and our DCs to give the marriage everything I could. Things did get better for a while but went downhill again at the end of 2010. The final straw was the discovery of the affair with the nanny.
I left the house the next day and went to my parents with DS and DD. That same day, H called me and told me that he wanted to see the DCs. He arrived at my parents house smelling of booze, grabbed DS (2) and made for the car with him. Fortunately, I managed to wrestle DS from him. We (DCs and I) have since moved into a new house and are very happy. In view of the drinking and the incident with DS, I initially was only happy for H to see the children under my supervision. He now sees them on his own for 3 hours on a Monday and Wednesday evening and 4 hours on a Saturday and Sunday morning. He does not think that this is enough and wants to take them overnight. I am not happy that he has them overnight at the moment as I need to be fairly confident that he is not drinking and that they are not at risk when with him. He is very angry about this and says that my inability to trust him is my problem and nothing to do with him.
It is only since finding this forum that I realise that H was/is controlling and emotionally abusive. He blamed me for all his problems and says that I never supported him enough. He whined like a child if I said no to sex and claimed that he needed sex to feel close to me and for stress-relief. He claimed that I contributed nothing to the marriage (despite having a well-paid job and doing all the housework and cooking). He would pay for something, like a holiday and then throw it back in my face later by saying that I never paid for anything. His mood and behaviour became 1000 times worse when he had been drinking. His other trick was to be obnoxious to me in front of my friends and family so that I would literally be biting back tears in front of them. Occasionally if we went out for dinner he would be really horrible to me and I would be crying into my dinner in a restaurant full of people.
I realise that this makes me sound like a really passive person but I am, in fact, an intelligent, assertive woman in a respected profession and it is only reading through some of these threads that I realise just what he has done. The problem now is that he is still bullying me with regard to the children. He refuses to see that I cannot trust him with the children, especially as they are so young and vulnerable. I realise that he and they have every right to a relationship but my instinct is that he is not stable at the moment. My parents have offerred to take me and DCs on holiday which we badly need after the last couple of months but he has refused to let me take them unless he gets to take them away as well. I'm sorry that this is so longwinded but I just need some advice on how to deal with him as I still feel that he is dictating my life even though I have left. The awful thing is that I don't think he cares all that much about the DCs - he just doesn't want me having what he can't have.

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HerHissyness · 13/05/2011 13:56

Can he realistically stop you though? you are not divorced, there is no offial contact agreement. Do you need his written permission to travel?

You are going on holiday, you have a home and a reason to return.

You are not a really passive person, people who are targeted by abusive bullies are usually strong minded, feisty, intelligent and articulate people. Bullies target them as a challenge, to break them and to rule them.

YANBU about wanting him to be in full control of his drinking before he has the DC. Stick to your guns. Unless you are somewhere that women need written permission to travel I don't think there is a thing to stop you. See if you can get some legal advice there, if it's a free access country like Europe, I don't think he can stop you, even if he wanted to. He'd have to slap you with a court order. If you were in a UK court for example, I dare say you would successfully argue that he has no right to restrict your movement and that your life is settled there. If you were lucky, the judge would see him for the control freak he is.

HerHissyness · 13/05/2011 13:56

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neuroticmumof3 · 13/05/2011 16:46

i think you need legal advice on these issues as that could lead to CAFCASS doing a welfare report on his access to the children, which would include looking at his drinking and any risk issues. I don't think he can stop you taking them on holiday but would advise you to check with a solicitor. Perhaps you'll be able to get a free half hour appt or you could try citizen's advice. I think you're right about this not really being about DC. It is his attempt to continue to have control over you and this is very common when abusive relationships break up. If you get a chance read 'Living with the Dominator' by Pat Craven or 'Why does he do that?' by Lundy Bancroft. These will increase your understanding of the situation you've been in.

pico1 · 13/05/2011 18:42

Thanks ladies. These threads have helped me so much over the last couple of weeks. Prior to that, although I knew that the dynamic with H was not normal, I didn't really realize that there was a "word" for his behaviour. It has also made me realize how much I had started to doubt myself and how much he had undermined me. I am not in the UK (RoI) but you are right in that I need to get advice. I just presumed that I couldn't take the DCs away without his permission - it would be great if that was not the case. Thanks again - it is so great to know that others have gone through this and come out the other end.

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HerHissyness · 13/05/2011 19:11

MN helped me immensely. Still does.

good idea to read the books and definitely get some legal advice.

all the best and let us know how you get on?

suburbophobe · 13/05/2011 19:25

They must have something like CAB in RoI, get down there pronto! Waste no time on getting wise how you stand legally. And take the necessary steps to protect yourselves.

I've been through something similar, at first you are confused - cos they twist everything for their own agenda - but then you (re)find your strength and realise it's got to be about you and your children, rather than let him drag the lot of you down.

Wishing you all the best!

pico1 · 14/05/2011 13:05

Thanks ladies. Have discovered that he cannot stop me from bringing them away. DDs passport is about to expire unfortunately and he CAN refuse to sign the application form. If he does (and he will!), I can get a court order to have the passport issued without his consent. It is a pain in the neck and a complete waste of time but I feel that the benefits of the holiday for the DCs and I will outweigh any of the difficulties that the above will involve. Thanks again - I will definitely get some of those books that you recommended.

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ShoutyHamster · 14/05/2011 13:47

When he refuses, tell him that it's fine, as you will apply for a court order, get one issued anyway, and the evidence of his obstructiveness and evident hostility will be a usefull addition to the evidence of his drinking when it comes to access arrangements :)

ShoutyHamster · 14/05/2011 13:48

useful

I have verbal diarrhoea finger Blush

HerHissyness · 14/05/2011 17:31

Does he have to sign the form? My X doesn't, the mother is usually the one to sign. If it's a straight forward renewal, it shouldn't be so hard to get it done.

wakeupandsmellthecoffee · 14/05/2011 20:29

If I were you I would apply for your childs passport sooner rather than later.
After all many passports get LOST . I am sure if you dont apply he will and then you will have to apply to a court to get him to hand it over .
Avoid all the hassle and get in there first .

pico1 · 14/05/2011 21:23

HerHissyness - here in Ireland both parents have to sign the form if they are married or have ever been married. I am going to get a form tomorrow and see what happens. It is a pain in the proverbial but will be worth it.

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HerHissyness · 15/05/2011 16:22

argh, that is just ridiculous, mind you if HE would have to get YOU to sign a form too if it were him doing the passport, I suppose that is fair and probably aides prevention of abduction.

Afterall if he wants to take them away, he'd need the passport too. You could always give him the impression that he could take them on holiday.... Hmm

Or indeed plan B is the court order.

pico1 · 16/05/2011 21:00

Just to update - asked H to co-sign the passport form today. He said "not unless I get to take them away for 2 weeks as well". For the above reasons that is not going to happen at the moment. I didn't enter into any further discussion as I fully intend to get a court hearing asap so that I can go ahead and get a passport. I don't think he is aware that this is a possibility. Very, very fortunately, DCs were born in the UK and both are entitled to (and already have) British passports. As far as I can see, I can renew her British passport with only one signature. He tried to get into a "discussion", i.e a screaming row this evening when putting the DCs to bed but I v. politely told him that I had a tonne of stuff to do and didn't have time for a "chat". Am now sat on sofa with glass of wine feeling slightly triumphant. Just hope my triumph isn't short-lived!

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HerHissyness · 17/05/2011 10:49

Pico, I am renewing DS (UK) passport at the moment, one signature, usually the mother's is required. You can fill the form in online and they print it and send it to you. I'm just waiting for the pics to come from Picturebox and then I will get them countersigned by my friend in NI and bob's your uncle.

There is nothing he can do to stop that passport, well barring a court order, but that's not likely to be successful really.

HerHissyness · 17/05/2011 10:50

My X isn't even here, so couldn't sign even if he wanted/needed to, if it were a requirement.

pico1 · 17/05/2011 14:23

Thanks HerHissyness. I have the form filled in and ready to go. Can't imagine there will be any problems with it. Thanks again for the advice.

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HerHissyness · 17/05/2011 14:33

I am so glad you can do this! I can't bear being held hostage at the whim of irresponsible men.

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