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Worried by friends relationship - how to reach out to her?

41 replies

WeeBitWorried · 01/05/2011 11:34

Namechanger and I'm posting this on behalf of my friend who is very worried about a mutual friend of ours (I'll call her Sally so it doesn't get confusing). I know that there is (sadly) a wealth of experience on abusive relationships on these boards, and having read enough threads myself I am strongly hearing warning bells on our friends relationship. I'll try to be fairly vague as don't want to out her.

Sally is late twenties, very fiesty, good career, financially sorted. Got involved with her DP about 18 months ago, after she came out of a very long term and stifling relationship. He is from a different (western) country, and she seemed smitten. I'm not 100% sure of the order of events, but at some point along the way he was 'depressed' with his job (not working for the right kind of company apparently) and has quit, moved in with her and is being financially supported by her. He won't find another job unless it's in the 'right' place, but there isn't any in their area so that his how he justifies not working.

Last year Sally and my friend went on a long haul holiday. They were delayed coming back for quite a while because of the snow, and by all account's Sally's DP was not happy. He had himself gone on holiday to an African country, and then contact with him ceased for 4 days. Sally was out of her mind with worry, obviously her holiday was ruined as her days were spent trying to contact him. Eventually contact came, apparently DP had been kidnapped at gunpoint and held hostage in a dark room. After four days they held a gun to his head and said he had to marry their daughter. He said no, so they then let him go and he went back to his hotel. His hotel gave him the rest of his stay for free.

Obviously it sounds very dubious and weird, but Sally was convinced and very concerned and has spent a lot of time since helping him get over his 'trauma'.

This trauma has manifested itself in her DP being very possesive over her going out. Since then she has also developed a 'stalker'. When she is out (for eg with colleagues) she regularly gets abusive messages from an unknown number, purporting to be a girl, telling her she is not good enough for her DP, she is a slag, how dare she do what she is doing, she should keep her legs shut etc etc etc. Sally very scared by this, especially as a lot of the time noone knows where she is except the person she is with. Oh, and her DP.... (sceptical, much?!). Sally is so worried she has informed HR at work she has a stalker.

Recent event which triggered my friend asking me to post this, out for lunch drinks at work, which evolved into afternoon drinking and then early evening, Sally, my friend and a very old work colleague. At 7pm (so not late) Sally's DP texts her 'I'm only going to say this once. Come. Home. Now'. Sally, very apologetic and worried, despite having done nothing wrong, goes home. My friend v worried about her. Next day (and why we aer worried as she is covering for him) Sally says that she had forgotted her DP had been punched in the eye the day before (!) and he wasn't supposed to be home alone because of the trauma of the kidnapping.

My friend has had an abusive relationship herself and can see the signs, so is sick with wory. But we also know unless we tread carefully she could shut herself away from us and stop confiding, she seems to have become so subservient to him/ I've sent my friend the abuser checklist and an article on gaslighting, but really hoped we could get some more advice on here on how we can give her a lightbulb moment. My main worry is that the emotional abuse will soon develop into something physical

Thanks if you got this far, and I know it all sounds a bit crazy and far fetched, which to me makes it all the more worrying...

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WeeBitWorried · 02/05/2011 16:17

Nice theory garlic, but no, he is antipodean! No links to the country at all as far as I am aware. I truly believe it is a crock of shit.

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BalloonSlayer · 02/05/2011 18:10

God sounds like a bloke my friend contacted through internet dating. He was supposedly American and worked for Amnesty International. Yeah . . . He went to "Africa" and was held by corrupt police who wanted him to pay them £10,000. She was beside herself with worry - if she'd had the money she'd have given it to him. I asked her what country he'd said he was in. She said "Africa" at which point I reminded her that Africa is a continent, not a country. Thank God she never did cough up.

garlicbutter · 02/05/2011 18:21

Ooh, BS, Amnesty International's a good one! I've known a couple of women who fell for "secret SAS officers" Hmm

Lol at Africa the country! Lousy geography for an international aid worker, huh?

BalloonSlayer · 02/05/2011 18:29

Yeah, shame my friend was so distressed, as I wanted to laugh and say: "Oh no! Falsely imprisoned by corrupt police? That sounds like a job for Amnesty International!"

merrywidow · 02/05/2011 18:42

I would get the number of the 'stalker' then get another PAYG phone and send them some messages along the lines of ' we know who you are and we are watching so play with Sally or you will lose your balls mr X'

Give him a taste of his own medicine

merrywidow · 02/05/2011 18:43

Mean't 'play nice with Sally'

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 02/05/2011 19:02

Ooh, that's a good idea merrywidow. Particularly if you deny all knowledge OP. All sorts of messages along the lines of 'You are being watched. Your behaviour is noted. You are a domestic abuser and this is not going to be tolerated.' It might even frighten the arsehole into dumping Sally and running for the hills.

I can't take credit for 'cockstruck', someone else used it on here a while ago, I think it might have been either Expat or AF.

HerHissyness · 02/05/2011 19:31

still love the expression, even if it wasn't a SGB original!

Doesn't sound like an AF... could be an Expatism though.

Loving the PAYG phone, idea... get a whole host of SIM cards and send the messages back from multiple addresses.

WeeBitWorried · 02/05/2011 19:54

Oooh what a good idea - the headfucker becomes the headfucked!

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merrywidow · 02/05/2011 20:03

Exactly, Its obviously him and he will definately understand the 'language' he speaks. you have nothing to lose IMO; scare the fucker witless and if you for one moment think that Sally is going to be/ has been subjected to DV I'd call the police yourselves.

You could always send a message to Sally from a PAYG that he is dangerous and she should be very careful of him

merrywidow · 02/05/2011 20:06

self style yourself as an Ex who got away and give some detail.

Do anything - get her out even if she thinks its her idea and comes to you asking for help

merrywidow · 02/05/2011 20:07

if you sow a seed of doubt, anonimously of course, in Sallys head it should be enough to start the ball rolling

garlicbutter · 02/05/2011 20:31

Oh, merrywidow, where were you when I needed some fierce counter-headfucking tactics??

... Don't worry, I know. You're using your new-found knowledge to EXCELLENT effect, though Grin

merrywidow · 02/05/2011 20:40

Feel like I'm on a bit of a roll with this one - thinking outside the box stuff Grin

WeeBitWorried · 07/11/2011 12:45

Resurrecting this post as I am more than a 'WeeBit' worried now. The situation is escalating and I am really concerned about what will happen next. I just need to get some advice on the best way to approach this to keep her safe.

Since I last posted things have continued, the stalker getting more abusive, knowing where she is, knowing who she is with (making racist remarks about someone she is often with, who I suspect her DP feels jealous of). It's getting ridiculous now. She has changed, has said on many occassions that she is lucky to have him as he's much too good for her, she's constantly saying she can't go out as she doesn't spend enough time with her and he will 'kill her' if she goes out too much (meant in the non literal sense, but still). He came up with another few corkers the last time we were away together, saying that he might not be there when she got back etc. Ruined the holiday.

Anyway, the stalker thing has become more unbelievable over the past week and he is kind of digging himself a hole, but I'm worried about how he will act if it all starts unravelling? We are going to say something to her, but is this the right thing to do? I KNOW she won't believe us. But I also have a feeling if he gets wind of our suspicions or hers he might get dangerous. I'm actually worried he has already been physical towards her but I don't know this for sure. I just fear that she will doubt her friendships and she will really need her friends if this all comes out.

Argh I know it sounds so easy to say 'just ask her if she has thought it's him' but he seems to have such a hold on her.

Please, any advice will be really appreciated. Just keep thinking of similar stories when it's ended in the worst possible way :( so don't want to sit back and do nothing...

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Hissy · 07/11/2011 21:26

I really think you have to take her to the police station, let THEM decide who is doing this.

You have to make it clear that she must never, ever tell anyone about this police involvement.

She is in danger by the sounds of it, you can't do nothing.

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