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ANOTHER MIL Problem! Please help!

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BabyBorn · 02/04/2011 11:40

MIL threads getting quite tiresome on the relationships section arnt they! I feel that this is a really important one and has been affecting my marriage considerably and would be very thankful for any advice. I am 26 and DH is 45.

Long, but here goes.

When we first starting seeing eachother, i asked him (like you do!) why he had split up with his ex wife. He told me that it was because she was jelous of his mother! I did think it was strange, but as it was such early days, i didnt ask about it again. (I later found out as well as his ex wife not getting on with mother in law, she ran off with an other man, which he didnt tell me at this point!) So i was made to believe that EX wife was weirdly jelous of mother in law.Hmm

MY DH split up from his EX wife before i met him, MIL used to come to his house and do all his cleaning, washing,shopping, ironing and cooking. He used to go around to hers to have his main meal every day, although i didnt realise this when i first met him! He didnt use to tell me much about where he was going etc, and everytime i rang him he would say he has just popped into his mums. I did think it was odd at the time, but thought he must have been bored shitless without much of a life of his own, so went over there so often. He also has a son, who was 13 at the time, so thought he used to take him over there to stay at his nans.We only used to see each other at weekends to start with for 5 months of our relationship. I stayed at his for a few days five months into seeing him and he rang me after leaving for work and said, my mum might turn up sometime today, i thought wtf, if he knew i was at his alone, then why would he allow his mother to just turn up! I had never met her, and would be alone when she turned up! When she came over, i didnt know what to expect and was pretty nervous and felt abit awkward, she came in and started doing his housework downstairs! She came up stairs and started sorting is laundry in the laundry basket, turned to me and said, oh hello! She then started moaning about DH and saying how messy he was etc, and then started talking about his ex wife, what a bitch she was and what had happened in their relationship! I was a little gob smacked to say the least! Me and DH had spoken much about his ex wife, so i didnt expect a full life history! It was a very awkward situation, and wish the ground would swallow me up! She was very cold and calculating, and it was all pretty much about her. When she left, she didnt even say goodbye! Very rude and arrogant.

I continued to live on my own and DH used to come over to my place. During this time mother in law asked us to come around to hers for tea, which we did, she was again rude and arrogant, didnt make me feel welcome, and waited for DH to go out of the room to drop something nasty in, or starting to talk about his ex, or slagging off DH! She also commented on the fact that i never came over to see her and started sulking just before we left, and tried to keep us there longer. As we went out of the door and got in the car, DH was first in the car, and shut the door quickly, i then turned to look at her to say good bye, and she blatantly looked away and ignored me!

Fast forward 5 months and DH asks me to marry him, i said yes,, but dont make any immediate plans to marry or anything like that, we just got on with our lives. Dh at some point mentioned it to SS and he goes back and tells MIL. One day after this,we had arranged to take SS out for the day, he was at MIL's so we went and picked him up. We were travelling about 1.5 hours away and set off early to miss the traffic. DH got out of the car and went into MIL'S house to get SS. I waited in the car. Next minute MIL comes out, and starts yanking at the handle of my door (it was locked, its was an automatic safety thing that DH's car used to do) After her nearly taking the handle off, i opened the door from the inside, and she starts shouting and bawling! She asks if me and DH are engaged, i said we were, then she starts to go off on one, swearing, and slams the car door and walks off!) I was really upset, and told DH when he got back to the car, didnt want to say too much as SS was in the car, so waited until we got home to discuss it. DH wasnt very pleased and went to hers the next day to speak to her about it. During all of this time she is ringing DH up about 10 times a day, every day!

We went out for DH's sons birthday, and DH and i were trying to explain to her how built in wardrobes worked (MIL asked the question) When i was talking, she told me to SHUT UP! I was again gobsmacked, and went outside for 5 minutes (we were waiting for food) for a cigarette to clam down.

She repeated this last year, we again went out for SS birthday and she made a big scene in the restaraunt. She told my DD " Your mothers off her head" I was fuming! I thought she ment i was drunk or something, but why the hell would you say something like that to a 4 year old!! We were leaving the restaraunt at that point, and think thats why she was getting nasty. (We had to leave around 15 minutes earlier than the rest of the guests DH and meyself were hand feeding a sick cockatiel, and he was due his feed. She then marched out of the place after us and started ranting and raving on about " what she really thought" and i did say something nasty to her, that i thought she deserved at that point. I rang her up when i got home, apologised and told her how she had made me feel, she told me that she wasnt going to change for anyone, i explained that she had made me feel uncomfortable since the day i had met her, and found her tone and attitude towards me quite vile and upsetting. I said that i had never recieved such ill treatment from any one of my family members, and didnt see how her and i could have a relationship if this is the way she was going to make me feel.

One summer, we decided to have a BBQ, just close friends, have some food, few drinks etc and i asked DH to ask SS if he wanted to come. He rang SS and asked him, she said he would be here for the BBQ, mother in law was in the background, says, oh you know i go for a walk in the park on a sunday! So i wont be coming! I thought to myself, thank god for that! We werent inviting you anyway! Later on in the afternoon she turns up! All nice as pie! My friends hadnt met her before, but had heard from me what she was like and the problems we had been having.

Christmas 2010 came and we invited her over here, in the weeks closing in on christmas i started getting very panicky and anxious about her coming over! This continued, and i didnt feel strong enough to beable to deal with it, so a week before xmas day i asked DH to ask her if we could possibly have dinner at hers as i wasnt sure i could spend the full day with her here, was nervous and not feeling myself. I was dreading every single second of it, and was worrying about her kicking off about something. DH didnt find it a problem, he asked her. Dont know what her reaction was as DH doesnt tell me these things, and we go to her for dinner! My brother ended up coming too, so she was extra nice! This had been the first time in many she had acted in this way! I was assuming it was because my brother was there!

New years day, she just turns up, unexpected, while we are pottering around the house in our PJ'S with a hangover. She comes in and starts looking around the place (she always does this) In this time she makes a mistake with her words and i friendly try to tell her i know what she ment etc (she said she tried to get on to her emails on ebay, when she ment Orange) i laughed friendly and said " ohhh it would be a bit diffiullt to get onto your emails on ebay, but i know what you mean) She then said " i didnt mean that" and muttered STUPID BITCH under her breath!!!!!! At this point, i felt like grabbing her by the throat and throwing her out of the door! I ignored her, but went apeshit when she left and told DH. She of course did all this with his back turned! He was on the PC in the kitchen with his back to her and me and her were stood in the kitchen.

A few weeks after this, she rings me up SS has by this time lived with MIL for 3 years. He had been in trouble with school. I already knew as SS had phoned and told me about half an hour before she rings, she asks when DH will be home, we discuss what happened at school with SS and i tell her to keep ring DH or leave a message and he would get back to her. I tried to ring DH at this time also and she slags me off to SS saying I am making it DIFFICULT for HER to get hold of DH!! DH was 200 miles away working?!! She also called me a few names. I try to ring her back to let her know i cant get hold of DH either, and that she should still keep trying but SS answers the phone and says, what have u said to upset nan, she has said x, y and z about you and i thought you had said something! Well at this point i loose my rag, i didnt even want to talk to the bitch and i stupidly text her, and basically said, i know what youve said about me, all i was trying to do was help you, why are you so nasty? I cant put up with this, i know youve never liked me, so that suits me fine, i dont want anything to do with you from now on. She tried to ring me, but i ignore the phone. I havnt spoken to her since! My life has been so much peaceful without her in it! I have been far less panicky and anxious and no longer feel like i am walking on egg shells!

A month or so after this i speak to DH's sister about it and she agrees that shes out of order, shes very hard to get on with, and that she still talks to her like shit these days and she is nearly 50! She told me, i didnt have to have a relationship with my MIL. I had already made that decsion anyway from the last time she had talked behind my back and been so vile when all i was trying to do was bloody help her.

I have not spoken to her for 1 year and 2 months now. Me and DH have been together for 4 years.

Since all of this... there is plenty more i have left out, mine and DH's relationship and marriage has struggled, he hates the fact me and MIL are not talking, and recently it was arranged for us to go away with my mum and dad, abroad with DD, he has now said he is not going, as i dont speak to his mum! So it seems he is punishing us all, because of his mother and her actions! I have explained to him that his mothers actions and what came out of her mouth was out of my control, and i really feel that i can not have a relationship with this woman as nothing will ever change. She had made that quite clear to me before now. My parnets live 150 miles away and i see them once every 2 months if i am lucky.

There is another factor that i am desperate for a child, and recently found out i have PCOS. I had said to DH if i did get pregnant i would consider speaking to her again when the child was born. I would not let the impact of the stress she causes to affect my fertility any further and would worry she put me through so much stress during a pregnancy for a very much wanted child.

She has bullied me and made me feel like a nervous little girl. I took her shit for soo long that i am terrified of the thought of having any sort of relationship with her anytime soon.

I am so stuck as to what to do, this woman is so unreasonable its unhealthy.

Another big thing was she told me she might have cancer! I asked DH about it and he knew nothing about it, and to this day she still hasnt told him! She is so attention seeking and EVERYTHING has to be about her.

Sorry if ive waffled or made things unclear!

I need help here!

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Xales · 02/04/2011 11:59

Tell your DH it is a shame he is not coming on holiday with you all and that you will all miss him. Don't discuss/argue about it and further, go and enjoy it.

Tell your parents that your DH is being a sulking dick if he doesn't bother coming for the holiday and the rest of you still enjoy it.

Personally I wouldn't let her back into your life however if you do then you have to stand your ground and every time she makes an under the breath comment or says something rude pull her up on it loudly enough for everyone to hear. 'I am sorry what did you say I didn't quite catch it?' or 'Did you really mean to say such a rude, spiteful thing? I am sure you didn't but if you did, do not talk to me like that again or I will leave/you will be leaving my house and my DC with me'.

it will be tough going but she is a bully and bullies you because you have the good grace to not react.

I'm afraid your H sounds like a mummys boy. I don't know if you can fix this but good luck.

Xales · 02/04/2011 12:02

I would also ask him why the common factor in his first marriage failing (no idea but can imagine his ex running off with another was partly due to his attitude of mommy dearest comes first) and that since you have not accepted the nasty shite from his mom yours is failing.

See if he can make his first marriage all your fault too.

BabyBorn · 02/04/2011 12:03

Forgot to mention that i am actively TTC at the moment, but when i spoke to DH to ask him if he wanted to try to another baby, initially he was very against it, couldnt give me an specific reasons why not, but im sure its got to do with the whole me and MIL not speaking. DH is a very quiet man and doesnt like confrontation. He buries his head in the sand alot of the time, and never dares to stand up to mother in law. He has done a few times, but they have never been serious laying it down on the line type discussions, just "can you leave it now mum" then acts like nothing has happened.

The stress of it all is putting a huge every day strain on our relationship.

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Xales · 02/04/2011 12:06

Stop TTC.

The stress, his attitude and his mother are going to kill your relationship dead unless you just quietly go along with it all which will fill you with resentment, lead your children to thinking mummy is a 2nd class citizen and then killing your relationship.

Don't inflict that on another child Sad.

BabyBorn · 02/04/2011 12:11

Thanks for replying xales I also wanted to pull her up on many things she said, but out of dread on how she would react i put it off. Shes very good and spinning things to make it somebody elses fault. Didnt want to make it look like it was ME that was causing trouble or reacting badly, or "taking it the wrong way"!

He still claims that it was the reason his EX Wife left as she was jelous of his mother, but everything i know about her suggests that MIL is just like this. She will bully, and stick her nose in.

We ended up getting married abroad and took DD and SS. DH went and told her the news and apparently she was very upset she couldnt be there, but wonder if she said that before or after she had asked him if he was doing the right thing by marrying him. DH told me this, im not sure EXACTLY what was said as i wasnt there. He usually always sticks up for her, or makes excuses for her behaviour. He said to me yesterday that no shes not perfect, and she does say things she shouldnt.....but she does this EVERYTIME i see her. She just horrid!

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BabyBorn · 02/04/2011 12:14

We ended up getting married abroad and took DD and SS. DH went and told her the news and apparently she was very upset she couldnt be there, but wonder if she said that before or after she had asked him if he was doing the right thing by marrying ME!

Typo, sorry

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BabyBorn · 02/04/2011 12:19

I am pretty desperate for another child, i suppose MIL is someone ive had to consider, as the child will be her grandchild. My DD is not (thank fully)

Wanting a baby is taking over my life. I would be prepared to go it alone if i fell pregnant and i really felt that it was working between DH and i. It could be my last chance to have another, as im seriously not keen on waiting another 5 years or so if fertility is on my side.

I know she isnt going to change, and that is the most fustrating thing. DH has told me that she hasnt ALWAYS been like she is! He would say that though wouldnt he!

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Xales · 02/04/2011 12:37

Tough choices for you to make.

Perhaps give her a trial 3 months? Tell your DH you will pull her up on every single remark and not accept anything as you do not expect to be treated this way. Lay it on the line really thickly that you will try but she had better well too. Get your H to inform her. I would say ask him to support you and tell her this but don't see that happening.

Once the 3 months are up if she has behaved continue but you will have to keep on top of any comment. She obviously is not embarrassed to say them don't be embarrassed to let her and everyone else know you will not accept them.

If she doesn't you will have tried in the eyes of your H.

Will he come to councelling with you? His relationship with his mother is unhealthy to say the least if it is wrecking his marriages!

If you are fully prepared that you may have to end up going it alone then go for it and good luck.

If you do separate you need to think carefully about who is going to end up looking after any new child on your H contact weekends and what vile crap that person will be saying and your H not refuting.

Also I assume she and your H would not want your DD there as she is definitely 'nothing to do with MIL'. Damn hope that makes sense.

BabyBorn · 02/04/2011 12:55

DD would always stay with me, her father doesnt see her, DH has been there since she was 2, but she knows he isnt her father, and she doesnt call him dad either. She knows who her father is, but since getting married and living 40 minutes away, and being a complete arse, i havnt heard from him since last May! I wouldnt expect MIL to have any contact with DD.

I am hoping i can actually concieve, so anything that happens in the future i will have to deal with i suppose. Im hoping i can look at this more clearly after i have under gone more tests to see if i am actually ovulating and fertile. But i fully understand what you are saying. I feel like im looking through fog at the moment and nothing else matters apart from whether or not i can have another child. I have only literally last week found out i have PCOS, so its very raw and fresh.

The Ex wife has rang him up drunk many times before now, slagging him off, giving him shit etc etc ( she hasnt seen SS for 2 years!) and i heard her say once, "let your mother wreck another relationship then!"

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BabyBorn · 02/04/2011 12:56

Actually trying to get DH to speak about anything is like trying to draw blood from a stone! I am going to have to try AGAIN! Hes at work at the moment, so will start on him once DD is in bed. I am fed up with it all now.

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Xales · 02/04/2011 13:03

I will keep my fingers crossed for your tests I didn't realise it was so fresh and raw for you.

Try coming from a different way tonight. Get DD into bed or settled.

Make a nice dinner for the pair of you, sit down together. Have a nice chat and time together. Tell him how much you love him and want a long life with him, children etc.

Tell him you are scared you are losing all this and ask him to come with you to councelling to see what you can do.

Don't blame him for anything and make him defensive just tell him how sad it is making you.

If he says no when you have laid your cards then don't expect him to change when you are pregnant, or MIL and he insist she has a right to see the baby because he will be telling you clearly he won't.

BabyBorn · 02/04/2011 13:07

Thanks alot for the advice, i will do just that! I will let you know what happens.

Thanks again xales

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snailsandwich · 02/04/2011 14:12

OMG, and I and thought my MIL was a case!

I feel very sorry for you, your DH and his SS - she's obviously planning to dominate SS's life too. I'm guessing that your MIL got SS on 'her' side and his mum is very bitter about it.

I try to keep my MIL at arm's length. Her other DIL says to me "I just say no to her now, wish I had done it years ago!" All those years of putting up with MIL crap wasted....

Good luck, at 26 you have time on your side!

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