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26 replies

SavannahRose · 12/03/2011 15:44

Posted this on the pregnancy thread to but wondered what you ladies thought...

I am currently 27 weeks preg with no2 by another of 2 yrs.

He has given me an ultimatum by saying i either sign a contract saying if we ever split he gets full custody of our baby or he leaves now and has nothing to do with her

He has made it quite clear by his comments that he really isnt in this for me and i feel so alone as i have lost all of my friends and feel i cant talk to my family as were not that close.

I would never let anyone take my children away and would do anything for them.

We had a big row about this and he left the house this morning at 7 and i have no idea where he is as ive not heard anything.

I just dont know what to do

:(

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 12/03/2011 15:47

Let him leave and have nothing to do with you. I'm guessing he helped you lose all your friends?

TheMonster · 12/03/2011 15:47

Something like that would never be legally binding.

MotherNight · 12/03/2011 15:49

Don't sign it.
Is there anyone at all in rl you can reach out to?

Doha · 12/03/2011 15:50

Do NOT sign anything,

What kind of a man would issue with an ultimatum like that Shock
If you have any luck he wont come back tonight or ever for that matter

It actually sounds as if he is planning your split and just wants your DC's

This is emotional abuse

What has prompted him to make these demands of you?

tribpot · 12/03/2011 15:51

I'm sorry ... WHAT? I'm assuming (although it seems almost impossible to believe) you aren't the same poster whose 'D'H wanted a post-nuptial agreement to the effect if she ever cheated he got custody and she relinquished any claims to the marital finances ... are there really two men out there so utterly deluded?

I don't know if you're married or not but from the other thread, there is no way such an agreement would have legal force even if you did sign it. Which of course you would not.

I'm sorry, I don't see any choices in this for you. Sign it and (supposing it had legal force) be shackled to this guy for 18 years? Whatever he chooses to do? Don't sign it and end up with a residency agreement which is much closer to what the law would afford you even if you did sign it? He's not exactly negotiating from a position of strength - not that anyone human would actually negotiate on something like this.

What could you possibly do? I'm sorry, but perhaps in some ways it's better that this man is giving you a choice of one option. :( Not what you need right now, though.

chocaholic73 · 12/03/2011 15:52

erm ... no remotely half decent person would say this. You say you would never let anyone take your children away so there's your answer. Why have you lost your friends? Is that down to him too? I don't mean to sound harsh but if this guy is for real you are going to be far better off without him

SavannahRose · 12/03/2011 15:52

I have no idea....i have never done anything wrong to him EVER. But love him and give him everything the guy doesnt have to do anything. All day i have been sat at home crying with every kick i get from my baby. MotherNight what is rl?
I have never felt so alone

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dittany · 12/03/2011 15:54

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SavannahRose · 12/03/2011 15:55

I lost all my friends as he said they were no good for me and that i am better off with out them. He is always calling to see where i am and if im out with a friend it would cause tension and arguments which i decided (wrongly) that it wasnt worth it so left them.
BIGGEST mistake ive ever made

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summerfruitsalad · 12/03/2011 15:56

What a plank, he doesn't deserve you, how can he give you an ultimatum like that?

How has your relationship been recently?

SavannahRose · 12/03/2011 15:56

And thats not the start of it. He also accussed me of cheating demanding a DNA then 5 mins later told me about this contract THEN tells me i dont understand him. Who would?

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lazarusb · 12/03/2011 16:03

He is controlling and this is just the next part in his game. Knowing you are upset and scared makes him feel big and strong. He wants your world to consist of nothing but him, even if you split.
Tell him if he wants to go he can go. Your child needs you to stand up for yourself. He will do the same to them as they are growing up.

He is abusing you Savannah. You are worth more than this. Get angry. Then get out.

LittleMissHissyFit · 12/03/2011 17:24

SavannahRose: I don't know if you hang around Mumsnet much, but let me tell you it's not often I could accuse dittany of understatement Shock Grin

This guy has completely taken over your life! What, out of interest, did he tell you to stay away from your family?

Do you see any other red flags HERE?

He will not stop until you literally cease to exist, he will suck the life blood from you, and then if he hasn't already, he'll start to hit you, cheat on you and all the while blaming you for it.

Run (well waddle) for the hills dear girl! Grin

MigratingCoconuts · 12/03/2011 17:51

contact woman's aid for advice as this is controlling and abusive.

They will help you feel less alone and more in charge

lubeybooby · 12/03/2011 17:55

OP I'm really sorry and I know this must be so difficult but you have got to get you and your kids away from this man asap

Please contact womens aid

TryLikingClarity · 12/03/2011 17:56

rl = real life.

Savannah - this man is a loon. Pack your things and get as far away as possible.

Mamaz0n · 12/03/2011 18:00

This is an awful situation Op but rest assured, even if in a fit of desperation you did sign this "contract" no court in the land would uphold it.

Why are you isolated from your freinds and family?

I would suspect that if you think deeper about your home life you are experiencing Domestic abuse.
You should probably allow him to leave. ANd then when he is calmer ask him to speak to someone about the obvious issues he has.

It may be that he has some deep rooted psychological fear of you taking the baby or leaving him. He knows that if you sign this form you will never risk leaving. So whilst you think it is not about you, it absolutly is. It is controlling to the extreme.

He needs to seek help. Or you need to leave him now. If this is left it will only get worse.

MotherNight · 12/03/2011 18:01

rl = real life, not online.
I think you should talk to at least one of your friends, explain the situation to them. They are probably waiting for you to contact them. I know if a friend of mine was in your position I would want them to be able to talk to me no matter what had happened before.

WomanOfMassDestruction · 12/03/2011 18:06

Savannah I was going to say exactly what MotherNight has said. Please contact the very best or most understanding of your friends. Tell them what has happened and what is happening now. Also, please do contact Women's Aid HERE. They will be able to help you get away from this dreadful man.

Mamaz0n · 12/03/2011 18:06

sorry seem to have taken ages to post and so managed to massivly x post.

Yes the extra information you give is absoltuly domestic abuse. see the (not definitive) list womens iad have -
What are the signs of domestic violence?

* Destructive criticism and verbal abuse: shouting/mocking/accusing/name calling/verbally threatening
* Pressure tactics: sulking, threatening to withhold money, disconnect the telephone, take the car away, commit suicide, take the children away, report you to welfare agencies unless you comply with his demands regarding bringing up the children, lying to your friends and family about you, telling you that you have no choice in any decisions.
* Disrespect: persistently putting you down in front of other people, not listening or responding when you talk, interrupting your telephone calls, taking money from your purse without asking, refusing to help with childcare or housework.
* Breaking trust: lying to you, withholding information from you, being jealous, having other relationships, breaking promises and shared agreements.
* Isolation: monitoring or blocking your telephone calls, telling you where you can and cannot go, preventing you from seeing friends and relatives.
* Harassment: following you, checking up on you, opening your mail, repeatedly checking to see who has telephoned you, embarrassing you in public.
* Threats: making angry gestures, using physical size to intimidate, shouting you down, destroying your possessions, breaking things, punching walls, wielding a knife or a gun, threatening to kill or harm you and the children.
* Sexual violence: using force, threats or intimidation to make you perform sexual acts, having sex with you when you don't want to have sex, any degrading treatment based on your sexual orientation.
* Physical violence: punching, slapping, hitting, biting, pinching, kicking, pulling hair out, pushing, shoving, burning, strangling.
* Denial: saying the abuse doesn't happen, saying you caused the abusive behaviour, being publicly gentle and patient, crying and begging for forgiveness, saying it will never happen again.

Now that is not an exhaustive list. There are many more little things you will probably be able to identify. but it may help you see just what he is doing is not because he cares, it is because he is insecure and controlling.

chippy47 · 12/03/2011 18:14

Male view point. Get away from this person and then take him for everything you can financially- they are his children( both?). And keep any evidence you have of this supposed contract. It wil help in any future custody battles whic I am sure there will be. He does not love you in the way two people in a partnership should. And in time you will realise you do not love him. You sound like he has moulded you into some sort of slave concubine.
Your real friends will understand your situation. I do not think you can ever be happy with this person from what you have described so far.

Owlingate · 12/03/2011 18:15

Are you married to him? How old is your other child? Are you still in touch with your family?

wotnext · 12/03/2011 18:17

You need professional help to deal with this one.

Please listen to what others have said, i recognise that you love this man & will do anything for him but this is only going to get worse if you do.

Be strong & get outside help & support, if this means getting in touch with the friends you had to ditch, do it & tell them the truth or go to women's aid & contact your local domestic violence (abuse, same thing really) team, talk with any or all of these people & you will be able to make the correct decision, they WILL help you.
When you have support you will not be on your own you need to do something & although advice on here is spot on YOU need to do something in real life. You will be surprised of how many others will completely understand your sittuation & help you move forward.
((((((((((((hugs))))))))))

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