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Advice please

32 replies

ninja · 01/05/2011 07:50

Basically H is leaving me (we have dd's aged 8 and 2) - things have been up and down for years and he's threatened to leave several times in the past (once because apparantly I don't always shut doors Hmm).

I always promised that the next time I'd let him as he can be very difficult around these times but when it came he'd tell me that it was all my fault that he was being upset/angry, that I'd done this and that and I should know by now that not shutting doors/phoning him to find out what time he'd be home.... annoys him and I'd end up feeling awful and saying sorry and making promises and then being the perfect stepford wife for a few weeks before the frustration started seeping out.

He can be a lovely person (which is the side that most people see) and the kids love him as he's fun and patient with them. He's a great dad in fact (although a couple of my friends have commented that it's all on his terms as for example he NEVER gets up with the kids unless I'm not there). Howvere, he's out a lot - 3 times a week he goes to footy after work and doesn't come back 'til after midnight, then there's the season ticket, the stag do's...

As I say things have been bad for a while he made me sleep in the spare room a few months ago ('cos after him being away skiing without us for a week I phpned him up when he was at the pub to say it'd be nice if he could come home so we could see him - I meant it but he took it that I was nagging him Sad) and he's been pretty unpleasant to live with constantly picking on ANYTHING I say - arguing and shouting at me including in front of the kids. Again he tells me this is my fault and something he doesn't want to do .....

I'm obviously no angel - (I've been watching the 'am I an abuser' thread with interest). He works full time, I work 3 days and look after the 2 year old the rest of the time - I also do the school pick ups whcih means I have to make up my work in the eveinings. I do all the washing, shopping, cooking, sorting out of finances, kids stuff, get up with the kids ....... One of his complaints is that I have implied that he's lazy and that I've done this in front of friends (I admit I have made those 'men' kind of comments). I can get absorbed in my work (often 'cos I struggle to get it done between all the looking after the kids) but I'm sick of all the 'you only work 3 days comments'

Even so - I was hoing that we'd be able to go to counselling again (we were sacked from relate last time - he'squite argumentative Blush but we did manage to sort things out a lot and had dd2)

Sorry - this is turning into a rant but it feels good to write it all down.

Basically a few weeks ago he said he wanted a separation. He was prepared to leave (because he can't buy me out) but that he wanted half the equilty of the house and the kids half the time. For days he kept hassling me about which days we'd have the kids which was really upsetting - he backed off this a bit I think he may have heard me sobbing in the middle of the night Sad

Now it's the money. A week or so after he told me he wanted to leave I was away with the kids and he went to see houses and put in an offer on one which was bit of a shock as I suppose I had still hoped it would work out. He basically said I need the money ASAP. I have some inherited shares which may cover half the equity in house, I'll probably need to increase the mortgage a bit. I saw a financial advisor last week and that evening he came into my room at 11.30 after being in the pub and said well? I said could we talk about this another time as I was trying to sleep? No! So I said the advisor had taken the information away and would get back to me which he didn't believe. In the end he went away but I was made to feel awful that I couldn't let him know.

The house he's seen does look lovely and would be great for the kids, near the park and DD1's best friend (I'm almost envious!) so I do wnat to help him get it, it's just he's being so demanding. He probably is being fair in what he's asking for as I do have more assets than him (although he hasn't considered his greater earning power/pension/share of his friends business that he has ....).

I want to speak to my parents about all this as the shares my Granny left me are in a family company (well one set up by great, great grandpa although family no longer ...). I don't want to sell them without speaking to them plus I just want to talk it over. He's adamant that I shouldn't tell anyone. My parents are 1.5 hours away so it wouldn't be easy for me to go and see them without him knowing. I don't want to upset him as I really feel if we can do this amicably it's better for the kids.

I guess after this HUGE rant (and thank you sooo much if you've made it to the end) is should I stand up to him on this... actually that sounds like a ridiculous question after all of this writing!!

Any advice on trying to make the separation easier for the kids, more amicable... would be much appreciated.

OP posts:
Dozer · 06/05/2011 09:14

Listen to these ladies and your parents please, and please engage a solicitor, the investment will be well worth it. Do not agree to anything he is pushing. At all!

Giving in to him will not benefit the kids, they need you to be strong and stand up for the three of you.

What do your friends in real life think of him? Tell them what's happening, maybe they can help.

Dozer · 06/05/2011 09:17

Shocking that he wants to buy a nice house inmediately after leaving, and for you to give him the cash to do so.

The kids will be just fine visiting him in a rented house/flat, they don't need him to buy a house, courtesy of you!

Selfish, bullying and delusional behaviour. The fact that he thinks he can get you to do this suggests that he has had his own way and walked all over you for far too long.

Anniegetyourgun · 06/05/2011 09:31

There we go, just as predicted, he reckons "we agreed" when your recollection was "he dictated". Wait for the big drama scene when you don't go along with this. Make it clear that nothing is agreed until you say so through a solicitor. He's harrying you so you won't have time to think, so you won't see that he is being a greedy bastard.

ninja · 06/05/2011 11:46

Yes - I've just had the 'but you agreed ....' conversation again. Then the emotional blackmail well we'll have to do it your way but you're being selfish and not thinking of the kids'.... Sad

I really want to be able to come to an agreement if I can as it will be best for the kids if we don't argue more. The valuations of the house have come back a lot lower than he thought too so no he's arguing that those are wrong too

Thanks for the continued support

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Anniegetyourgun · 06/05/2011 11:58

How come it's you who has to roll over and play dead so the kids don't witness an argument? That way he only has to say anything, anything at all, cut your right arm off for him, and you'll have to agree because otherwise you might argue and that would be terrible! If you refused to discuss it except via solicitors it wouldn't be an argument to have in front of the children - unless he kept trying to make it one.

There is such advantage being taken here of your good nature and conscience, it's disgusting. Please have faith that you know what is best for the kids and handing him all your money, which presumably you had hoped to spend on them or pass on to them eventually, is not in their interests either. I say again, do not trust him for one minute to have their interests foremost in mind. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But you know you do.

cjel · 06/05/2011 11:58

Bless you ninja. Its very tough on children but he has a role to play in making it easier for them as well as you. If things are that bad can you sperate now so he can stay somewhere else then dcs might not hear so much of arguing? maybe insist on contact through solictors will be the only way to stop him arguing? YANBU he's the one pushing for all these changes.

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