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Where do I go from here - bit long!

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Bumblelion · 03/09/2003 12:40

Where do I go from here?

Any advice gratefully received.

Ex-DH and I separated last February although he didn't leave the family house until September last year and in that time we lived separate lives, him living in loft, etc.

Have 3 children (nearly 11, 6.5 and nearly 2). When he left, he only took his clothes and the dvd player (bought the children another one in its place). Everything else in the house is still there. He moved in with a friend's house and then at Christmas moved in with his girlfriend, who also has a child of 15.

He has the children at the family house one night a week for a few hours doing the normal nightly routine ? bathing, dinner, reading, bed, etc. ? and has them, invariably, one night, over night, at the weekend ? normally a Friday. On a few occasions he or I have swopped Friday night for Saturday night for special occasions, birthdays, anniversaries, special parties, etc. and on one occasion I had them the whole weekend and he had them the whole following weekend.

When he first left, I did go and see a solicitor for legal advice (twice, each costing £50) but the advice she gave me wasn't very helpful. When I told my ex what she had said he and I would be entitled to, after telling her all the facts, he told me that his solicitor had told him something totally different. When I went back to see my solicitor and told her my ex had been told different advice, she apologised and said that, in fact, my ex-h was correct in what he had been told. Example: She told me that I could live in the family home with the 3 children and that I wouldn't be expected to sell the house until my youngest left full-time education. Because I have taken over paying the mortgage (although his name is still on the papers) she told me that he would be entitled to 30% and I would be entitled to 70% as and when I sold. My ex-h told me that his solicitor had said that, because he is paying me £450 a month child maintenance ? I get nothing as I work part-time and don't need/want his money for my upkeep ? this £450 a month actually goes towards heating/water/mortgage and in that case he is entitled to 50% of the equity as and when I sell.

When I told my solicitor this, she said "oh, hadn't thought of that!" Also, because he is living with a girl who has a daughter of her own, although this child isn't my husband's, he still has a responsibility towards that child.

So --- what advice exactly as I am asking here?

  1. How can I go about getting a legal separation order in place without involving a solicitor, or can't I?

  2. How do I apply to the courts for a divorce as there is no chance of us getting back together. I am not in any great rush, but feel that things needs to be brought to a resolution.

  3. Me and ex-h are happy with our agreement. He gives me £450 a month ? increasing with inflation ? and has the children one night at my house and one night over the weekend.

  4. I am going to suggest to my ex-h that I don?t have a problem with him having 50% of the equity in 14 years time (as youngest child is not yet 2) but, if I decide to sell the house before then (which I have every intention of doing ? possibly next year), I am going to suggest I give him 1/3rd leaving me 1/3rd and the children 1/3rd (which I will obviously use to re-house us). I am thinking of moving next year as this house still feels like the family home but with one major part missing ? the children's father. He is living with his girl friend in a housing association property. The nan lived with them but when she died (recently) they were able to take over the tenancy of this 3 bedroom property as she has a daughter and also my ex-h has the 3 children to stay overnight more than 52 times a year and the council where he lives (Tandridge) are very into fathers having as much contact with their children as possible.

Any advice gratefully received.

Anyone been through an amicable separation ? which ours is turning out to be ? although I am not that naïve to think that it couldn't turn nasty at any time.

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Sonnet · 03/09/2003 15:38

sorry no one has replyed yet...I havn't experienced this so can't help - sorry
You sound very together and organised - I'm impressed. I hope it works out for you

WideWebWitch · 03/09/2003 15:46

Bumblelion, I have been through an amicable separation and it makes a huge difference that we are all (ex, me AND dp) friendly and it's all civilised. So I'd try to keep it that way if I were you but, get a new solicitor! She sounds crap! Your ex's solicitor shouldn't end up being your main source of correct information! But sorry, other than that, I don't have any advice. BTW, I get more maintenance than that for one child. Just thought I'd say it sounds on the low side for 3 children. Also, isn't maintenance supposed to be for the children? Food and so on? In which case, so what if you actually use some of it towards household bills, I wouldn't have thought that entitles him to a larger share of the house. That wouldn't seem morally fair anyway. Anyway, it sounds to me as if you need some decent legal advice. Sorry, that's not terribly helpful I don't suppose. Will post again if I think of anything.

Bumblelion · 03/09/2003 15:57

WWW - thanks for your helpful comments - especially the bit about you getting more money for just one child. Perhaps the reason the split is so amicable is because my ex knows he is getting out with a lot less than what he would be if we were fighting it out through the solicitors! It is hard to know what to do for the best really.

I hope we can keep it amicable - I get on okay with his girlfriend (not what I would call a friend but I don't have a problem with her spending time with my children - but may be that is because I don't have a choice - if I want my ex to still see the children, then by default she will be seeing them too).

It is so hard to try and find a good solicitor, one who won't take all my money but still give me the right advice.

Thanks for your advice though. Got me thinking.

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aloha · 03/09/2003 16:11

I agree, I think you need a better solicitor. I also think your child maintenance seems on the low side. Do you know how much he earns? About of a quarter of his after tax income should go on the children. The important thing to remember is that are no 'rules' about who gets what in a divorce. The court can order anything it likes regarding property. The only rule is that you and the children get priority and a place to live in. How much equity is there in the house? How much mortgage can you get on your own? Do the sums add up?
I think it is wonderful that you are able to be civilised about this, though your solicitor sounds rubbish. A legal separation is a bad idea IMO, it doesn't really move any of you further. I would go for a divorce, probably on the grounds of his adultery. It doesn't have to be nasty.
I would get some more legal advice personally, as children and property are involved. He does not legally have any responsibility to pay for his girlfriend's child - though he may feel a moral obligation.

aloha · 03/09/2003 16:20

You can get the forms & advice on filling them in from your local court. Ring first to check it is the right one (Yellow Pages). If you've been separated two years you can get a divorce on that ground as well. You could buy a book on divorce or consult a divorce website, such as divorce-online.co.uk or justdivorce.co.uk. Do you know how much money you both have and about pensions etc?

Bumblelion · 03/09/2003 16:54

He only earns about £23K and has a negligible pension, as do I. I sold my house last year (then decided I couldn't find anywhere near as nice in my price range after paying him his share - just to get that side of things sorted - and I sold it for £236K, got the asking price on the first day it went on the market. So have about £140K equity. I did speak to Abbey National, with whom we have our mortgage, about taking out a new mortgate solely in my name and they wouldn't let me borrow much more than I already have - although at the moment as far as they are concerned it is still in both our names.

I am going to look up my local court in my yellow pages and see if I can get the forms - just so I can see what I am looking at.

I can divorce him on adultury, although it was me that cheated first (in 1998 but he "forgave" me and we had another baby in 2001). I think I would rather wait for the 2 years separation (which is in February) and see if I can go for an irretrieable breakdown of marriage rather than trying to blame him or him blame me.

Thanks for your advice.

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aloha · 03/09/2003 17:05

Where do you live if you have sold your house? I'm confused! I can't see you possibly buying a house big enough for you and three children if you hand over 1/3 of the equity now. Unless you move to Scotland or something. House prices are a nightmare.

Bumblelion · 03/09/2003 17:19

Did sell my house but couldn't find anything in my price range so took it back off the market and am still living in it.

Keep toying with the idea of moving away further south but I need to consider my work (London), childcare (currently my mum), friends in my area, etc.

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