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MrGa · 17/01/2011 17:08

Hi
First post here. I?m a father so I?m not sure if this is the right place for me to posting. However, I wanted some advice from a female perspective so I hope you don?t mind. This is quite a long story but I?ll be as brief as I possibly can.
Me and my partner have been together for just under three years now. I was her first boyfriend. There is an eight-year age gap between us. She is 21, I?m 29. We had a baby nine months ago. He was unplanned and came as quite a shock. She didn?t find out she was pregnant until three and a half months gone. She had been avoiding her periods by not taking breaks with the contraceptive pill as she should so didn?t notice she had not been having periods.
I was in a really stressful job at the time. We had moved into a flat together about 2 months before she found out she was pregnant. Just before she found out, I was signed off work with stress and depression and prescribed anti-depressants. However, these just made me worse and the combination of depression, being out of work, and the shock of the pregnancy really sent me into a bit of a downward spiral and I spent a period of around two months were I could barely get out of bed. She was still working during this period and took her maternity leave at about eight months pregnant. I ended up being signed off work for about eight months myself and was then made redundant. It has been a struggle to find employment since.
She meanwhile was feeling down herself about the whole situation. She?s never really been good at talking about her emotions so maybe I didn?t realise how much this was affecting her at the time. The scan we had of our baby told us we were expecting a girl. However, when she gave birth we were surprised to have a boy! This didn?t really bother me but I could immediately she it shook her up a bit. We had given our ?girl? a name and bought lots of pink clothes etc etc. She appeared to struggle to bond with him at first.
Following the birth, our relationship began to go rapidly downhill. There were no major arguments (there never have been) but everything got rather dull. Before her pregnancy, and before we moved in together, we had had the typical young couple?s life. Going out fairly regularly to pubs and clubs etc and generally having lots of fun. This obviously stopped when she became pregnant. Things weren?t helped by the fact that my sex drive was seriously affected by the anti-depressants and we barley had sex throughout the pregnancy. Since giving birth, we hadn?t has sex much either. I guess it became slightly awkward due to it not happening for a long time. Again though, she didn?t really tell me how she felt about things, and it was a struggle to get her to talk about it when I pressed her on it.
A few months later she was diagnosed with post-natal depression. At this point, I started putting in all the effort I could to support her, realising that things were really affecting her badly. She started complaining to me about me being out of work, despite me applying for many jobs but getting nowhere. She began to talk about wanting to go back to live near her parents, 150 miles away. I tried to persuade her against this, asking her to give the anti-depressants she had been prescribed more time and she how she felt when she went back to her job (her maternity leave was due to end in about a month?s time). She said I was right and agreed to see how things panned out.
However, about two weeks before she was due to go back to work, I popped out to the shops one morning. I came back about an hour later to find her parents at our flat, with a removal van and her moving all her stuff out. She told me that she couldn?t bare to be in the flat any longer, that she had grown to hate the place, and that she needed to get away. She told me that she still loved me and that she was sorry. She obviously took our son. It turned out that she had been planning this for a number of weeks behind my back, arranging the removal van with her parents and even arranging a work transfer.
I was naturally pretty distraught, and angry. I spent a few weeks feeling desperately sorry for myself although I stayed in touch with her by telephone. She was very apologetic, very teary, telling me it wasn?t me, she just needed to get away for a change of scenery and a fresh start. She told me I?d always be welcome to go and stay with her.
Shortly afterwards, we agreed for me to move to her. I didn?t particularly want to. We lived in a big city (I have always lived in big cities) and she had moved to a small town really out of the way. But I had to put keeping my family together first so I went. Strangely enough, she had rented herself a house but had been staying with her mother as she didn?t like living in it alone.
Despite not feeling excited at the prospect of living in this area, I was looking forward to having a fresh start, having our family back together and really putting in the effort into making us work out. The very night I arrived however I sensed that she wasn?t very welcoming. We began talking and she suddenly told me that she thought she had fallen out of love with me and didn?t think she could love me anymore. I was amazed. She hadn?t mentioned this in the weeks of phonecalls we had been having, saying the exact opposite in fact! She then started telling me she?d like me to stay over xmas, particularly because it was our son?s first xmas, but that she?d like me to move out and the end of January. I done a very naughty thing and went through her emails whilst she was at work. I know how bad this looks but I was completely paranoid about what was going on and needed to know of she?d been saying anything to her friends about us. I found emails to various of her friends telling them that she was sick of me and wanted me out of her life. I confronted her about this and we had a small argument. But after a heart-to ?heart, we agreed that I would stay around for a ?good few months? and we would try our best to make it work out and see how we felt further down the line.
So we struggle on, and when we don?t analyse our relationship things can be pretty good. We still sleep in the same bed and the sex, bizarrely enough, is better than ever. But small things bug me and hurt me. She refuses to acknowledge our relationship to her parents or friends. For example, if we?re along in the house together, and she popping out to the shops or something, she?ll peck me goodbye on the cheek as normal. But if any of her friends or parents are here she won?t. She refuses to commit, saying she needs to see if things will work out. Our relationship status used to be on our Facebook profiles but she removed this when she originally left me and she won?t change it back, saying again she needs to see if it works out or not. I don?t think there is anybody else involved.

Whenever I bring up these insecurities she says this is totally my problem that I need to deal with and doesn?t seem to see things from my point of view at all or even seem to care about how I feel. She also brings up issues like she feel s that I wasn?t there for her during her pregnancy. She knows I had my own problems at the time and she didn?t talk to me about this when it was happening. She admits that I have been the prefect man since I?ve moved here with her but she can?t seem to forgive me for my failing in the past. She also seems extremely resentful about supporting me because I?m out of work. I have still been trying to find work. In fact, I had an interview this week and the potential employers have requested references for me from my referees so there is a very good chance that I will be employed in a few weeks time. This doesn?t seem to have satisfied her though. She has naturally told her friends about this whole situation and she has told me that they are constantly encouraging her to kick me out. How am I supposed to compete with that?
Today I got really upset. She went to work and our son went to nursery. About midday, I emailed her asking what she would like to eat this evening. (I?m a good cook and constantly prepare food for her and do plenty of housework ? I was doing this even during my low points during the pregnancy. Despite probably not being there for her emotionally as well as I should have been, I wasn?t a complete arse.) She mentioned casually that our son had been taken ill at nursery and she had arranged for her mother to pick him up. I asked her why she hadn?t contacted me. I said I felt like she was cutting me out of his life now and not being fair on me. She hasn?t bothered replying to me.
The situation is really causing me grief. I can?t help feeling like I?m being used. That I deserve better and wondering why she seems to be oblivious to my feelings. Am I over-reacting? Am I being paranoid? Do I need to chill out a bit? Is her behaviour normal and acceptable?
Sorry if this story is a bit of a ramble. I?m at my wits end and don?t know what to do. Any advice or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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YeButerfleogeEffete · 17/01/2011 17:17

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Changing2011 · 17/01/2011 17:21

Sounds like you are the one analyzing everything too much - perhaps if you could get out and get a job, then she wouldnt hold you at arms length in terms of the relationship.

I think she wants to give it a go for the sake of your son but your lack of motivation is making her doubt you are the one to settle down with, She has found a takse of independence and liked it!

To be fair to her she seems to have dealt with pregnancy and bith pretty much alone, while you have completely fallen apart. I dont blame her for hedging her bets.

BooBooGlass · 17/01/2011 17:26

I can completely understand why you both would feel a bit let down by each other. You haven't really been able to help materially during and after pregnancy, which is a time when many women do feel very vulnerable anyway, and she has now gone back to work, putting your son into nursery to do so, and you still don't have a job. I know times are hard, but have you really been trying to look for work? If I were desperate to work and had reliable childcare then tbh I would do any job that came my way. I think you obviously both need to communicat better, and the main thing you can do right now is prove to her that you are being proactive, by goign ot the doctor for anti depressants if that's still an issue for you, and by finding a job.

kepler10b · 17/01/2011 17:27

i think this relationship isn't doing either of you any good. perhaps you need to call time on it. concentrate on being a good father and getting work.

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TheVisitor · 17/01/2011 17:29

You won't like what I'm saying, but your post is very "me, me, me". Supporting someone through depression is so, so hard. Doing it when pregnant and working fulltime is even harder. You seem very full on with her and not giving her room to breathe. She moved away from you and you followed. She sounds like she doesn't have the strength to tell you it's over properly. You need to chill out massively and give her space to work out what's best for her. You're smothering her.

SlightlyJaded · 17/01/2011 17:30

I disagree Changing. OP had a genuine problem with depression for which he took meds. It sounds like he does want to get back to work and he is doing his best to be the best father/partner he can given that he is out of work. He has show commitment by moving area, shown understanding (albeit late in the day) of his partners PND and need to get away etc. He has forgiven her for arranging to leave their family home without consulting him Shock

I think both parties are in need of kindness and support. OP, your partner has gone though huge changes that she neither planned nor expected. I don't care what anyone says, having a baby is far more life changing for the mother than father. She is obviously still struggling to come to terms with her 'new life' and trying to find out who she is now and what she wants. You have a choice as to whether you are prepared to 'hang around' whilst she works through this or not.

The best advice would be for you to go - as a partnership - to relationship counselling and see if you both genuinely want to make a go of things.

In the meantime, is there anything at all you could do for work - dog walking? just to show willing?

Good luck.

Mouseface · 17/01/2011 17:36

From what you have said, I'm inclinded to tell you to seperate too.

You say that you have managed to 'talk her round' as such, (more than once) into trying to give it a go, take more time, wait a bit longer etc....

I'm sorry but I don't think that any amount of time will change things if she no longer loves you.

I also think that you have both been through a hell of a lot in a short space of time.

The fact that the pregancy wasn't planned is hard to come to terms with, and then she has struggled to bond with a baby that was supposed to be a girl.

All the little things add up and makes the day to day stuff hard to cope with too.

I think that there is nothing left to save here.

She made plans to leave, she told you she wanted to go back to nearer her parents and then they came to get her.

I think that you are just making your life harder by trying to talk her round.

Sorry.

Give her the space that she needs.

I'm sure you can arrange to see your son as often as you can but staying together for his sake will not make everything work out just fine.

She won't suddenly be in love with you again.

I think you need to leave her be. You need to get yourself better too.

ILovedYou · 17/01/2011 17:41

I am sorry your relationship has worked out like this. She was WRONG for moving out and not telling you her plans.

Maybe you both need to go to counselling together or individually?

Failing this I would suggest you leave her and see a solicitor and find out where you stand. Move back to the city and leave her.

Start afresh.

Good luck i feel you deserve better treatment. She seems unforgiving.

Good luck x

MrGa · 17/01/2011 18:24

Well I didn't expect some of the harsher responses! Maybe it was the wrong place for me to post.

I'm quite shocked by the amount of people saying I should just call it a day. I think family is important. My father was never around, and then died when I was ten so I always vowed that If I had a child, I wouldn't allow him or her to through what I did. I think it's worth fighting for. However, I suppose you are all just giving your honest opinions, which is what I want really so fair enough.

I'll try and answer some individual points that have been made.

Has this resolved now? How do you feel apart from your relationship problems?

You know, I can't condone what she did (walking out like that) but I do feel it kind of gave me a kick up the arse. I'm motivated and rareing to go now. I so badly want to make this work out. Like I said in my post, I had an interview that went really well this week and I'm looking forward to it.

And there could be a whole bunch of stuff you're not telling us, or that you haven't noticed.

I'm telling you everything I'm aware of. Let me be clear, there is NO violence or any other abuse going on here.

Would she agree to counselling?

We have talked about going to relate. We have said we will look into it. I'm worried about the fees involved though. I have no income at the moment and given how she has been about my unemployment, I really don't want to ask her to pay for it.

You won't like what I'm saying, but your post is very "me, me, me".

I don't mind you saying that and I completely understand it. I know I'm being very insecure but it's hard not to be when your partner leaves you and takes your baby son away without a moments notice.

You say that you have managed to 'talk her round' as such, (more than once) into trying to give it a go, take more time, wait a bit longer etc....

You seem to have missed the bit where I explained what happened after she left. We stayed in touch by phone, she was very teary, at one point saying to me "i've fucked everything up haven't I". She was very eager for me to go and be with her. It wasn't really a case of me talking her around.

Thank you to some other posters for the sympathetic responses.

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StuffingGoldBrass · 17/01/2011 18:33

It does sound like you need a break from one another. It's always a really bad idea to 'fight' for a relationship with a partner who is repeatedly expression a wish to end the relationship - people are not property and anyone is entitled to end a relationship they no longer want to be in. The usual mixture of crying, clinging, sulking, overbombing with niceness, promising to change and then finally aggression that people display when they are desperate to keep a partner who wants to leave will not work.
What you need to do is sit her down and suggest a trial separation, with regular contact between you and your DS. Be as fair and amicable as you can (though until you are working, you will not be paying maintenance obviously). Show her you have changed, have recovered or are steadily recovering from your depression by getting on with your life.
You may both decide that you want to resume your couple-relationship later, but you may well be better off building a good co-parenting relationship instead.

IAmReallyFabNow · 17/01/2011 18:37

I think she sounds quite calculating to be honest and I would start looking for somewhere to live as this relationship is going nowhere.

EricNorthmansMistress · 17/01/2011 18:55

I think this relationship sounds a bit dead in the water. Her words might be saying that she wants to try, but her actions are sayiing the complete opposite - she is also saying the opposite to her friends. I'm sorry for you, it sounds like it has been tough and unfair on you, and a shock pregnancy at her young age can't have been easy to deal with. She might be confused about what she wants at times, but she is showing you through her actions that she wants out, I think. Family is important but staying together is not always the best thing. You can still be a good dad without living with her, every other weekend and one day/night in the week seems to be a usual split and although it's not every day with him, it's enough to be an active dad.

Mouseface · 17/01/2011 18:58

"You seem to have missed the bit where I explained what happened after she left. We stayed in touch by phone, she was very teary, at one point saying to me "i've fucked everything up haven't I". She was very eager for me to go and be with her. It wasn't really a case of me talking her around."

Nope, I saw it. I'm a huge believer in the value of a stable family home too. But only if all parties concerned truly want the same thing.

Clearly, she doesn't, or isn't sure. Sad

"Our relationship status used to be on our Facebook profiles but she removed this when she originally left me and she won?t change it back, saying again she needs to see if it works out or not."

"She refuses to acknowledge our relationship......"

"I popped out to the shops one morning. I came back about an hour later to find her parents at our flat, with a removal van and her moving all her stuff out. She told me that she couldn?t bare to be in the flat any longer, that she had grown to hate the place, and that she needed to get away."

Whilst this was really shit of her just to up sticks and leave you, taking your son with her, you have to look at why she felt such an overwhelming need to leave.

Do you think that her parents have influenced her?

I see you didn't like some of the responses you got, mine included, I'd stay well away from the 'Am I Being Unreasonable' topic, if I were you. Grin

tattiemum · 17/01/2011 19:06

You've both had a lot to deal with already, haven't you? To be honest, I can see why she's wary of committing, and I can see why she might feel that her love for you has dwindled - going through an unplanned pregnancy while working and dealing with your depression must have been hellishly difficult for her.

I think a trial separation is a good idea, you could still be seeing your DS regularly and you can show her what you can offer and share together without overwhelming her. Getting over all the stress and worries you've both had so far will take time and a lot of effort.

MigratingCoconuts · 17/01/2011 19:12

Just read all of this and I say...separate to repair (I believe someone else hase said this too)

If you move out, find somewhere close, get a job and start mending yourself, you will have the space to do so.
Equally, you and she can both spend time working out what you both want without breathing down each other's neck. This might give you both perspective on what has happened.

I also wanted to add that you have both been throuh a hell of a lot in the last year!! For me, just having kids was a big enough lifestyle shift but you guys have had so much more thrown in. Added to this, she is very young and can barey know who she is yet. So please, cut yourselves some slack here.

I admire your desire to keep family, you sound to me like a decent bloke. Take time to try and mend this propery and carefully.

Hope this helps..

(ps you came to the right place, even if the respnses are not what you were hoping for)

MadameDefarge · 17/01/2011 19:24

I went for counselling after the relationship with ds dad reached a similar point. The one thing that has always stuck with me was when the counsellor said splitting doesn't have to be a big tragedy. And I think I needed to hear that quite badly. Its another path, but can be the best one.

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tammybear · 17/01/2011 20:08

I also agree with those that have said about seperating. Counselling can help both of you communicate your thoughts and feelings. But your main priority here is to build a stable relationship with your son and be a good father to him. I felt the same as you, I didn't want my DD to grow up without her father like I did, but I couldn't be in a relationship with him because it wasn't a good, working relationship. I understand how hard depression is, I've been there and going through it again, but it sounds like she has had to cope with a lot, which she may make her resent you as she's had to suffer with depression whilst having a child and working as well. I'm sorry that this is probably not what you want to hear.

Trophywifenomore · 18/01/2011 06:06

Sorry, but why is your son at nursery when you're currently not working and therefore in a position to look after him?

You did say any thoughts or advice would be appreciated... did I miss something here?

And going to pubs and clubs and generally having lots of fun 'obviously stopped' when she became pregnant... I'm glad that isn't the case for everyone!

I'm going to stop now because I'm getting wound up. Leave the poor girl to get on with her life. I'm sure you are a decent bloke but you need to sort some of your issues out first before you can expect her to want you around or to trust you to be there for her when she needs you.

After the birth 'everything got rather dull' WTF? You had a gorgeous son to delight in and share the care for. It's called early parenthood. It's amazing and exhausting in equal measure and a massive strain on any relationship to boot, I have never heard it describe as DULL. Maybe it just wasn't what you wanted?!

MrGa · 18/01/2011 09:37

Sorry, but why is your son at nursery when you're currently not working and therefore in a position to look after him?

I have suggested this to her but as she knows I'm looking for work, she doesn't want to withdraw him from nursery and risk him not getting his place back once I find a job. He's in a very good, in-demand nursery.

And going to pubs and clubs and generally having lots of fun 'obviously stopped' when she became pregnant... I'm glad that isn't the case for everyone!

You may think it's a good idea for pregnant women to go out pubbing and clubbing, we both thought otherwise.

You seem pretty angry about a stranger asking for advice in trying to keep his family together. Pretty strange thing to get wound up about.

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loopylou6 · 18/01/2011 09:59

Well I think her treatment of you is shocking. How dare she just up and leave with your child without even telling you, hugely disrespectful. Like it or not tho, you do need to move out, if she is going to come back to you it'll be because she wants too, not because you are pressuring her. Maybe she needs time to realise what life without you is like, it may work in your favour, it may not - either way back off for now, she will be feeling smothered.

tattiemum · 18/01/2011 10:07

Trophywifenomore makes a good point though about your partner's resentment. You've both gone through depression, but while coping with hers (and yours) she's also had to work full time and look after a child, and she's only 21 - I think she's done bloody well!

I can fully understand why she would feel resentful and wary towards committing to you - you're older, you're the father who should traditionally be the bread-winner and supporter, and instead she's still having to work and child-rear even with you living there.

Have you acknowledged to her that you understand how much more pressure she has put up with than you have? You had the luxury of barely leaving your bed while in the worst of your depression, from the sound of it she had no option but to carry on.

I really do think you'll only make things better by giving her the space she needs but also offering practical help and support to show your commitment. If you don't get the job you've applied for, I think you should go out and get any job, and prove to her that you'll do what it takes.

MrGa · 18/01/2011 10:21

The problem with moving out and giving her space at the moment is that because I've moved to this area with her I'm kind of stuck at the moment. Even if I get this job I've gone for (after speaking to a few people yesterday I believe it is now certain I will be getting it), it is very low-paid so would take me a few months to save the money to get my own place. My only other option would be to turn down the job and go and stay with my mother temporarily. But that would be around 250 miles away. How could I possibly have any meaningful relationship with my son in those circumstances?

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