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"We should stay friends..."

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AprilRose · 17/04/2011 22:57

(sorry in advance, this turned out to be epicly long. You may need to pop the kettle on and put your feet up, it'll take a while to trawl through my ramblings!)

Why do guys say this? Especially when they clearly have no intentions on following it through!?

[Disclaimer: I'm tired and for some reason have turned into an irrationally whiny person who needs to off load a few things... Please hold back on the flaming; I just need a rant or a hug - rant seemed the easiest option!]

Long story short, I am the recently dumped. It wasn't a long term relationship, there are no DCs involved, it's really not that complicated. We met at school, briefly went out but it led to nothing more than friendship. After school I did the uni thing, then came back to the hometown and found a job. He did the forces thing, went up north-ish and as of a year and a bit ago was posted abroad (after becoming engaged. She later called it off - just a month after he moved overseas.)

Last July, after the whole Facebook craze brought us back into occasional contact, something twist-of-fate-ish happened; we started talking on MSN (yup; proper modern-age romance!) one Friday night and didn't end the conversation until Saturday morning. I still have no idea how we managed to fill 15 hours, but it was pretty obvious that something had clicked.

MSN turned into texts, turned into phone calls, turned into my booking plane tickets to go out and see him in the September. A real relationship had developed. I spent 4 days out there, he came back to the UK for a month (he stayed 2 weeks with me, then 2 weeks on a training course) I went back out there for NY. It wasn't ideal, but we had known that from the start. The wonder of Skype meant we were speaking almost every day. He sent me flowers at work, took me to the West End for a show and then to a fancy hotel, we got each other almost matching Xmas pressies. Everything was fairytale and wonderful. We were talking about going on holiday together at the end of April. I was secretly planning weddings and babies (but not in as creepy a way as that sounds - we had once or twice joked about 'when we're married' etc.)

Rather recklessly, I had fallen in love. Stupidly I told him this. Twice. That was when he started to go a bit quiet. He came back to the UK at the end of January, but what was originally meant to be a week with me turned into 'Oh, I can't get there until Thursday', so I changed my leave; no point being off for no reason.

So he arrived, eventually, spent 8 hours in my house, during which time we had sex twice. He was attentive and jokey, but a little quiet - he blamed it on a heavy night out the previous day and a long drive that morning. Then, after turning down dinner, he comes out with it - he wants to break up, he's thought about it and he doesn't think the long distance thing will work, wants to stop whilst we're still on good terms with one another. Maybe in 2 years, when he comes back to the UK things will be different. He was so nice and reasonable about the whole thing. Then he says the crucial thing 'I'll give you some space. Let me know when you don't hate me anymore, I really do want to stay friends.' To which I mumbled that I would never hate him (still true...) and that I'd get in touch.

The whole thing hurt... a lot... I sort of numbly accepted it at the time, spent 3 days crying and not eating, but eventually got to where I am now; understanding why he did it, but thinking he went about it in the shittiest of ways. Ridiculously, I still think about him. Like, every day. And I can't really talk to anyone about it because I don't want to be THAT girl who can't let go.

Anyhoo; we've 'spoken' briefly twice since then - one quick MSN conversation which was more my way of 'proving' to him that I was ok and ready to move on, and one tiny interchange of facebook comments, and that's been it. There's been nothing since the end of Feb.

Now, today was my birthday (26th). I had a wonderful day with my family and couldn't be more grateful for them, and for everything I have. And yet I've got back home and all I can think is that I'm upset/annoyed that he didn't bother sending a quick text or even dropping a wall post on facebook just to register the fact. That's what a friend would do, right?

So yeah... Why did he bother with saying 'let's be friends' and then almost total silence?

The real question probably ought to be why was I naive enough to believe we could return to friendship given how I felt about the whole thing? I've built so much up in my head simply out of the notion that we could be friends and then just maybe, in 2 years, he'll come back, take a post in the south, and we could start again, for real this time.

I know I need to move on, to forget all about him, and that I'm acting like a lovesick teenager who just got her heart broken! I just don't yet know how to be realistic about all this, especially as it's highlighted the fact that I am incredibly lonely, and hate living on my own/being single/etc.

Umm... the point of this thread... other than to release all the above from my mind, and to take up valuable pixels on your screens, was perhaps to seek a little reassurance that I can break out of this insufferable & angst-filled longing, and to see if anyone else had a romantic tragedy they needed to unload on sympathetic/empathetic ears... Let's all come together in a great unloading of romantic woe, in order to unburden ourselves, ready for that moment of clarity when we realise we're actually ok, and we don't need that arrogant git (or lady-git!)

OP posts:
bristolcities · 17/04/2011 23:20

I have had the exact same thing on and off for the last 5 years and always initiated and then finished by ex p for very little reason. Last time was 3 months ago and it does get any easier the second or third or forth Blush time around. But you know what the clarity has just come and it feels so good! Never again and I mean it this time Smile.

Isn't it a bugger when you can't actually blame it on any thing. Still no point in trying to make sense of it, some people are just buggers.

You've gotten over him once. you will again. Just learn from my mistake and try not to let it carry on for to long. And that is the reason 'being friends' is such a load of rubbish and NEVER works.

Good luck. xxx

Xales · 17/04/2011 23:21

Couldn't tell you he wanted out BEFORE he slept with you could he?!?!?!

Well you are nice and single can obviously pull men even if it is via msn Wink

You will get there and meet a much more deserving guy and have that wedding and children (you are mourning for them right now) and he will have a string of unimportant things and end up very lonely.

EggyFucker · 17/04/2011 23:23

You don't have to stay friends with a user like this

it isn't compulsory

if you want to tell him to fuck off, just do it

you don't owe him friendship, you owe him fuck-all

zikes · 17/04/2011 23:24

I think you should defriend him on FB and delete his number. You'll just be looking at his profile and torturing yourself else.

'Let's be friends' is just code for 'don't go round calling me an arsehole to everyone' imo. Smile

MadamDeathstare · 17/04/2011 23:29

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manticlimactic · 17/04/2011 23:53

He said 'Lets stay friends' to make him feel better for ditching you. Because he wasn't man enough to give you the real reason at his change of heart.

LOL at his maybe in 2 years comment. Like you'd come bounding back in two years. Did you tell him in 2 years you will have found a wonderful man by then? Wink

Don't feel an ounce of guilt if you don't want to be his friend. He's a knob.

AprilRose · 18/04/2011 00:13

Oh wow... it's a little unnerving how different everything seems when it's all written out. It's suddenly very obvious that he was being a complete arse on that last day; thinking of himself rather than me and getting in that last shag or two. And it's even more obvious that 'friends' is a place that we're not going to get back to.

Xales - I never thought of it as being in mourning for the future I had started imagining for myself. That makes so much sense to me; more than it just being a case of missing him, because although we spoke all the time, it wasn't like he was actually around...

MadamDeathstare - Sorry to hear about your experience, and thanks for the suggestion, I find I most often think about him when driving to and from work - a kind of autopilot thing; my mind wanders - so shall work on finding something else to put into my mind at those times. You're right, I do still have feelings for him, probably will for some time, which is all the more reason not to obsess over the friends issue.

Manticlimactic - Maybe if he'd been genuine about staying friends the 2 years time thing would have happened naturally, but I don't know if I could ever trust him again. I now know how much he could hurt me, and would be an absolute idiot to give him the chance to do it again. (Although if it ever did happen that we came face to face and he turned on the charms, someone might have to remind me of these words... Maybe I'll print them out to read on days when I think I miss him.)

Thanks to all of you for replying. I think in doing so you've just completely justified MN for me (as a non-mum, this place did scare me a little at first, but everyone's just so welcoming and supportive (and opinionated in all the right ways. Not that I'm brave enough to post in AIBU yet!))

OP posts:
KristinaM · 18/04/2011 00:21

He is a user. Please don't keep in touch with him

I understand you are upset, but I suspect you are mourning the hopes and dreams you had for the future, not the actual relationship you had with him

In reality you have only spent 3 weeks with him, is that right?

Please walk away from this and look for a good man who will treat youproperly

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 18/04/2011 00:37

OK, sometimes 'Let's stay friends' means 'I might want a shag now and again when there's no one else around'. Or it could mean 'I need to feed my ego by making sure that everyone I dumped still carries a torch for me, so I will throw them a crumb now and again'.
Or it could mean 'I am dumping you but using polite cliches because I feel it's less nasty than saying 'You are dumped, loser, and I never want to even think of you again.'
It does sound as though you were massively much much keener than he was, which doesn't make you a bad person but is something that puts some people off. The end result is: you don't need this person in your life and he doesn't want you in his, so draw a line and move on.

DontGoCurly · 18/04/2011 04:56

Hi OP. 'We should stay friends' is not actually meant to be taken literally. It's just a cliched, insincere phrase used by people splitting up. Usually used by the dumper to assuage their feelings of guilt in the misguided belief that it will soften the blow for the person being dumped.

Just go no contact with him. It will be easier for you.

He may want to string you along as a backup/ego boost/booty call etc but do not agree to that as it will not help you recover and move on.

Sorry about what happened.

thumbbunny · 18/04/2011 05:28

I do wish men wouldn't employ the "mercy fuck" when they break up with you, it's such a shitty thing to do!

My first ex dumped me 3m prior to our wedding (he ran off with his secretary, nice) and he wanted to stay friends Hmm - I asked him if he would want to be friends with someone who had kicked you in the guts and ripped your heart out? He said "well when you put it like that..." - after all the legalities and everything were sorted out I never spoke to him again. Saw him in Tesco 10 years later and hid!! Blush

The second bloke did the mercy fuck thing - so I stupidly thought that meant something (no) and clung on for a while. Idiot that I was.

But one bloke, who was a friend first, then we got together - when we split up we did stay friends. And still are, 10 years later. I even went to his wedding, with my DH (who wasn't a DH then). I think it helps if you are actually friends first - you like other things about the person than wanting to shag them - and that makes a difference (IM limited E)

Agree with those saying "let this one go" - who does he think he is, telling you he might pick you up again in 2y time?? Cheek of the arrogant bastard!

gawdonbennett · 18/04/2011 09:33

In all fairness to this bloke he was man enough to break up with you face to face. Read some of the other posts about people who are dumped by text.

granhands · 18/04/2011 12:39

I really really don't understand why a person would even think that you would want to be friends with them after they have treated you like crap.

It has only been said to me once and my answer was "no, I have enough friends I don't need any more".

It's a cop out, makes the person saying it feel that thay are a decent human being rather than something that crawled out from under a rock

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 18/04/2011 13:18

I have stayed friends with XPs in the past, but this really only works when there is a pretty much mutual agreement that while you think of each other as nice people, you do not want to be a couple. It doesn't work when one is still desperate for the couple-relationship to resume, end of.
Sometimes you can be friends with an XP after some time has passed, again if both you and XP are nice people, once the dumped partner has recovered from the dumping (because it hurts to be dumped even when it's done nicely and you are better off avoiding someone who dumped you when you are in the early stages of getting over them).

tigercametotea · 21/04/2011 22:21

Hope you're feeling a bit better now. Its unfortunate you had to go through this. Really not your fault. There have been lots of wise words from the previous posters... As for that guy, he just doesn't want commitment. Who knows exactly why? Maybe he's a commitment-phobe, maybe he's just a player, a user, or maybe he's just not ready for commitment right now, or maybe he does want commitment, but not with you. In any case, it sounds like this was never meant to be anything other than a short intense fling (in his mind at least). You know, if you had stuck together longer, it may well have turned sour eventually with time and you might realise he is just not all that after all.

But I do kind of agree with gawdonbennett that at least he's had the decency to break the news to you in person, it could have been worse. If you ever see him again, act normal but only as if he was just an acquaintance you don't really care about that much, don't let on that he's really done some serious damage to you before. Be strong. He's not worth it.

atswimtwolengths · 22/04/2011 14:13

I can't believe people say he had the decency to break the news to her in person. Yes, he did, after having sex with her twice! He obviously knew when he arrived that day that he was going to dump her. He knew after he came the first time, too. Then he had another go, just to cheer himself up. And yes, 'let's stay friends' often means 'don't tell people what I'm really like.'

What a pig. Get yourself out of the house and keep busy. Block him and delete his phone number. Delete all his emails. Looking back at them will never make you happy.

memorylapse · 22/04/2011 14:22

Its a sad cliche for.."hopefully things wont get nasty..ie you will go round telling everyone what a twunt I am"

tbh if he gets in touch again I would be tempted to say "Sorry I was on heavy medication between Summer 2010 and early spring this year..who the f**k are you?

He doesnt want commitment by the sounds of it.delete him from facebook and get rid of his number..you need to sever the attachment so you can move on and meet the man who deserves your love and will hopefully fulfill the dreams of family/marriage etc for you..which this other guy clearly couldnt

tigercametotea · 22/04/2011 22:18

tbh if he gets in touch again I would be tempted to say "Sorry I was on heavy medication between Summer 2010 and early spring this year..who the fk are you?

LOL Good one :)

manticlimactic · 22/04/2011 23:02

I'm making a note of that one! brilliant. Grin

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