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Depressed DH thinks sex is the answer!

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PlopPlopPing · 29/04/2011 08:15

My Dh has long term depression. He was on medication for a long time but weaned himself off it to try to deal with it himself and because it gave him side effects such as not being able to ejaculate which was very frustrating. I have always been very supportive of his depression as he has of me when I had problems.

The problem is that he puts the depression down to other things, like he will say it's his hobby thats getting him down or his job. Quite often it's because he's sexually frustrated. I have gone out of my way (when I dont feel like it etc) to "help him out" as I know it lifts his mood but it's only temporary anyway so I'm starting to think what is the point and that it's not the solution!

We have sex as part of a normal sex life as well but not as much as he would like and he thinks this is a big problem. We have 2 small children and both also work extra hours so have a lot on our plates. I literally can not keep up with him sexually as I need to do other things to unwind such as have a bath or what a favourite program on telly (this only happens once or twice a week) and I think it's not unreasonable to expect this time to myself.

I don't know what advice I expect or want, just needed to write it down I think.

I do actually think my relationship is in danger as I can't stand him being miserable anymore as he brings me down and I can't keep propping him up in ways I don't feel like (sexually). I am also just dealing with the after affects of counselling for childhood sexual abuse. I feel like the counselling has changed my views on it all and made me realise that I don't have to do anything sexual if I don't completely feel like it and I don't have to feel bad about that either. I feel that I have changed but my husband hasn't got used to the changes yet. He generally takes a long time (years) to deal with any sort of change which he has been told is typical of someone with depression.

We always had an active sex life but there are certain things now that I feel uncomfortable with, I have tried explaining this to him but I don't seem to be getting anywhere.

I am happy with "helping him out" sometimes and also don't have a problem with him masturbating etc but he did that last night and still complained that he felt depressed because he is frustrated. This morning he has woken up in a bad mood so I called him a miserable fucker and left him in bed. I feel a bit mean as he is under a lot of pressure at work but I have enough of my own pressures to deal with. I care for my children full time and can't put another persons needs before my own ALL the time (learnt that at counselling!)

Also the more he moans generally or moans about being depressed because I dont want to have sex enough the less I want to do it. He has quite a dirty streak (if you get my meaning) but the things I used to do to satisfy this I just don't feel comfortable doing at the moment.

The fall out of all of this is that there is a distance between us, emotionally and physically (he always says that if we get too cuddly then he gets frustrated which i can imagine as he gets an instant erection) so we don't cuddle enough for my liking. I guess he has always had a higher sex drive so he hasn't changed it's me.

Wow this is so long!

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Lizzabadger · 29/04/2011 08:29

Well it's all about him and his needs, isn't it, and yours don't count. He doesn't seem to view you as a person in your own right, just as a receptacle to do anal sex etc. against. He's probably getting a kick out of making you do thugs you don't want to do, to boot. I expect his selfish, entitled behaviours are not limited to sex. What do you get out of this relationship? Do you want to continue to be with this man?

PlopPlopPing · 29/04/2011 08:42

Lizzabadger Well he isn't selfish in any other way, he's good around the house and with the kids, very hands on etc. He just seems to have this huge sexual need! When we have sex he is very "giving" and loves pleasing me in that way and he's very good at it. It's just the quantity! He seems to feel the need so strongly! I know a lot of people on here say that that is bullshit but I see it with my own eyes and can see how frustrated he gets. I can understand as well as I get like that when I am ovulating, so it is like he is always ovulating!

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Lizzabadger · 29/04/2011 08:55

If all this is the case, what's the problem, then? You can tell him how you feel and he will of course respect your wishes and leave you alone because he wouldn't dream of having sex with you that wasn't mutually consensual and enjoyable.

You would not be posting if this were true.

He wants to do things to you that he knows you are not comfortable with and wants to have sex with you knowing you don't want to. Sounds vile to me.

PlopPlopPing · 29/04/2011 09:04

Well I do tell him how I feel as I said he has a problem with change, it takes forever! I have told him how I feel about it and have offered to buy him a book for partners of people who have been sexually abused to help him understand but he just looked offended. I feel that the depression is a lot to do with it as he is just after quick fixes but there isn't one. I have suggested couples counselling but he only really speaks to me about his feelings, he doesn't even discuss things with his family (they don't know about the depression) so isn't going to be able to do it with a stranger.

I'm thinking of suggesting he goes back ont he anti depressants but then we gets the ejaculation problem again!

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Xales · 29/04/2011 09:14

It sounds a little to me like having been abused you were 'conditioned' to being used sexually how ever a man wanted you.

Now you have had some councelling you have realised hang on I don't like anal sex/deep throating/golden showers, I just like nice loving sharing vanilla sex. Also I don't have to do it when it is demanded it is my body and I can say no.....

I can sort of understand where he is coming from. He found this hot babe will to do what ever he wanted when ever and now you are saying hang on I don't want to.

However if he knows about your past and you have told him you are not comfortable and he is not listening then he is not a good loving husband. A good loving husband would support his wife not pester and sulk.

Also you have 2 young kiddies so your body has been through a lot the last few years. You are working overtime no wonder you don't want to! Is your housework split fairly? You say he has hobbies, do you?

Will he go to councelling with you to try and see why you are no longer comfortable? I would put to him that this is the best thing to do as you love him and want a long happy loving sexually active marriage but if he keeps on at you like a randy rabbit dismissing your feelings and views on things you are going to end up resentful and eventually it will seriously damage and destroy your marriage.

Plus let him know sulking being depressed about lack of sex is unsexy and really doesn't make you want to do it with him more!

Good luck

Xales · 29/04/2011 09:17

Sorry x posts with you.

If he is offended at learning about what you went through and wont go to councelling to help the pair of you sort out your problems you will be doomed long term as you will end up really resentful Sad

PlopPlopPing · 29/04/2011 09:20

Xales - you are right . . . I am a "hot babe"! Smile Thanks for your reply, I'm going to go and have a little think, will be back later.

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PlopPlopPing · 29/04/2011 09:22

Also you are right in that I never felt entirely comfortable with saying "no" and have had to learn to do that. It's taken a long time but it's like something has finally clicked.

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Xales · 29/04/2011 09:31

It is very very hard to say no. I know (-: Even now at 42 it is hard!

My current partner will stop immediately if I ask no matter how much he is enjoying. He doesn't enjoy sex if I am not and would rather not do it. He knows that I cannot stand the smell of beer on breath it bring back horrible memories and so always cleans his teeth before kissing me when we have been out.

Good luck

FreudianSlipOnACrown · 29/04/2011 09:50

3 small things that caught my eye:

  1. What medication was he on before? Because there are LOADS of different ADs he could take, and not all of them would prevent ejaculation. ADs require persistence to find one that doesn't have side effects. Even for the same person - I've been on sertraline 3 times now and had different side effects each time! Maybe your DH just is unaware of this, but is it at all possible he's just using the ejaculation as an excuse not to go back on ADs?
  1. I'm a bit confused as you said you work extra hours but also look after the DCs full time (do you mean that in your non-work hours you do all the childcare?) either way, if you feel it's too much is it at all possible to cut down the hours? Less money is a small price to pay for more time IMHO.
  1. His hobby - if it's getting him down why is he doing it?
PlopPlopPing · 29/04/2011 15:41

Freudian well I was on them too for a while and tried several types which all gave me the same side effects. The dr said that if you get those side effects with one you'll get them with all. They were SSRIs which is the same as my DH is on. Are there others? About the work, I meant that I am full-time childcarer but also work part-time on top of that once the children are asleep so it's takes up some evenings and weekends. The hobby thing is just a symptom. He's had several hobbies over the years and gets a bit OCD about them. He had one which he hoped to turn into a career but when it didn't he was very upset. It was his passion.

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PlopPlopPing · 29/04/2011 15:43

Xales Yes I find it hard to say no (or at least used to) as I hate to hurt his feelings. I guess with all these years of me being desperate to please he has got used to that (can't blame him) so the new me is coming as a shock.

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FreudianSlipOnACrown · 29/04/2011 15:47

"The dr said that if you get those side effects with one you'll get them with all."

Your doctor is talking out of his/her arse.

There are lots of different types - ask them about SSNRIs, MAOIs and trycyclics.

lalalonglegs · 29/04/2011 16:17

One of the things I have noticed about people who suffer from depression is that, unless they are getting effective treatment, part of the illness makes them want to drag other people into depression with them. It may be the case that he doesn't actually want to have sex with you all the time but by pressuring you to the point where you have to say no he can then blame you for his depression and make you feel miserable as well. He needs treatment and I agree with Freudian that there will be an A/D that is right for him.

Diggs · 29/04/2011 18:00

(he always says that if we get too cuddly then he gets frustrated which i can imagine as he gets an instant erection) so we don't cuddle enough for my liking.

You dont get enough physical affection because he might get frustrated ? Sorry Op , i think thats a way to manipulate you into tending to his needs more . Why are you sometimes having sex with him to " help " him out , and why is he ok with using your body like this to give himself a quick fix ? His depression is his responsibility , and its for him to deal with , its not your responsibility to allow him to have sex on you to make himself feel better .

I wouldnt be too quick to blame this on depression , to me he sounds selfish and entitled . Did you discuss this with your counseller ?

PlopPlopPing · 29/04/2011 20:04

FreudianSlipOnACrown Are SSRIs the newest? As the dr seemed keen for us both to try them first.

Diggs I don't have sex with him to help him out, we do other things. Don't really want to go into too much detail but for example I might just kiss him very sexily while he masturbates. That way it stays a touchy feely thing that we do together but I don't have to have sex and he gets satisfied. That's just one example. I'm happy to do that quite a lot but some days I just don't want to even think about sex

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FreudianSlipOnACrown · 29/04/2011 20:20

Not sure if they're the newest. But your dr should be giving you and H the opportunity to try something else if it's not working or giving side effects.

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