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My mother and my wedding

17 replies

foxtrottango · 09/01/2011 02:29

My mother and father split up 25 years ago and have never had a good word to say about each other since. I was brought up by my mother who was a bit neglectful and treated me as an inconvenience. She now whinges that Im not close to her, the thing is, when I was younger (and so was she) she was always after a boyfriend. Now she doesnt want the boyfriend she has so seems to think its my job to make up the deficit by keeping her company. My attitude is that she didnt want me around when I was a child so you reap what you sow IYSWIM. I live on the other side of the country (no coincidence!). She kept me from seeing my dad for many years, for no reason other than to get to him. If she got annoyed with him she would also stop me from seeing his parents who I loved dearly. If however she wanted to go away with a new man for up to a month at a time she would leave me with anyone who would take me (but not my GPs as she wouldnt give them the satisfaction). I am very bitter towards my mother as she did not protect me or do very basic things I would expect to do for my own children. This is turning into a rant against my mother but thats not why Im posting!!!

I rebuilt a relationship with my dad and we were very close. I always said I would never get married and that even if I did I accepted that I would have to marry in another country to prevent my parents from attending. I couldnt trust them to behave if they were ever in the same place! I also didnt want children as I didnt want her anywhere near them, it is only that I have met a man I love so much that I am able to start putting these feelings aside.

2 years ago my dad died suddenly. My mother couldnt even bite her tongue when I told her he was dead.

In October my boyfriend proposed. As soon as he did my mother was constantly asking me when it was going to be and where etc. Saying she wanted to make plans with me. I initially told her I hadnt made any plans yet and changed the subject. The more I think about it though, the more sure I am that I dont want her there. This is partly because of the way she treated me and I have never wanted her at my wedding. She now seems to think that as my dad is dead then by default she gets to attend my wedding. This is irritating but I think it is getting to me more as I feel she is 'benefitting' so to speak from my dad dying. I just feel that she wouldnt be able to attend if my dad was alive so why should she because he isnt. If she could be trusted to put her feelings aside in favour of mine for once I would have plausibly been able to have them both there!

I know that I need to make the wedding my special day and do what I want but she is so good at emotional blackmail.

I dont know if Im still grieving for my dad and this is affecting my feelings or if my reasons for not wanting her there are valid.

Sorry about the epic post, it was going to be a quick, should I invite her but I thought Id better give the background!

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Tortington · 09/01/2011 02:36

i dont think you can retain a relationship with her - however strained and not invite her to the wedding.

so either

quit contact with her if she is the detestable person you say she is.

or

plan your wedding. the way you like and send her an invite along with everyone else.

lets face it, if you don't invite her to your wedding, she probably wn't talk to you anyway

foxtrottango · 09/01/2011 02:42

If I dont invite her then I think it will just be a very quiet thing, literally just me and him and probably abroad. Both myself and DP are happy for it just to be each other and I really dont like being centre of attention about anything. Would rather it was quiet. I didnt know whether a compromise would be to not have her at the wedding but let her arrange a party or something in my home town afterwards. The only problem there would be that I dont know anyone there anymore!! It would be a very quiet party :). However Im not keen on parties and it would be away from all our friends (DP is from the region I live now)

I have tried to cut her out of my life before, her solution was to write a letter to my ex partner telling him what an awful person I was :(. Luckily he knew me a bit better than her and didnt believe her :). Unfortunately even though I am a grown woman there is still a very large element of fear there. Im terrified of her, pathetic, I know :(

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foxtrottango · 09/01/2011 02:55

Thank you MDS and Custardo. Its nice to get replies at this time of the morning!!

I think the fact that the anniversary of his death is coming up might be unsettling me and making me more resentful towards her. I let her get to me far too much.

Mother wranglers sound like a good idea though, my DPs mother and her do get on reasonably well so hopefully they could occupy each other!

The tips for what to say to her when she asks are also helpful, I get so tongue tied that I tend to just let myself get dragged in without putting my foot down and saying something.

Oh for enough money to jet off somewhere beautiful for a month and pretend its not all happening :)

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kickassangel · 09/01/2011 03:06

i think that you should wait until after the anniversary of your father's death before making any plans.

there are various ways to deal with this, and you may feel clearer about what you want when you have dealt with that, and given yourself some time to grieve & recover. then focus on how you want the start of your married life to be.

would you get away with a 'secret' wedding, but have family at a restaurant (just tell them you're getting together for a meal) & turn up & tell them this is your wedding 'reception'? some sort of compromise might work.

i sympathise - dh's mum wasn't much interested in him when he was young; as she's got older & realises that a lonely widowhood is fairly close, she wants more from him & us. she was also quite controlling. neither he, nor I, nor his disinherited stepsister dare to ever upset her.

our solution was emigrating, but i appreciate not everyone wants to be that desperate.

wannaBe · 09/01/2011 07:03

As you've said you're open to the idea of getting married abroad I would be tempted to do that.

You can get away with not inviting her on the basis that you're not inviting anyone and therefore it's not a deliberate exclusion of her.

handsoffmycake · 09/01/2011 07:13

Dont invite her. A wedding is not about family IMO its about the two people actually getting married.

Your Mum will just have to lump it. Dont be bullied by her just tell her that its YOUR day and you are having it the way you want.

My Mum was a pain just before my wedding, I had invited her first (before telling anyone else) and I told her that I wasnt sure who else I was inviting (wasnt sure if I was even inviting my Dad) even though I get on better with my Dad he lived very far away and ill health. My Mum then phoned my Dad and told him I was getting married and he wasnt invited and how terrible she thought this was.

Argh.

My Dad didnt give two hoots. As it was MY day.

I used to be very concerned about what my Mum thought and now I dont care. Its not easy to be like this but sometimes its the only way.

Congrats and enjoy your wedding!

Longtalljosie · 09/01/2011 07:26

What about your DP's family though? How would they feel if they weren't invited? How does your DP feel about a do so quiet they may not be there?

diddl · 09/01/2011 08:08

I wouldn´t invite her.

She doesn´t deserve to be there on your special day.

LBsmum · 09/01/2011 08:29

I don't know if you have done this already but you should consider having a getting it out in the open talk

This isnt about your wedding it's about years of upset and resentment coming to a head. If you can be bold enough to marry without inviting your mother you should try and summon the strength to sit down with her and tell her why, how she made you feel as a child, how she kept you from knowing your father and how she has behaved so cruelly to you after his death.

I don't know about clearing the air, you may find through this discussion that you release some of the resentments you are burdoned with and may even gain some insight into why she has behaved like this towards you.

If you manage to do this you may find the descision to invite her or not much easier

spidookly · 09/01/2011 08:39

Do you really want this woman in your life?

I think if you get married abroad, just the two of you, you could maintain a relationship (with someone normal).

If that's what you fancy, do it.

But really, she sounds so toxic. What does she bring to your life that is positive?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/01/2011 08:53

I don't think your mother for one minute would listen to any reasoned argument you put to her. She will turn it all around and blame you or your late Dad. She will continue to deny, not apologise for her behaviours and blame everyone except her own self for her problems.

You are under no obligation to this woman now; she does not deserve anything from you after treating you so poorly as a child.
All her actions were and are those of a toxic parent.

Like many children of such toxic people you are trapped in the FOG - these are fear (you mention this), obligation, guilt. I don't think you are at all pathetic for feeling fear towards her; many women on the "Stately Homes" thread on these pages have also felt the same way towards their parents (you may want to post on that thread too).

I would get married abroad and have a reception in your own hometown on your return. Do not involve your mother in any aspect of your wedding or your life as of now; she gave up on you a long time ago and failed you abjectly and she continues to do so. She continues to want to put her own self first.

Goodness only knows what her own parents were like to make her that way.

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 09/01/2011 09:03

I agree completelywith Attila. We got married abroad due to the complications of toxic family.

I would recommend it. If DPs family know the whole situation on your side then they will understand surely?

I also believe your mother would be in complete denial, so it is wasted effort on your part, and you shouldn't feel guilted into anything you don't want to do, or pay for by anyone frankly.

The people who love you will understand, any one else isn't worth wasting your breath on.

VagosaurusRex · 09/01/2011 10:50

I'd get married abroad and tell her about the marriage afterwards. This is about you, not her, and if you have a wedding just to please her, chances are she'll find something to ruin it for you anyway. You don't owe her anything, nor should you feel guilty about it.

Also, if she were to come to your wedding, to be a witness to this new chapter of your life, might she also feel herself entitled to other milestones? Might she want to be there when you give birth for example? Best to nip it in the bud I think, and make sure she is aware of her position.

Nanny0gg · 09/01/2011 14:51

You know that if you give her the chance she will 'move in' and start dictating how your wedding should be.
Decide between you and your OH what sort of wedding you really want and who you really want to be there and go for it. Whether it's in this country or abroad and whether you have family there or not.
But I guarantee if you leave the door open a crack she will be in. And if she isn't involved in the preparations but you do still invite her, she'll do her best to ruin it.

foxtrottango · 09/01/2011 15:10

Thank you everyone for your replies. They have been so helpful in seeing things clearly. You are all right, its my day and I dont owe her anything. Sometimes you just have to see something to believe it. I cant discuss this with anyone in RL apart from my DP and he just wants to make me happy :)

My DP is happy with a quiet do. He has always held the view that a wedding is between 2 people and is quite happy to do it very privately. He is like me and only has a very small family and if he explained our reasoning they would understand.

Vagosaurus Rex - I think you have hit the nail on the head. I have tried to exclude her from my life for so long. If she gets involved in this she will want to be involved in everything. Shes already banging on about grandchildren. The thought of her around children leaves me cold and the thought of her at any birth makes me feel physically sick!

I would love to cut her out of my life entirely but I dont think Im brave enough.

I think I will give the stately homes thing a look.

Thank you all again for the wise (and kind) words.

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CarGirl · 09/01/2011 15:16

Def go abroad just the 2 of you if that's something you would like to do. If you would like to have a party for friends and family then do that as well but you organise it where and how you want and send her an invite along with everyone else.

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