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Need some advice

22 replies

Cookie26 · 23/02/2011 09:35

I feel utterly humiliated being here. My head's all over the place and I just want some support I suppose so please don't bother replying if you don't have anything constructive to say.
Massive argument last night, I shoved him. He made some nasty comments about my appearance. We argued some more I turned away from him into the back door and put my fingers in my ears screaming for him to stop. He throws a bottle 3 inches above my head and it smashes the glass in the door. A tiny shard nicks my face. I was hysterical and wet myself. I couldn't breathe properly. Of course it's all my fault because I was spoiling for a fight from the beginning. I can't deal with this anymore, I'm just so low. He's been like this all his life, how can it be me? I can't tell anyone>

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yogididabooboo · 23/02/2011 09:40

Who is "he"?

if it is your OH then i think you need to think about either intensive counselling for you both about your relationship and anger management, or leaving.

If this is a regular occurance then it is anything but healthy.

You say he has been like it for life which made me wonder if you meant a brother or son? maybe even your father?
In which case i think you need to either distance yourself or if your son you need to speak to people about finding him help for his agression.

Cookie26 · 23/02/2011 09:51

Sorry my head is all over the place, it's my H. In his teens he went to anger management. He's caused damage to his parents house when he lived at home. I'm tired of this.

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SunshineisSorry · 23/02/2011 09:53

oh bloody hell - what a state to have gotten in. If it was a one off i would have said, horrible row, move on - im not a one strike and your out type. But this is repeated behaviour - you need to leave him.

There will be others with more experience but he needs to be asked to leave, sensibly and quietly when things calmed down.

yogididabooboo · 23/02/2011 09:54

If he has anger management as a teen then it can't come as a surprise to him if you now ask him to seek further assistance for his anger.

I don't think you need to make allowances for his temper but obviously being atagonistic is going to help no one. BUt you know that already.

COuld you speak to your GP about what is going on and ask him if he can think of somewhere to refer him.
I think Womens aid actually run some groups for men with anger issues as well.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/02/2011 09:57

Cookie,

Do you have children?. If so what are the two of you teaching them about relationships here?.

The only level of violence acceptable within a relationship is none.

What do you want to happen?.

Anger management is of no benefit or use at all to inherently violent and damaged men. It can actually further justify the abuse meted out in their own mind.

Womens Aid can and will help you if you call them. You cannot go on like this, there is never any justification for domestic violence. You have likely been conditioned to accept its all your fault when it clearly is not.

compo · 23/02/2011 09:57

Was alcohol involved?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/02/2011 10:00

Couples work, anger management, mediation and restorative justice are not appropriate responses to men?s abusive behaviour to women.

Any response to domestic violence must acknowledge the real and often fatal dangers present in bringing the victim and offender together. A relationship defined by violence, control, threats and an imbalance of power must not be subject mediation, couple work or restorative justice. Anger management is also not appropriate in domestic violence cases because domestic violence is not caused by a problem with anger, or a loss of control. It is chosen intentional behaviour designed to exert power and control over another.

Such interventions imply a position of equality and of equal bargaining power between two parties and supports the abuser?s view that he is not entirely responsible for stopping his violence. It also creates the illusion of a safe space. Yet fear is a significant factor influencing the behaviour and decisions made by women experiencing domestic violence.

Domestic violence is characterised by an imbalance of power so any intervention that encourages mediation or seeks to deny the abuser?s responsibility for their violence will result in further attempts to manipulate, dominate and threaten the woman experiencing domestic violence. Women will inevitably not be able to participate or speak freely and may be subject to very subtle signals (such as a particular look or gesture) that serve as a threat, which often go unnoticed by a third party. There is a very real danger that perpetrators might use these processes to maintain power and control over their victims, divert themselves from criminal justice sanctions and avoid taking responsibility for their own actions.

Family members, through mediation, can also apply pressure to prolong and condone the violence, for example by using powerful cultural notions such as ?honour? and ?shame? to enforce compliance. There is a danger that family members may also be victim-blaming in their approach and support the actions and justifications of the perpetrator, instead of supporting and empowering women and children.

blinks · 23/02/2011 10:00

womens aid

www.womensaid.org.uk

CameronCook · 23/02/2011 10:01

Cookie this is not a healthy environment for you to live in - if he will not seek immediate help then you need to leave.

MigratingCoconuts · 23/02/2011 10:09

I think you need to get safe too. Can you get him to move out for a short while? Have you got somewhere you can go?

You need to get safe and then sort out the counselling.

I know you feel like you can't tell anyone in RL but is there a friend/brother/sister/mum who you could talk to? Its hard to do cos it makes it more real, but you need to get safe.

Anniegetyourgun · 23/02/2011 10:11

You're wrong when you say you can't tell anyone. Circumstances may mean you have to be very cautious about who you tell at first, though. I agree that Women's Aid is a great start and you shouldn't even have to identify yourself if you don't want to. Also some CABs have dedicated DV workers who guarantee confidentiality. There is someone out there who will believe you, who can help you, and who will care about you. It's not just a job. They really do give a shit.

Cookie26 · 23/02/2011 11:58

Hy, sorry I've taken a while to respond. Thankyou so much for all the advice. Firstly, there is no alcohol/drug use involved. Sounds stupid but I wish there. At least then I wouldn't be fighting myself one minute saying it's not my fault then it is. Yes there are children involved but he has NEVER behaved that way in front of them. I've asked him what he would do if this was one of our daughters in this position. He would kill them. Why am I expected to forgive and forget?

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blinks · 23/02/2011 12:05

why are you trying to understand it?

it doesn't make sense. it is what it is.

and it's dangerous for you and your children, so you have to leave.

SmashingNarcissistsMirrors · 23/02/2011 12:09

OP your partner has behaved unacceptably and in an abusive manner. however i don't think you have behaved in a healthy manner either. as you say, you escalated this to physical by shoving him which wasn't a good response to his uncalled for criticism.

shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming is also not a good way to react. that you wet yourself means your emotions were totally out of control along with the situation.

the fact that he is abusive and you are also struggling with healthy interaction means this is likely to escalate unless you both recognise what you are doing is wrong and get some serious help.

what do you think a better way to react to his nasty criticism would have been?

Mouseface · 23/02/2011 12:10

Cookie

You should read THIS for starters.

You should also NEVER put up with treatment like this.

Did you shove him first and that made him retaliate?

Not that he should have, I'm just trying to understand more....

Where were the children when this happpened?

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 23/02/2011 12:35

You need to get him out of the house. If that;s too dangerous, you need to get the DC and leave yourself.
Is there a cultural issue here? From what you have said about his response to his daughters being in an abusive relationship would be to kill them then I wonder if you are living in an environment where women are expected to put up with domestic violence and blame themselves.
If this is so, there are groups that specialise in helping women escape culturally-backed violence, and either WA or the local police DV unit should be able to put you in touch with an appropriate source of help.

AgeingGrace · 23/02/2011 12:48

Cookie, don't let anybody make you think you provoke him, it's six of one & half a dozen of the other, there's something wrong with you or the like.

Unless you were actually trying to kill your husband he has no excuse for throwing a bottle at you.

A person who loves you never tries to injure you or insult you while you're terrified.

It's normal self-defence to scream, shove and so on when you are in fear.

You don't have to live with this. Please ring Womens Aid on 0808 2000 247, they'll be able to help you clear your head.

AgeingGrace · 23/02/2011 12:52

SNM, this: you both recognise what you are doing is wrong is inappropriate to such a violent situation. They both know it's wrong - but only one of them is choosing to put his partner's life at risk, regardless of that knowledge.

TangledScotland · 23/02/2011 12:53

His behaivour belongs to him, you didn't "make" him do it, sounds like you have been conditioned for a long time in a very bad relationship.

It's not about forgive and forget it's about moving out and moving on

sending hugs x

Mouseface · 23/02/2011 13:15

SGB - 'He would kill them' - I think the OP means the man involved, just reads like that. Smile

SmashingNarcissistsMirrors · 23/02/2011 14:02

AgeingGrace - in the OP she said she shoved him first. we've no way of knowing how violent that shove was, whether it could have made him lose his footing or crack his head open or whatever. equally we've no way of knowing how violently the bottle was thrown and if it was intended to break glass that ended up hitting the OP. all i can surmise from the info in the post is that both of these actions were potentially life threatening. neither should be putting up with them. neither should be doing them.

i'd say a person who loves you should never try to injure or insult you whether you are terrified or not.

agree womens aid would be a good port of call.

Mouseface · 23/02/2011 14:24

Agreed SNM - that's why I asked about if she thought he was acting in retailation or actually, now I think about it, self defence.

Not condoning either.

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