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Does he like me? I can't tell! Online convo.

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plinkduet · 11/04/2011 19:08

There is a family friend that I 'talk' to effectively every night on Facebook. He's the same age as me - early 40s.
We are both single, he left a 16 year relationship two years ago,
I left an 8 year relationship also two years ago.
I have two children under 4, he has none.
Neither of us have ever married.
I have only met him twice at family events, barely saying a word to eachother (shy).

Online conversation in thatmdium can be very delicate, sometimes every nuance can be perceived as having several contexts. Although we are both articulate, I seem to reach a dead end regularly if I become too intimate.

For example, if we're having a conversation about, say favourite foods, and he will say 'I have a thing for Bloggs', later that night he will sign out by saying goodbye to me and calling me Bloggs. Thus suggesting he 'has a thing' for me, yes? he does this all the time.

There is light flirting, but only ever in a conversation where others are present, we never flirt in conversations between just ourselves.

When I read conversations between him and other people- usually my sister- he alludes to me a lot by saying things like, 'plinkduet would know', or 'that's the sort of thing plinkduet likes'. Does that mean I'm on his mind?

He met my mum in town once and she seemed to think he was very protective of me and had a lot of respect for me.

I sent him a Valentine card this year, not really anonymous, unfortunately it went to his old house where his ex of 16 years lived so she got to see it when he collected his mail, but he just shrugged it off and said she wasnt offended. He was jovial in tone online, in private messages I think I had a gentle rejection, as he said he was 'unnattainable' at present as he was still getting over teh guilt of leaving his ex. But he didnt directly say unnattainable to me, but in reference to the number of women that chase him on facebook!

The house he shared with his ex has recently sold, he has moved into his own apartment now and she has ambitions to move a couple of hundred miles away. From what I can gather, they are the best of friends, she is still seen socially and taken for expensive brithday treats, as he's happy to declare all this on facebook quite openly.

I am starting to think about him all the time, yet I've only ever met him twice! I know how odd online conversation can be as I met my theildren's father after 3 months of intense talk in a chatroom.
We seem to have a silly amount in common interest wise, are both eligible, of course he is beautiful, but it's driving me a little nuts now.

I know logistically 'dating' would be difficult as I dont work and have both children home with constantly apart from 3 hours a day the eldest is at nursery, although she starts school in September. He is self-employed though so could be flexible on time. There would be no spontaneity would there, because babysitters always neccessary. Having to take the children everywhere with us isnt ideal at the start of a relationship.

His ex has two grown up children so I' assuming they all lived as a family for at least a couple of years, but she chose not to have further children.

How can you tell if someone's interested or not? I dont want to ask directly as I do enjoy talking with someone who shares the same interests and a direct rejection would floor me, I just know.

Deep down, I think I know it's just a case of having lots in common with someone, and I'm prepared to sit tight until he might see me in a different light. But if someone seems to talk to you most out of everyone, refers to you in your absence, and sometimes indulges in flirting, doesnt that mean thery like youust a little bit?

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Reality · 11/04/2011 19:10

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madonnawhore · 11/04/2011 19:13

I think if he didn't do anything after the Valentines card and then mentioned being 'unattainable', then maybe he's not that interested.

Not a great sign that he's so involved with his ex still either.

Unattainable sounds about right. But that's not to say you shouldn't play the long game. Once ex is out of the picture, perhaps he'll feel a bit freer.

Hassled · 11/04/2011 19:13

Reality speaks sense :o.

If you were going to look up "over-thinking" in a dictionary you'd find your post. Honest to God, just ask the man if he's into you. And get off bloody FB and into the real world - meet him in a pub or something.

LittleHouseByTheRiver · 11/04/2011 19:21

Hi plink
I have been chatting to a man online for six weeks (email and Skype). I have never met him face to face but we have become good friends. I hope to meet him in person in about six weeks and I am very excited about it.

What I decided early on was that there was nothing to lose and everything to gain by being totally straight with him. If I disagree with him I say so. If I want to know what he thinks I ask him. If I have had a bad day I tell him about it.
In some ways it is more honest than a face to face relationship where shyness or sexual attraction would get in the way.

He has been very clear on what he wants from a partner/girlfriend/lover and it makes things much easier to deal with. I am trying to be as clear as he is, but I am not long out of a long marriage and feeling a bit battered so intend to take things very slowly.

I think you should be brave. What is the worst that could happen if you are frank about how you feel? Either he reciprocates and agrees to meet to discuss taking things further or he responds by saying he is not ready for a relationship and you have to decide whether to wait for him or cut your losses.

Good luck!

plinkduet · 11/04/2011 19:32

I guess that's it littlehouse, I'm too scared to ask him, as then I'd be so mortified at a rejection I just know I wouldnt bring myself to talk to him online ever again, and because we seem to have 99% of things in common it could all ruin a potentially good friendship :(

His ex seems to be his best friend, I just dont think he has room in his heart yet for another woman, it being only two years out of a 16 year relationship. I know how that must feel as my partners have also always been my sole best friend. I guess now having no partner/no best friend just means I am very lonely.

But my goodness he is so beautiful, so lovely, such a gentleman, everyone speaks well of him, my highly intuitive family approve of him, everyone tells me we are so well suited. Even some of his own online friends say in conversation we are so suited.

I couldnt bear losing him as a friend, so I think my own answer is to just forget about contemplating him as a lover. And yes you are right I need to get him alone outside of facebook, but it just never seems to logisitcally work out that way.

I think I'm just fantasising really, aren't I? There was such a sad thread on here a short while ago about a woman who was overthinking a friendship with a new man, lots reminded me of myself, I guess I need to learn from that thread.

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TheyKnowEsperanto · 11/04/2011 19:52

Awwww plinkduet I think you just answered your own thread with your last post. It's tough being at home with two (even if it's only one for 3 hours a day). Does your ex do any of his share of childcare?

You sound lovely - but yes - it sounds like a nice fantasy but I think you've given him enough opportunity to respond and he has already given you a gentle no with the unattainable comment and he could have responded to the Valentines card.

Also just a point re how you met your ex - I am sure he is a nice chap but the way in which you are speaking to him (online chat) might be partially responsible for drawing your emotions in because it is reminiscent of your last relationship? Just a suggestion.

pink4ever · 11/04/2011 20:10

Sorry but have to be harsh here-hes just not that into you. He knows you want more(from the valentine) and he told you then that he wasnt interested. He just likes flirting with you online because its good for his ego. Stop living through facebook/chatrooms and get out into the real world.

fallingandlaughing · 11/04/2011 21:15

If a man tells you he is unattainable, listen to him. All the other stuff is nice, but not relevant.

At least you know what you are looking for, now you can go out and find someone with some similar qualities, but who wants a relationship with you.

plinkduet · 11/04/2011 21:49

I know it's all a big fiction in my head, just needed some confirmation of that. Never known anyone so well suited to me though, it's just bizarre. It' so very odd having someone barely met you in real life, yet they know how you think, what you like and so on.

I'm not interested in dating anyone else, quality over quantity.
Perhaps he'll see me in a different light one day. Perhaps the point of meeting him was to help ease me out of the cobwebs of my own past relationship and show me there are genuine, respectful men out there, as that last relationship was torturous.

Just wanted to feel like a woman again instead of a 24/7 mummy. I'll give up the ghost from tonight, what an idiot I have been thinking there is anything there.

Thanks ladies

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LittleHouseByTheRiver · 11/04/2011 22:40

I don't think you need to give up totally plink, you might accept that he is "unattainable" because he is not yet ready for a new relationship, but equally you are tied by your babies and not free to pursue a normal social life either. It may be that a fantasy boyfriend you talk to online is helpful for you at the moment if you can accept it for what it is without getting upset and wanting more.

If you can't settle for that then you should tell him what your needs are are let him decide whether he wants to meet them.

But don't let the friendship make you feel bad about yourself and not good enough. That would not help you. You sound like a lovely person and you deserve to be happy.

YouaretooniceNOT · 11/04/2011 22:45

I do not think he is interested. I think if he is driving you a little nuts then you are becoming too dependent on the friendship. You having fantasies about what might happen is just that fantasy. he might find you attractive and want sex with you - men will ...

He has told you rather clearly he is unobtainable a man that is interested in a woman would never risk blowing his chances by sayig that. He isn't ready yet. I would cool the friendship now before he uses you you get badly hurt.

YouaretooniceNOT · 11/04/2011 22:47

His ex and he might get back together too..if they aren;t already trying..giving it time. Protect your heart.

bbird1 · 11/04/2011 23:13

just ask him if he fancies going out for pints some time. if he says no, you know for sure he isnt interested, saves all this messing around

TheyKnowEsperanto · 11/04/2011 23:26

You're not an idiot at all! I think chancing your arm in this way (opening up a little to someone) is a very good barometer of how you're feeling and particularly how emotionally robust you are feeling. I suppose I am saying if you had a tough end to tough relationship it sounds like you've come out the other side. I've always felt that between a good relationship and a bad relationship there often turns out to be a relationship in between which involves you working out what you want and it doesn't really matter if you and him have been officially 'dating' or not - you've been having a lovely crush from a distance that has put a bit of a spring breeze in your step - so harness that! Like you said you've felt a bit more you and less 24/7 mummy and that's a good thing. I always like to have a 'crush' going on if I'm single. Just makes life a little less boring.

dearyme · 12/04/2011 10:04

just say you have spare tickets for xy or z and would he like to join you

that way doesnt look like a date as such

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