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Nightmare Dating, scarey mean man

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SpongeBobTrianglePants · 22/04/2011 19:35

Was seeing a man for around 6 months. He is divorced, his wife left the family home and he stayed with his two children. He actually has three kids but one is away at uni.
The relationship between us was really good, we talked, had loads in common, saw each other regularly and he was kind and considerate towards me. I noticed early on however that he spoke much more about his youngest child than the other two. Eldest two are girls, the youngest a boy. He is extremely proud of the boy, goes on about him all the time, bigs him up constantly and takes great delight in sharing his acheivements with me. The boy is 10. He occasionally mentions the eldest child at uni but rarely talks about the middle child who lives with him. When I went to visit his house one night I noticed that the boy had trophys and certificates and photos everywhere. There was very little evidence of the middle child even existing! He showed me around his house. It was very nice but it also struck me that the young boy had the large, attic bedroom and it was all kitted out in the latest gadgets and new furniture. The middle child (girl aged 16) was in a smaller bedroom with nothing more than a bed and a chest of drawers and an old TV/DVD player combi.

Anyway two months ago I met his youngest children for the first time when he invited me around to dinner. The young boy was showcased ALL night and it was constant "hey show her how you do -- and show her - oh and watch him do ---- " it got a bit tiresome after a bit tbh but I stayed polite and made a fuss of the lad (who to be fair seemed like a lovely boy if not a little full of himself!). The 16 year old seemed quite shy but made an appearance to be polite. She said hello etc and she seemed lovely. DP however wasn't very nice to her at all. He took the piss out of her hair, asked her if her room was tidy yet and laughed when the young lad started ripping the piss out of her clothes. DP then turned around to me and said "she's a wierd one, all emo and stuff" to which she replied "actually, it's called not being a sheep and I'm not emo, that was 5 years ago" DP and his son then laughed together and she sighed and went upstairs. 5 minutes later DP went upstairs, the boy followed with great delight and then came running back downstairs to tell me that his sister was in a world of trouble for showing her dad up and was in the process of being told off and was crying!!!! Shock

Anyway a week later we went out with my son. He was ok at first but then started going on to my son about joining his rugby club and questioned him when he said he didn't like rugby. He then said "ah DS will toughen you up when you meet him". I told him that DS didn't need toughening up and he was fine as he was etc. He made out I was over-reacting and taking him too seriously.

I gave it one more chance involving the kids meeting each other (stupid I know). This again started off ok, they were at the park, boys running off going wild and his poor DD tagging along behind us. I tried to involve her by asking what she was listening to on her ipod and he interupted her answer by telling me "oh you don't want to know!" he then told her off for being ignorent and ordered that she put the ipod away. Her eyes filled up and he dragged her aside and had a major go at her about showing him up and mentioned she had been warned before they came out. I was feeling really uncomfortable at this point and started to make excuses to leave but the kids were hungry and I agreed to get something to eat. His ds then started going on about DS being a total wuss and that he nearly had him crying etc. I said "well that isn't nice, is it?" to which DP burst in with "You wern't nearly crying, were you?! he's a tough lad! he'll be catching up to you soon DS, he might have you crying one day!" ???? DP took the lads to the toilet and I was left with his DD. She said to me at this point " you'll hate him too if you spend enough time with him". She said it in a jokey way but I think she meant it. Made me wonder what her mother had gone through.

I apologised to DS for the whole thing later and I've not replied to this man's calls or texts since. I'm so angry for that poor girl and wonder what the hell he did to his wife. How on earth do you get over a disaster like this and get back into dating?? This was the first "relationship" I had since the breakup of my marriage and tbh it's put me right off.

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SpringchickenGoldBrass · 22/04/2011 21:29

Is there any way you can source some phone numbers/websites for young people who are being bullied and abused at home and pass these on to the DD? Just letting her know that you were appalled by her father's treatment of her and while you are a relative stragner with no right to interfere in her life, there is help out there that she can access, that her disgusting father is not normal and she will be believed if she approaches the relevant organisation.
Because this man clearly doesn;t think he is doing anything wrong - in his opinion women are not really people at all, so it won't occur to him to try to cover up his cruelty - he clearly wasn't bothered about abusing his DD in front of you.

SlightlyJaded · 22/04/2011 21:36

Good advice from SCGB

atswimtwolengths · 23/04/2011 11:22

I feel so sorry for her. I would try to keep in touch with her without her father knowing. I'd tell her exactly what I thought of him and tell her that if she's ever desperate, that you'll be there to help her. What else can you do? She obviously has no-one except that pig.

But why didn't you ask him, before you met the children, why he spoke so much about one child and not about the others? I wouldn't be able to resist that.

femalevictormeldrew · 23/04/2011 11:54

He sounds like a prick and you are very well rid of him. That poor girl, I hope she has someone to talk to.

What an arse wipe.

Conflugenglugen · 23/04/2011 12:00

SpongeBob - I feel deeply for his daughter, and his son in a different way, and I'm glad you got out when you did. However, I absolutely would not communicate with the father about his treatment of his DD. Given what we can see of him now, I really feel that it would only make things worse for her. This kind of abusive, dominating behaviour does not see reason, and he would have to have an outlet for the anger it will probably bring up in him. His DD is a prime target for that anger.

I would, however, contact SS - or at least find some way of drawing someone's attention to her plight. Just not via the father.

springydaffs · 23/04/2011 12:07

definitely contact ss, give them as much info as possible and keep on, don't be put off. This is so upsetting - for the girl, very much, but also for the boy, who is being groomed to be narcissist like his father Sad Sad

springydaffs · 23/04/2011 12:08

It does make you wonder how, and why, he got custody Sad Sad

Lucyinthepie · 23/04/2011 21:54

Some of the advice on here is making me feel a bit uncomfortable. Maybe you could speak to Childline and ask them what they think you could safely do to support the girl? If you follow the advice that some have given to try to keep some sort of secret contact with his daughter, how do people think he'll react if he finds out? What would treatment would he dole out to his daughter then? Remember, Op has only seen his public face with her, which was bad enough. What is he like behind closed doors?

Similarly, I would be cautious about emailing him and mentioning his daughter in any way as a reason why you don't want to see him again. You do not know what his twisted mind might make of that. I can understand that you might want to say something, and in fact I think you should at least email and say you don't want to see him again, but think twice before making any mention of his daughter.

I would seriously consider getting advice from somewhere other than here about what you might be able to do to help his daughter.

Lucyinthepie · 24/04/2011 09:29

I'm bumping this, wondering how Op is getting on. He's sure to get in touch to find out why she's cut contact.

adamschic · 24/04/2011 12:22

I suppose it's something that the DD is 16 and almost an adult, she can leave home if she feels abused, herself.

plupaschalrelief · 24/04/2011 18:44

She probably doesn't have the guts to go it alone, poor thing. No doubt she hasn't had the pocket money, or the expensive gifts to sell, either. Unlike her brother. Sad

aLegonEachCorner · 24/04/2011 19:01

Lucky escape there. Lucky, lucky escape.

TDada · 24/04/2011 20:07

I am really worried for his teenage daughter and the effects of his (emotional?) abuse. Control freak

TDada · 24/04/2011 20:10

please be very careful not to put the girl at risk. Might need professional advice on how to proceed.

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 24/04/2011 21:33

It probably is worth contacting Childline or the NSPCC or even your local council to ask what services they have for bullied or abused young people, and what advice they can offer you. For one thing, you sound a decent and sensitive person and I think this poor child will be seriously on your mind if you do nothing.

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