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Not sure where to go with this - controlling & toxic 'friend'

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Lovecat · 20/01/2011 10:18

This is somewhere between a Relationships/WWYD/AIBU post, so I thought I'd try here first... it's also very long, sorry!

I met this guy about 10 years ago through a shared hobby. He's gay - the relevance of this is that there is no sexual element to this relationship whatsoever, I have no feelings for him on that level, he definitely doesn't fancy me! I got on with him well on a superficial, chatty level, he seemed to think we were made for each other and proceeded to bombard me with invites to things, lifts home (unfortunately we live quite close together) where we diverted to his place to meet his partner 'ooh, you have to meet LC' type of thing, he is very charming when on form, and initially I thought he was just being (very) friendly. I'm quite friendly myself, so I went along with it.

Then slowly over the next 5 years he started trying to insinuate himself and his partner into other areas of my life. Nothing particularly sinister, but they would invite us to things and wouldn't take no for an answer (in a very charming way), would ask us what we were doing at Christmas/Easter etc and the first time I was stupid enough to tell the truth they ended up inviting themselves round(!), many other such incidents. I find it hard to say 'no' to people, especially when they keep on with 'why?' and don't just take no for an answer!

Due to our shared hobby we have a lot of mutual friends, and I found that I would mention something to them in conversation, then when I next saw him, he would already know all about it, passing little comments in a 'knowing' sort of way - can't exactly put into words how annoying and creepy this is, but it really gets under my skin - I became aware over the years that he is very good at subtly wheedling information out of people, as he's done it to me too. And spreading downright lies about people he dislikes.

Now, in the course of getting to know him and his partner better, I realised that his partner was deeply, deeply racist, sexist and anti-semitic. I called him on it if he said anything in my presence, he was always very apologetic but then the next time I'd see them he (the partner) would do it again. They also drooled all over DH in a way that made him at first amused and then uncomfortable.

I started distancing myself from them at that point, but it was difficult with knowing so many mutual people and he always made a beeline for me whenever he saw me.

When DD was born they kept hinting about being godparents and/or coming to the baptism (over my dead body!) - that one I did stand firm on! - but I did it by ignoring all hints and when he asked me point blank when and where the christening was (on the pretext of getting DD a gift) I told him it was a very small ceremony, family only. Which was a total lie, but I really did not want him and his partner there.

We continued distancing ourselves and heard very little from them. Phew!

Then when DD was a year old, his partner died in very unexpected circumstances. He rang me up in hysterics, as I was on M/L and only round the corner I went round and stayed with him until another friend could come and be with him, as he was in bits. He was very depressed for a while, and I felt very sorry for him, and as it had been his partner who was the vocally repulsive one, I suppose I hoped that he was not the same.

That was 5 years ago. I have come to the conclusion in the last 2 years that he is using his bereavement as a stick to beat people with and get away with saying and doing the most outrageous things. He is rude, judgemental, extremely self-absorbed, just as racist/sexist/anti-semitic as his partner ever was, horrendously right wing - we just don't have anything in common beyond the shared hobby. I have tried to distance myself again but he won't let go. If I'm talking to someone else he will either come up and interrupt or else call 'LC, LC, LC' at me until I look at him and then say something utterly stupid and irrelevant like 'have you lost weight?' (chance'd be a fine thing...) - it's like he's a 4 year old in his need for attention. He is also vilely bitchy about friends behind their backs and I know damn well he's done it to me too.

He is one of those 'yes, but' people - he will moan on at me about how lonely and miserable he is, but do nothing to help himself. I'm not the only one exasperated with him on this count. I suggested to him that he might be depressed, he refuses to countenance this, it's all some 'other' fault or problem, never him - currently it's that he's being bullied at work - trust me, this man is incapable of being bullied!

He is also using DD as an excuse to keep in touch with us - buying her presents all the time, trying to be "uncle xx" with her, even though she can't stand him (out of their presence he goes on at length about how much he hates children, and tbh there is something a wee bit creepy about him being so ingratiating with her, which I think she picks up on!) I then feel beholden to him, which I have come to believe is his intention. He bought her a huge present last year, unasked for, we didn't get him anything (don't do presents for adults) and I heard back from a mutual friend that he'd been bitching about this to all and sundry!)

And now... he buttonholed me last night and said DH and I have to meet with him as he's making a will and leaving "a lot of money" to DD. I told him not to, he said he has no-one else to leave it to since xxx died and we must be his executors.

I am thinking that this is just another way of trying to control our relationship (since a pretty unforgiveable incident before Christmas I am madly trying to distance myself from him, have told him I think his behaviour is unacceptable (he tells me it's not his fault, he's not well...) and have been very businesslike in my dealings with him) and I don't want him to have any 'claim' over DD or my family by this. I know damn well that he's going to go around telling everyone what he's done, so if I do then break our 'friendship', I'll look like a right cow.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to deal with this? I hate being rude to people but he always, always has an answer to any polite excuse I give him and just saying 'no' (I've tried it!), and unfortunately I am taking over his role on a committee and need him to sign stuff over to me, which I don't believe he'll do if I affront him (he has form on this one!).

But I really, really cannot begin to describe how creepy he makes me feel and how suffocating his behaviour is - it's so subtle, if I gave an example I doubt you'd think it was anything at all, but taken together... aargh!

I really want nothing to do with him or his money, how can I get this across? Can you actually refuse to be a beneficiary of a will? I don't think you can, can you? I know we can refuse to be executors and I will tell him that if he insists on DD being a beneficiary then we won't be execs as it's a conflict of interest, but I would much rather he didn't leave her a bean and got his fingers out of our family!

If you made it to the end of that, thank you! :)

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perfumedlife · 20/01/2011 10:29

You simply tell him you do not like him, cannot abide his racist, anti semitic attitude and want nothing more to do with him.

Not rude, just truthfull. I've been there, and it's the only thing that works.
When you see him at shared hobby, polite and cool.

SheWillBeLoved · 20/01/2011 10:54

Agree with perfumedlife. You've gone way past the stage of being able to easily distance yourself from the friendship. You need to tell him straight, to his face, that you no longer wish to continue the friendship, and give him the reasons why.

Nothing else will work with this type. If you want him out of your life that much, it has to be done. It'll be hard to do no doubt, but would you rather do that, or have him intruding your life for however many more years?

CAS77 · 20/01/2011 10:55

Oh dear - he sounds like a complete nightmare! I don't think you have any other choice but to completely cut relations dead with and to tell him you no longer wish to have any contact with him. If you wish to do so, you can tell him why.

If you don't cut relations with him completely then he will keep on at you and your family and your resentment and anger is just going to keep building up. Your first priority is you and your family's happiness and your "friend" is chipping away at this.

I don't think you can refuse to be a beneficiary in a will (but if you cut relations with him, how likely is it that he would follow through with doing this? It may be just words in any event to try and emotionally blackmail you as you say). But, I think you can refuse a gift at the time it is given, so you can just return it to the executors saying it is refused. Obviously, you must refuse to be executors, but this goes part and parcel with cutting relations.

As to how it affects your mutual hobby and friends, well that will be difficult...can you pursue your hobby elsewhere or in a way that you won't have any contact with him? You will just have to trust that your mutual friends know and trust you enough (and know what a nightmare he is) to understand your reasons for doing this.

I don't think you should delay in doing this - it will be hard but the alternative is much more pernicious and has the potential to make you unhappy in the long term.

Good luck.

Lovecat · 20/01/2011 11:04

Thanks all :)

You're all right, I know I need to do this - CAS77, you have hit the nail on the head, I do feel resentful towards him and DH is fed up of hearing me rant about him! (although he gets his fair share now that he considers DH a friend too and rings him up if he can't get hold of me - DH as wishy-washy as I am when it comes to offending people - so at least he understands how I feel!)

Yes, my friends at the shared hobby know what a nightmare he can be, but unless you're close to him you don't really get how controlling he is, and there is a big residual of 'poor xxx, he lost his partner so tragically' so he gets away with murder.

Funnily enough there's a new girl just joined us and I can see him moving in on her exactly the way he did to me - very charming, funny, generous - I feel like warning her to run for the hills!

So. meeting him for coffee this lunchtime supposedly to sign some stuff over. Better screw up my courage

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StuffingGoldBrass · 20/01/2011 11:43

Remember that if he carries on harassing you after you have told him that you don't want to be friends with him you can take legal action against him. Hopefully it won't come to this but it's sometimes helpful to remember that not only does no adult have any kind of right to a relationship/friendship with someone who doesn't want to know, but you do have a legal right to keep someone away from you and out of your life if you dislike that person and s/he is harassing you.

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