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Toxic Family and Baby DD's Presents and Christening- WWYD?

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piranhamorgana · 08/05/2011 18:06

I am a regular on Stately Homes and have moved on loads in dealing with my family through what I have learnt from MN.

This makes some things more difficult,since I no longer play the same role in my family.My father was verbally,physically and sexually abusive to me and my mother has an NPD -like personality.

When I was with abusive xp,I wrote a long letter to my family in which I said all the things I had always wanted to say about how unacceptable my mother and father had been ,and were still being. It was not meant to be posted.XP hand delivered it.My parents did not speak to me for a year.My brothers said they would never speak to me again.Xp engineered a reunion with my parents and took all the credit for building bridges etc.

Prior to meeting xp,I was a single mother to my 4 dc and my family considered me a social embarrassment and let down,having "failed" at two marriages and being a single parent.My B and SIL told me they did not want me and my dc at their dc's birthdays etc as I was "not respectable",and my dc were " a rabble".

I have maintained a full-time professional career,but my family believe I should be at home with my dc,since I have failed at providing a stable family.I referred to some of this in my letter,which is why my B and SIL say they will never forgive me,as they deny it was said.

I had dc5 and became enlightened re xp via the NPD thread here.He was just like my father.We have no contact now,and a year on,I am about to return to work .All 5 dc and I are doing well together.

My parents were in my house the last time xp appeared.He threatened me and shouted for ages in front of them. Following that,I had a panic alarm fitted,support from WA and took out a Court Order.They stuck up for him,and told dc that I was in the wrong.They maintain that I am being unfair to "deny him a relationship with his daughter" and insist on asking if we have made it up yet whenever we see them. They deny that they witnessed abuse and say I am exaggerating.

My dc do not want to go no contact.They are aware that Granny is odd and says strange things,but I "played the game" for so long,that they are used to the strange,distant relationship we have. I manage it now by acting jolly and very superficial.I do not expect my parents to be anything other than what they are.I treat them like rather odd,unfortunates whom we must humour once or twice a month with a brief cup of tea-type visit at my house.I let the nonsense wash over me,as far as I can.The dc share chit-chat and news and get pocket money.

My brothers have never acknowledged dd5.We have not spoken for 4 years now.But When my parents visit,at birthday/Christmas/Easter they bring money,cards and presents for my dc which they have been given by my brothers to pass on.Despite never acknowledging her birth,dd5 recently received a birthday card and present from my brother and sil.

I find this VERY difficult,and would like to send them back and tell my parents to stop bringing them.But this would upset all the dc,cause a scene and a row with my parents,and confirm to my family that I am indeed the nasty person they believe me to be.

My parents tell my dc - away from my ears - that their uncles miss them and would love to see them,and could it be arranged,without mummy being involved.My dc always say no ,and tell me about it.My parents,when confronted ,either deny,or say it is my fault for refusing to build bridges.I have telephoned and written to my brothers and they ignore/hang up.

My b's contacted my xh and asked if he would bring the dc to see them when he has contact.Xh said he would not get involved and suggested my b contacted me to make things up,as I was pg with dd5.My b said he would never accept an apology from me and wished never to see me again,but that he has a right to see my eldest 4 dc.

I want to have a Christening for dd5.I do not want any of this toxic stuff to feature.If I don't invite my parents there will be a row.If I do,they will convey sentiments and possibly presents from my b's,via my dc which I will feel badly about.

Last week,my eldest dd was asked if she would like to attend a family reunion in my late grandmothers village ,for all my fathers family to get together - he is terminally ill.She was asked not to tell me as my brothers do not want me to come,but they would like my eldest 4 dc there.

How do I deal with this.Sorry it's so long,thanks for reading.

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Xales · 08/05/2011 18:20

Wow what a tough thing to be going through!

I have no answers for you just wanted to reply.

Your XH sounds like a wanker who deliberately stuck you in this position.

First off you have done nothing to apologise for from what I can see so your B can go whistle saying he would never accept one.

How old are your eldest children? Are they of an age and ability where by they could know a distilled version of the truth? Just that although they are your parents, and siblings and their grand parents and aunts and uncles they are not such nice people and although you encourage contact (as they are family) it has to be under your supervision to protect them?

I think all you can do is keep letting your children know how much you love them and that you are really proud of them coming to you and not keeping secrets as it must be very hard.

Don't tell them about the christening.

Let them keep the presents don't give them the satisfaction of rising to the bait which it obviously is.

Good luck!

badmummy101 · 08/05/2011 18:22

personally i would get them ALL out of my life.
you are doing brilliantly, keeping your children happy and safe and working.
screw them all. you have got to where you are with no help. keep going.
have your christening and keep the people you want around at it and sod the rest.

jesuswhatnext · 08/05/2011 18:26

i feel very sorry for and im afraid my advice would be to stop all contact - you sound very strong and together and i feel that you are more than able to bring up your dcs to be happy, contented and secure without any 'help' from your family!, your brothers sound deeply unpleasent and i cant imgaine that anything they bring to your dcs will be of any value to them as they grow and mature (im talking emotionally, not materially!)

i wish you and your children all the luck in the world!

bustersmummy · 08/05/2011 18:28

I am in a similar situation.

Hard though it is, I cut all contact with my family and am much happier and a lot less stressed as a result.

You are doing so well, you don't need them.

piranhamorgana · 08/05/2011 18:29

Thanks ,Xales.

My dc are 15,13 10,9 and 1. They are pretty clued up about my family on the whole.The evidence is so obvious ,it doesn't need much pointing out.They are all very protective of me as they can see how un-mummy-like my mother is towards me.In fact,my 13 yo recently shouted at me in a row - " You are just like Granny and I won't let my children see you when I grow up".All the other dc were shocked,and she was very sorry when she had calmed down.

I do believe xp engineered it all in order to isolate me and control the family.However,his behaviour was so like my parents own,that they thought he was the perfect match for me and see me as a bitch for getting rid of him.

I believe my b's pass on the presents to maintain favour with my p's.So that they are seen as in the right.My parents maintain that my b's want nothing more than to be reconciled with me,but that I refuse.

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piranhamorgana · 08/05/2011 18:31

Thanks badmummy,jesus and buster!

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bustersmummy · 08/05/2011 18:34

You are being made the scapegoat, same as I was.

The reason the contact with my family has stopped was that I refused to allow them to treat me like that and I called them on something that happened where I wasn't in the wrong and was being told I had to apologise.

Well, it will be a cold day in hell before I apologise. So my mother then told me (just before she spat in my face) that it was my choice to cut them out of my life and that did I realise exactly what I was doing.

But then she sent Easter presents to the XH house.

Sorry for the hijack btw.

floofers · 08/05/2011 18:57

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bustersmummy · 08/05/2011 18:59

Cutting ties is not easy.

It helped that I knew I wasn't in the wrong.

but it is hard to do.

piranhamorgana · 08/05/2011 19:00

Yes,buster,that does sound similar.
Since I started calling my mother on her nonsense,they barely speak to me if the dc are not there.They maintain this is because I am controlling...

My brothers used to be my allies against my parents.They were abused by my dad,too. But since having their own families,they are both in and out of my parents house the whole time;all go on holiday together and maintain that the only problem there has ever been is me and my lies.

Scapegoat is right.
Hijack all you like,it's very affirming Grin

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piranhamorgana · 08/05/2011 19:04

Yes,floofers,I feel vile about it too. I am never my "real" self with my parents. They have no idea who I am,and no wish to find out.

I wouldn't pass the time of day with anyone else who behaved like they do.

Yet I just can't cut ties entirely.

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bustersmummy · 08/05/2011 19:16

My mother and father don't know me at all.

They have an idea of me in their heads, but it is not the real me.

Their loss.

My brothers are exactly like yours as well.

One thing I learnt on here (which gave me the strength to do it) was to think "would I let a stranger in the street do XYZ"

The answer was no.

But it still makes me Sad

piranhamorgana · 08/05/2011 20:06

I think once my parents die,there will be no contact from my brothers. Although I expect they will try to contact my dc when they are grown up,to "set the record straight" about me.

I have learnt to disengage.I realise they are all dysfunctional and that it is their loss.

But I am Sad too.

And I have Sad dreams.

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floofers · 08/05/2011 21:04

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piranhamorgana · 08/05/2011 21:13

Hmm,yes,I have often thought the same about my mother....

I am sure she is already planning ahead to an old age cosseted by by youngest brother and his family...in their house...or possibly for them to move in with her...

Good luck with that then.I can only imagine the joy that would bring to sil's marriage.

Even if I can't actually manage to say those words,I will NEVER be available to her...and they won't be getting involved on her behalf....

Unfortunately,I am sure she will never reflect with any self awareness,so I will always be her/their version of me,to them.

Oh well...I can look forward to my old age,since they definitely won't be around to intrude on that...

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