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I need advice on a troubled friendship. Please.

30 replies

ElizabethBennet · 05/11/2005 16:10

This is going to be a long one. Sorry!
I have a friend, A (female), who I have known for 18 years. We've been there for each other over the years. She is still single, despite several serious relationships. Meanwhile, I'm married with three young children. She gets on really well with my dh and the children, though now she works in London and I'm 200 miles away in the country. I love her dearly and consider her my best friend, she vertainly my oldest friend, and the person I can speak most honestly too (apart from dh). She has loads of friends: she's one of those people that makes friends easily and manages to keep them, she's warm, affectionate, caring, intelligent, beautiful and all-round lovely.
So. Last October I went to see her for the weekend and she told me that she'd been having a fling with a man who was married with three children. She also told me that they knew it was wrong so had called a halt. She was very upset because she genuinely cares for this man but knew it wasn't the right thing to do. I was sympathetic to how she felt but was glad they had called a halt. In December I saw her again and she told me that she and the married man were now involved in a full affair. She said all the things that I never believed people really said: "His wife doesn't understand him", "They're just like brother and sister", "They're only together for the children". I had one of those clear moments, despite the fact that we were both well into the wine at this point, and I had to tell her what I thought. I was quite tough with her, because I was so horrified at what she as doing and how the most likely scenario was that she was going to get dreadfully hurt. She got upset and cross with me and completely stunned me by saying it was all right for me because I had eveything that she wanted: husband and children. I know that she desperately wants to settle down with someone, but has always been unsure about children and certainly seems to relish her career and London life. After the row, we sort of agreed to disagree and went on to spend the rest of the weekend together, though I felt that we going through the motions a bit.
I thought it best to give her some space for a couple of months (not that unusual for us) so that I wouldn't seem to be on her case about the man. I heard nothing from her either. By March/April I was getting a bit worried, sent a couple of texts/emails but no reply. (It's near-impossible to pin her down on the phone.) Eventually, at the end of May I got a text telling me that in February she'd been diagnosed with a cancerous tumour on her nose and was currently undergoing chemo and radiotherapy. She couldn't talk or hear and her mother was caring for her. As soon as her treatment finished she went to stay with her parents. In her text she apologised for not letting me know earlier but did comment on how I hadn't been in touch. I would have explained why, but it didn't seem the moment to go into it. I really wanted to go and see her as soon as she was well enough, but when I was going to suggest going to her parents she told me she wasn't there, but was staying with a friend to give her Mum a break. The next I head (end June) she was down near me and wanted to arrange to meet in early July. That failed to happen, but she said said she'd be back down at end July. I didn't hear any more. I sent texts, no answer. I got a circular email that said she was going to back to work and to say that she had been given the cancer all-clear. I texted and emailed but still no reply.
Now. I'm going up to London next weekend to see my mother: we're scattering my step-father's ashes. I've emailed A to say I'd love to try and meet her for a drink or if she'd like to join us at the scattering: she knew my step-father and it won't be too maudlin an affair. No answer. I'm thinking of sending her a text on Monday in case she didn't get my email, but otherwise I really think she's telling me something by not replying.
Thank you for getting this far, I know it's horribly long! What shall I do now? I know I've been a useless friend to her this year, but I've had my own stuff happening as well. I feel she's cutting me out. Is it a hopeless case? Should I just cut my losses? I don't want to lose this friend: I don't have that many and she's my oldest and dearest. Any thoughts appreciated.

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ElizabethBennet · 05/11/2005 16:12

Oh, and I know I should just ring her, but I'm scared . I'm scared she'll either not take my call or I just won't do any more on the phone than cry. Gos, I sound pathetic, but I don't think I can bear to hear her say that she doesn't want my friendship any more.

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Superblastofflips · 05/11/2005 16:14

why cant you just ring her instead? and you'll find out once and for all what she is playing at??

Superblastofflips · 05/11/2005 16:15

or carry on going rounds circles??

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milkbar · 05/11/2005 16:18

Phone her. Old dear friends are so precious. Or write to her - don't let it just fade out.

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ElizabethBennet · 05/11/2005 16:27

Since posting, I was thinking that writing it all down made it seem obvious that the friendship was dead, in her eyes. Now I've read your posts, I'm crying!

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noddyholder · 05/11/2005 16:27

Phone her Considering what she has been through I think your disagreement will be the last thing on her mind.She will be over the moon I'm sure Serious illness re prioritises everything She probably needs you

ElizabethBennet · 05/11/2005 16:31

Thanks, noddyh. I know that's the voice of experience speaking there! You're all right, I know. I'll need to do it when the children aren't around though. And maybe have a large glass of wine in hand...

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saadia · 05/11/2005 21:59

Definitely phone her, she may be hoping you will, she may be too scared to phone you - but don't live with the regret of not calling at a time when she may be needing you.

harpsichordcarrier · 05/11/2005 22:08

oh you really have to phone her. otherwise you will really regret it.
I hope it goes well for you.
hc x

Lonelymum · 05/11/2005 22:13

I think you will only know one way or another by phoning her and speaking to her direct. Actually, I think she is being rather unfair to you, and if she wants to end your friendship, she should at least have the nerve to tell you directly.

marthamoo · 05/11/2005 22:20

Oh blimey - yes, phone her, best friends are too precious to let go. It doesn't really matter now why you 'fell out' - what matters is that you make up. I wish you luck.

ElizabethBennet · 05/11/2005 23:27

Gosh, it's unanimous, isn't it? I know you're all right. I'll have to wait until the children aren't around, but I think it's the right thing to do. Just have to steel myself.

And thanks, Lonelymum, sometimes I do think she's being unfair, but then I think of all she's been through and how little I've been there for her. Aaaargh! Only one way out of this. I'll let you know...

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ScummyMummy · 05/11/2005 23:42

Good luck eb. Hope you sort it out.

JanH · 05/11/2005 23:51

Can't tell why you failed to meet in July but up to then she had not cut you out, had she? She did stay in touch...hope you can speak and get together and get back something of your old friendship (even though I understand perfectly your rearing up last time you met).

Good luck from me too

Blu · 06/11/2005 14:32

EB - another one for 'phone her' here.

And also, to back track a bit. I can see why yu took umbrage at her affair with a married man, but I think that as her best friend, you also ned to see it from her pov. She was undoubtedly being told all that stuff by the man, it wasn't your man, so although you may well have a moral view, it wasn't for you to take personally, and in the end, our mistakes are our own to make. She undoubtedly was envious, by that point, of your settled life, and appropriate single partners are v hard to find at a certain stage in life! I'm not advocating her actions, jjust saying, there may be reasons she felt she could not approach you for a while. Especially if the suport she needed from this man dried up at the very moment she needed it, and she couldn't face the possibility of an unspoken 'told you so' - even if it came from her rather than you, itswim!

I hope she sees you open arms, and the support you can, and will give her, and hopefully hyour freindship will regenerate, and be a testimony to the care you each have for each other.

steph1974 · 06/11/2005 14:51

You need to be prepared for the fact that your friendship may well be over but like the others said you definately need to contact her somehow to find out once and for all.Good luck.

nightowl · 07/11/2005 04:41

such a sad post. i think that had she been a rubbish friend all in all i would say forget about her. but from what you say she isnt a bad person "She has loads of friends: she's one of those people that makes friends easily and manages to keep them, she's warm, affectionate, caring, intelligent, beautiful and all-round lovely." so you already know that she is someone you value, and someone who is perhaps a good person making/who made a mistake. its likely she knew what she was doing was wrong but maybe felt let down that it seemed you had called time on the friendship after 18 years because she did one thing you didnt approve of. or maybe she was avoiding you because she had found out that you were right. perhaps when she found out about the cancer she didnt feel able to talk to you about it because of what had happened between you.

i know im wording this post really rubbish btw. anyhow, if you think things may be awkward on the phone, why dont you send her a letter? not an email, a handwritten letter. it will be more personal and something she can read and digest. write it all down, how you felt, how you feel now etc. you have nothing to lose by doing that. if it still seems that she has no desire to salvage the friendship then i think you will have to let it go but at least then you tried. i always think its a terrible shame when friendships break up because both parties are too stubborn, or too scared to say how they really feel. i waited four years to get in touch with my ex best friend and by then it was too late, we're friends again but we wont ever be close. the silly thing is, if i had just gotten in touch sooner we could have been.

suzywong · 07/11/2005 05:30

yes phone her

FWIW my oldest and best friend is single and childless and I know she dearly wants babies and a partner. Although she has not had the bad health problems of your poor friend and there was not polarisation of morals between us, I feel she is trying to distance herself from me too as I represent what she wants but has not. Anyway what I mean to say is, that even if all the health issues and the affair stuff had not have happened you may have found yourselves at a friendship crossroads after 18 years, I know we have. So don't beat yourself up too badly about your reaction to her affair or for standing for what she wants but doesn't have.

Take the advice of the wise MNers and phone her but if you really feel that the gap between you is just too wide then do your best to be supportive and open but be prepared to accept an impasse in your previously close relationship.
HTH

Beetroot · 07/11/2005 07:58

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merryberry · 07/11/2005 08:25

and if phoning is tricky, write a letter?

ElizabethBennet · 07/11/2005 10:21

Gosh, thanks for all your posts!

We have progress: she rang me yesterday! I can't tell you the relief, I feel as though a huge weight has been lifted. She's had continuing health issues the last few months, which is why I haven't heard from her/seen her. We had a good long talk and I feel we've got ourselves back on track.

It's been great to get all your views on the friendship. I think I got so wrapped up in seeing the situation from my point of view that I didn't have the perspective to see it from hers, even though I thought I did. We're going to have to work at keeping the friendship alive, I think, because our lives are so different, and that raises an issue in itself (re: marriage/children) but I think the will is there on both sides. (By the way, married man walked out on her on the first day of chemo as she was throwing up on the kitchen floor. Hmmm...)

Thank you all for your great advice. It's really helped me think about the friendship positively and how we can keep it going! Thank you!

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