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Please tell me how to have a relationship with someone with 2 angry teenagers in the house

17 replies

witchetychicky · 19/02/2011 23:50

Maybe I know the answer already - just give up and take a vow of chastity!
First a little background. I was married for 20 years to someone with a serious drug and alcohol problem.l I thought I could help him, control his addictions and make it all better (God I wish I had had advise from Mumsnet back then)

It all came crashing down 4 years ago - after yet another affair (his) and horrible abusive behaviour I kicked him out. It's been a tough 4 years and above all I felt devastated for the DC (now 14 and 15). I have done everything to be there for them, to help them cope with their Dad moving out and also his continued mannipulative and irrational behaviour. Things have started to really come together and I have been starting to really believe that I did the right thing and that the DC are better off with just me than in a horribly disfunctional family.

....But I have been feeling really lonely, I hate the thought of being on my own for ever.

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squeakytoy · 19/02/2011 23:59

How would your teens react to you starting a relationship do you think?

Maybe they would be pleased that their mum is happy and is moving on.

There is no reason you should be alone for ever.. and your children are now going to be out living their own lives, so this is the time when you need to put yourself first now and again.

witchetychicky · 20/02/2011 00:01

Can I just add that the reason for the post is that I have met a lovely man through work - we are clear with each other that we really like each other, that we would like to take things further. My DC know that he could possibly be more than a friend (my DD read text messages on my phone) The are both furious. I have tried to reassure them that nothing would change the life that the 3 of us have together, but even meeting him for a coffee results in DS being unkin and sarcastic and DD not speaking to me for days.

They are the most inportant thing in my world, but I don't want to give up a chance of happiness for me.

....I have to share this computer with DC so not always able to get online!

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witchetychicky · 20/02/2011 00:01

Sorry x posted

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lemonsquish · 20/02/2011 00:37

I think you're doing all of the right things. You're taking it slowly and reasuring your DCs.

They are growing up and won't need you forever. You need a life too.

You could ask them how they would feel if you reacted to their relationships in the same way, esp reading your texts (think they would be furious!)

RailwayChild · 20/02/2011 00:43

Your DC fear many things. They fear not being first in your life, they fear for you and they fear change.

Go slowly (sounds like you are) but be absolutely clear that they cannot dictate your relationships anymore than you can dictate theirs.

My eldest was foul to my new partner (similar scenario and background to you) It's taken a few months for her to thaw but we are getting there. Basically the new guy confronts her comfortable view of who I am. She'd like to think of me as Mum who was married to Dad. New man doesn't fit in here Hmm
He has been respectful and understanding (essential) and we've talked it through. Good luck

witchetychicky · 20/02/2011 14:09

Thanks for the replies. I understand their anger and fear but am trying not to let that be an excuse for horrible behaviour. My plan is to take things very slowly and to only see him away from the house for now. Just knowing that I am going out with him for an evening can cause bot of them to freeze me out for days though. It feels like I am never going to get past this.

I have worked really hard to make sure they are Ok despite what has happened, I'm just worried that I could undo all the good work I have done, by doing something that is very much about my needs and not theirs.

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RailwayChild · 20/02/2011 17:37

You will get past it. I felt similarly pressured to stay single. It seemed ok for their dad to have a partner but not me.
Now they can see that my new partner makes me happy and doesn't threaten them.

You will get there.

Talk to new partner and get his understanding

witchetychicky · 20/02/2011 19:49

Thanks - he is really understanding and everything is on my terms because of DC. I guess the only way to reassure them that things won't change is to keep seeing him and prove that things haven't changed. Reassuring words don't mean anything to them.

It does feel very unfair when their father can do anything but that's maybe because he has less of a central role in their lives.

Patience patience patience!

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smokingnuns · 21/02/2011 11:12

well..... the very best thing you can do for them is to have your own life and be happy. That's not theory btw but practise. They will reacte badly to things not only changing, your cosy trio, but also at their age the idea of you being sexually viable is horrifying. You're supposed to be baking cakes and going to bed at 9, your life's mission and purpose subsumed in them.

You may have led them to believe that OP - you've bent over backwards to help them cope with the upheavals of the past few years. You can't get it right eh, but I did the same and tbh I now believe that was a mistake. Easy to say in retrospect but I needed to be a bit more gung-ho about it all, along the lines of shit happens kids, ah well, what's for tea. You and I have given our kids the impression that a terrible thing has happened to them and they will barely be able to cope unless we are at their side smoothing it all over for them. Don't treat them like hospital patients. Shit does happen, to a lot of people, get over it.

Someone said very similar to me when it was all happening - worse, actually - and I was horrified at her hardness, truly flabbergasted that she didn't understand what was happening to my babies. I now think she did understand, perfectly. I'm not suggesting you should be hard - don't actually say 'get over it'! - but act along those lines. Life as normal type of thing. We're moving on chaps, what's for tea.

You've been used to pandering to an addict husband, mopping up his messes, being dragged around by his dramas, and that has probably established some furrows that need to be dug up. You don't have to do it with your kids (even though you may feel you're redundant if you don't? Confused)

I'm also concerned that they freeze you out 'for days' when you don't do what they want. This is manipulative behaviour and I'm sorry to say my kids show some very clear signs that they learned a lot from their dad. Don't let them get away with that, but don't say anything about it - don't agonise and plead and sigh and shout - but act like nothing's happening - even, that you are so taken up with your own life/new man that you don't notice. Don't feed it. That will stop any manipulative behaviour in its tracks because at root they are afraid of losing you and your nonchalance will play into that. They are not going to lose you - you know that - but don't let them manipulate you, don't pander to it.

Sorry, long post, strong views. I wish someone had said something like this at the time we were going through it. Alright, someone did, but I didn't understand it and she said it brutally so I didn't listen - but I remembered it. Things in my family are a godawful mess however many years down the line and if only I had started on them earlier. My kids think my life's purpose is to see to their every need and are incandescent that I won't and don't - I did such a good, perfect job of supporting them that I led them to believe that that's what I was on this planet for.

piranhamorgana · 21/02/2011 11:59

smokingnuns - fab post.A lightbulb moment for me.
I am making just the same mistake with my dc.

What you are saying - don't engage with the behaviour - is something I need to remind myself when my teenage dds behave in an angry disrespectful way towards me.Yes,they do this if I make plans which are not solely directed at meeting their needs.

I have been overcompensating for a year now.

you say:

"My kids think my life's purpose is to see to their every need and are incandescent that I won't and don't - I did such a good, perfect job of supporting them that I led them to believe that that's what I was on this planet for."

That is what I have been experiencing recently.Thank you so much for describing and explaining so well.

witchety - less patience now! You have done really well to survive and to have supported your dc through.
Now start showing them what healthy adult women need in order to continue to function as mothers....a healthy,private ,personal life is something you need and deserve.

Good luck

smokingnuns · 21/02/2011 14:08

I was writing to myself piranha! I didn't realise it until I'd posted, read it through and thought listen up girl! Overcompensating it certainly is. Facing some real crises with my kids - this very day in fact - and had fallen into the old pit (the one I dug all those years ago to surive my horrific ex). It wasn't until I read my post that I saw it! ha ha! That's a win/win then I guess Smile

Just keep swimming as Dory says Wink

ciderandblack · 21/02/2011 14:15

My sister and I were teenagers (a bit younger than yours)when my mum met someone else a few years after splitting from my dad. I remember that we behaved horrendously towards my mum's new man and my poor mum. My dad had even remarried by then but still we were totally resentful of my mum trying to make a new start as we wanted her all to ourselves.

In the end she finished things with her new partner as she was finding it so difficult. Ironically I can remember feeling upset when she had done this as I had finally started to come round to the idea of her being with someone else (although when I shared this information with my mum it was too late unfortunately). My mum didn't see anyone else seriously until years later when I was an adult and I have always felt guilty about this since, as she spent years on her own. When my sister and I had left home and gone to university she felt very lonely initially.

So OP I would say keep on ploughing through the resentful behaviour and as has been said already, try not to sucked into your teenagers' game playing. Do as you have been doing and take things step by step. Hopefully slowly your children will come round to the idea that your happiness is as important as yours.

ciderandblack · 21/02/2011 14:17

that your happiness is as important as theirs

witchetychicky · 21/02/2011 17:22

smokingnuns thank you so much for the post....and also to pianha and cider.
I get really caught up in the game playing, particularly with DD and I need to stop. I like the pragmatic " what's for tea approach"!

I think I have over compensated and deep down feel that if something is good for me, then it must be harmful for my kids. It's so reassuring to hear of others' experiences and to know that I am not being selfish...well not more than I should be.
Friends have also taken a tough line with me over the last few years, but like you I thought I knew better. I also need to look at why I have to make things better for everyone. Confused

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witchetychicky · 21/02/2011 17:23

piranha!

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smokingnuns · 21/02/2011 17:57

Codependency my dear. It's a boring old thing but there is runs, under the surface, for those of us who have been in abusive relationships Confused

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