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Why women really do love self-obsessed psychopaths

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skil · 13/04/2011 19:51

So, before complaining that your DP is a selfish deceitful narcissist, remember that you love him because of those traits, not despite them:

www.independent.co.uk/news/science/why-women-really-do-love-selfobsessed-psychopaths-850007.html

Bad boys, it seems, really do get all the girls. Women might claim they want caring, thoughtful types but scientists have discovered what they really want ? self-obsessed, lying psychopaths.

A study has found that men with the "dark triad" of traits ? narcissism, thrill- seeking and deceitfulness ? are likely to have a larger number of sexual affairs.

Peter Jonason, of New Mexico University in Las Cruces, believes that these traits may have an innate, genetic component that explains why some men seem unable to stop themselves behaving badly.

The dark triad of traits are the self-obsession of narcissism, the impulsive, thrill-seeking and callous behaviour of psychopaths and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism. "We have some evidence these traits may represent a successful evolutionary strategy," Dr Jonason told New Scientist magazine.

Many famous men ? from James Dean to Pete Doherty ? could be said to show elements of the dark triad of traits, but perhaps the best fictional example is James Bond. "He's clearly disagreeable, very extrovert and likes trying new things ? including killing people and new women," Dr Jonason said.

The study subjected 200 college students to personality tests designed to rank them in terms of the dark triad. They were also asked about their sexual relationships, including their attitude towards brief affairs.

Dr Jonason said those with the highest rating in terms of the dark triad tended to have more partners and a greater desire for short-term affairs.

The dark triad approach is one way of maximising a man's reproductive potential by having sex with many females, while not bothering to stick around to help with the children. "The strategy seems to have worked. We still have these traits," Dr Jonason said.

David Schmitt, of Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois, surveyed 35,000 people in 57 countries and found a similar link. "It is universal across cultures," he said.

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BelleBelicious · 13/04/2011 19:54

Dr Jonason can shove his study up his arse

cabbageroses · 13/04/2011 19:55

This is not new- was it in the Indy today are have you googled?

That Jonason stuff has been around before - unless he has pinched it and re-written it.

It comes down to women prefering alpha males.

stone age stuff :)

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 19:56

eh? wtf? where did they get 'women love them' from? They've demonstrated those men have a large number of affairs. Not surprisingly, if they are thrill-seeking and deceitful. But where is the evidence women love them?

keynesian · 13/04/2011 19:57

I suspect Dr. Jonason is confusing causation with correlation...

cabbageroses · 13/04/2011 19:58

curous skil- why post now? That Indy feature- just checked- is now almost 3 years old!

MitchiestInge · 13/04/2011 19:58

and confusing lust with love

cannot think of better word for 'would like to shag' that begins with L

garlicbutter · 13/04/2011 20:04

Doctor Thing should know better than to base a theory on a sample of 200 students, FFS.

men with the "dark triad" of traits ? narcissism, thrill- seeking and deceitfulness ? are likely to have a larger number of sexual affairs.

Er ... well, of course they are! Being in need of narcissistic supply, thrills, and people to deceive, they go looking for a large number of sexual affairs. Doesn't mean women like them.

It appears Doctor Thing considers a student who has a lot of sexual affrairs to be the apex of male glory Grin Twat.

merrywidow · 13/04/2011 20:09

utter bollocks; and Dr Jonason got paid to carry out that shite study

cabbageroses · 13/04/2011 20:10

But garlic- some women must vaguely like them or they wouldn't be getting into bed with them!

cabbageroses · 13/04/2011 20:13

Maybe this is typical journalsim, not telling the whole/true picture - there is lots out there about "dark triad" men- i think Marie Claire did a feature a year or two back on the same.

Basically, it's saying that charming , self confident, self-centred men pull more often than shy beta types, and can mess women about , generally.

As detailed often on MN.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 20:13

it doesn't mean they like them because of those traits though.
one of the traits is 'deceitful' - which would suggest they are good at deceiving people about their real nature.
If they were narcissistic, impulsive, thrill-seeking and completely honest it might be a bit more convincing.

cabbageroses · 13/04/2011 20:14

well they like them for as long as it takes to be chatted up, wined, dined and fucked.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 20:15

also, if they pull more often, it might be because they get dumped sooner than nice men, so they find themselves out on the pull sooner because no woman will put up with them for more than a fortnight.

whereas the nice men have fewer sexual partners because they don't need as many because each one lasts longer.

MitchiestInge · 13/04/2011 20:22

Hate to let the side down but can't be the only one who is more drawn to this sort of man, sexually, than say a right on Guardian reading type? Even if neither extreme appeal longer term.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 20:32

I think powerful men are attractive. They don't have to be an arsehole though, in fact that's kind of off-putting....
I don't argue with the idea that women like alpha males but people sometimes seem to take all kinds of nasty behaviour and count it as 'alpha' when really it's not.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 20:34

confidence is sexy, narcissism isn't. Though I can see how one might easily mistake narcissism for confidence.

BelleBelicious · 13/04/2011 20:36

Never, ever been attracted to 'bad boys'. Don't get it. They are always just that, boys.

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 13/04/2011 20:38

IKWYM Belle. It comes across as immaturity which is deeply unsexy.

BlessedAssuranceJesusroseagain · 13/04/2011 20:38

good for him and his studies, i have never ever wanted one of those.

BlessedAssuranceJesusroseagain · 13/04/2011 20:40

exactly belle , they are just boys, and i don't get it, whats so attracting about a self obsessed wanker?

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