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Is my marriage over?

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Sickboy · 08/05/2011 11:14

Hi, all. I've posted here, on and off, for the last six or seven years - mostly about my eldest son's issues with impulsive behaviour/ADHD diagnosis.

This one is, I think, a lot more complicated.

My wife and I met in the mid '90s and married in '97. I guess you could say we got together in 'extreme circumstances' - I'd just escaped a relationship with a woman who, although sexually exciting, was extreme and erratic (and, at one point, suicidal). My wife broke off an engagement to be with me.

We've always had plenty of intimacy and easy connection - and great sex. But in the years since my second son (now 6) was born, we found it more and more difficult to balance each other's diverging sex drives. (Unsurprisingly, I wanted lots of sex, she would have probably been okay with two or three times a month).

Of course, there's the post-birth hormonal issue and the shifting priorities and energies of parenthood, but I always hoped we could maintain some kind of sexual relationship through it all.

But we now find ourselves with two demanding young boys (10 and 6) - one of whom has ADHD-related behavioural problems - and with absolutely zero sexual connection.

We sleep in the same bed and share basic physical intimacy (cuddles, hand-holding, cringingly chaste kisses)... but there's no sign of anything resembling a rekindling of sex or sexual desire. Although nothing has really changed outwardly (no weight-ballooning or hygiene issues) she says she just 'doesn't see me that way' any more. And, sadly, over the last few months, I've started to feel the same. (The resentment has changed to resignment and, where I used to look at her and see someone I fancied, I now see someone who I know is technically attractive, but who is unattainable and therefore not a sexual prospect any more).

We've been to counselling, but I found it extremely painful as I felt cast as the villain - someone whose insistent sexual appetite had pushed my wife into retreating from sex altogether. The discussions tended to focus on me and how I manage my desire, but it always felt pointless and academic. Even in the first session, there was a strong sense that my wife had passed through into a place of no return.

I'm in my (very) early '40s and feel like I have plenty of fine years of potency left. :) I'm simply not ready to live without a sexual relationship and, obviously, I can see that we might have to separate to put that right. But there are times when I feel like I've built a home and two great children and so it's my responsibility to stick the fuck around and see it all through. After all - it's only sex, right?

I can't talk to any male friends about this and I've lost faith in therapy/counselling. I have simply no idea what to do next, as nothing seems to work. Walking away from my wife would mean walking away from my children and I can't bear the thought of that. Putting up with a sexless marriage would keep our family together, but on a flimsy foundation and I can only see myself getting more and more unhappy.

My wife has suggested we go for an 'open' arrangement and, of course, I've had plenty of short-lived thrills along those lines... But I'm certain that she isn't doing the same. I feel like a wayward teenager who's been told he can have his own way outside the home as long as he doesn't disrupt things inside. I don't want that. I want my wife to want me not just as a friend, a brother figure, a life partner, a fellow parent... but as a man, too.

SB

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Xales · 08/05/2011 12:08

hmm

I once dated a guy he said to me that I was like an escort or a fiesta after his last g/f being a ferrari. Didn't make me feel too great about myself or him and a few short months later it was all over.

You have been with your wife for 20+ years yet you feel the need to tell us all about how sexually exciting you previous relationship over 20 years was. Why? Whether you say that or not to your wife the thought is there and how does that affect how you treat her and make her feel? Do you think 20 years down the line the neurotic ex would have been just as sexually exciting?

Children without difficulties can be a handful enough. They always want you to 'look at this', 'look mummy', 'come here', 'see', 'do', 'play'. When you sit down for a cuppa they never sit beside you nicely and have a cuddle they always sit on top of you. You never get any space much as you love them. This feeling of never having any space is only compounded by having ADHD etc.

Then you get a H with his insistant sexual appetites (your words). I don't know how insistant, naggy, whiney and whingy you have been. Even just bringing up the lack you feel in conversation is going to have her thinking god someone just give me space.

Perhaps she feels if she gives you a good snog then you are going to want more or see it as a red light and that is why you just get cringingly chaste kisses? Perhaps you have foul breath/beer breath and do not have good enough hygiene and she doesn't want to upset you and tell you?

It is all a real libido killer!

Perhaps she just doesn't fancy you any more.

No one here can tell you the answers. The two of you need to talk without pressuring about your life together in general not just what you can do to fix your sex life.

Xales · 08/05/2011 12:09

green light not red sorry!

elephantsaregreen · 08/05/2011 12:10

Hey there. I really feel for you. it's very hard to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't want to be with you sexually. Sex is important for many people and so therefore it's important in a relationship. So you're not a villain for wanting sex and for wanting it with your wife.

But I have to say that you actually have come to a decent compromise here. If she is ok with you having an 'open enough' relationship so you can get some needs met outside of your relationship then that is a much better place than many other couples. Even if she isn't taking advantage of that arrangement herself.

What does she think the reasons are for not wanting sex?

I suppose I would be asking if you still love her. If you love her and enjoy spending time together then maybe the arrangement you have will work. But if you feel like the relationship is false then perhaps a separation would be better.

I'm sorry this is a brief response, but if you haven't already I recommend reading the column (not blog) by Dan Savage. He is a very sex positive advice columnist.

good luck

Sickboy · 08/05/2011 14:34

Haha. Xales - my hygiene is fine. I think it's about what I represent rather than what I look/taste/smell like.

elephantsaregreen - yes, I think it is a decent enough arrangement, but I worry about the longevity of 'open' marriage - particularly when neither partner really wants to go that way and they're doing it more out of an urge to keep the family/domestic unit together.

Thank-you both for taking the time to reply. I realise there are no 'answers'. It's just good to get a different perspective.

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zikes · 08/05/2011 15:16

What do you represent?

Givenchy · 08/05/2011 17:10

SB - I am in your position, apart from the fact that my h will not consider an open relationship. He is not as interested in the act as me, and, even when I am as skinny as he would like, only wants it once a month - but he doesn't want me to have anyone else. I have got to the point where I don't want him any more, but, like you, don't want to lose an otherwise companionable marriage. We have a nice life but I am just not happy.

I have no advice for you, sorry. My friends tell me to leave but I do have a good lifestyle. It is just not bad ENOUGH for me to go. Perhaps you feel the same.

Missmatched libidoes cause do many problems :(

Givenchy · 08/05/2011 17:11

'Mismatched' even!

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 08/05/2011 21:57

I'm a bit puzzled about some of the things you say, OP.

Why is it "unsurprising" that your sex drive was higher?

When you say you have had "plenty of short-lived thrills along those lines", do you mean you have already been unfaithful (albeit with your wife's approval) several times?

Any why would ending the marriage mean you would lose your children? Would it not be possible to agree a co-parenting arrangement with your wife, if you parted?

I'm curious about what your wife would say if she posted. It's evident that your wife was once a very sexual woman and there must be a good reason for why she no longer wants intimacy.

I can well understand why you do not want to give up sex and intimacy and also why you don't want to give up on your wife, but it just doesn't sound as though you really know why this has happened, either because your wife hasn't been honest about how she feels, or perhaps because you haven't been listening - perhaps both.

I was also puzzled about the relevance of your ex, or the circumstances of how you and your wife got together. What relevance do you attach to these things?

Sickboy · 09/05/2011 19:33

@zikes - I suppose I represent something dysfunctional rather than any chance of free and easy sexual abandon/discovery. I'm the guy she went to counselling with, rather than the guy she likes to fuck occasionally.

@Givenchy - Your situation seems to mirror mine. Over time, the implicit rejection becomes toxic. In more cynical moments, I wonder if the pressure to be monogamous is the problem and if a life partner was just one part of your sexuality - instead of the whole thing - then more marriages would stay together.

@WhenwillIfeelnormal - 'Unsurprising' because that's usually the case. Just being facetious...

Yeah, a few 'affairs' - but I don't agree that it's being 'unfaithful' if you have a partner's approval/sign-off...

I don't want to lose my children as part of a domestic family unit. I hate the idea of, as Tracey Thorn so poignantly put it, "the afternoon handovers by the swings". And the situation is difficult /because/ we're so close and otherwise friendly. If we were throwing plates around, then there wouldn't be many options.

I think my wife has retreated because of - as she sees it - the pressure to maintain a strong sexual relationship. I suppose the logical thing would have been to back off, but at the time that just felt like accepting fate. That urge to grab on to the rope as you see something drifting away is strong.

I had hoped it was just a fallow period - of regrouping and recovering. But it now feels more chronic.

And I mention my ex to illustrate how we both started the relationship off the back of extreme situations.

@elephantsaregreen - forgot to thank you for recommending Dan Savage. I've been a big fan of his for a long time - I regularly listen to the Savage Love podcast. :) Thanks, though.

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